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I guess I didn't need to see that. But it does not change my opinion that Jansen is no longer playing at a starter level. He may still be affective in the run game but is a major liabilty on passing downs. This game tape is going to cause a severe diet of pressure coupled with the fact that Jason still holds onto the ball way too long.

I'm with Jake - I'll take good games, one at a time.

Oh . . .

You guys are wimps.

watch at your own discretion.

OUCH

NC43Hog wrote:I'm with Jake - I'll take good games, one at a time.

Oh . . .

You guys are wimps.

watch at your own discretion.

OUCH

I was 9 when that happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday.

That being said, I think Jansen will be alright. He's taken like 25 snaps since he took the above pictured SNAP. Not enough to shake off the rust and get full confidence in that ankle.

JansenFan wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:I'm with Jake - I'll take good games, one at a time.

Oh . . .

You guys are wimps.

watch at your own discretion.

OUCH

I was 9 when that happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday.

That being said, I think Jansen will be alright. He's taken like 25 snaps since he took the above pictured SNAP. Not enough to shake off the rust and get full confidence in that ankle.

Even if he's past his prime, I don't think we have another tackle that can do it better, so for the time being, we're stuck with what we have. I don't think Heyer or Rinehardt can take his place just yet.

skinsrule84 wrote:So I was watching Redskins Nation a few days ago on Comcast Sports Net and Jon Jansen was in the booth with Larry Michael. So Michael asks him how he feels and what stage of his career he thinks he's in and I was pretty shocked to hear that Jansen thinks he's still in his prime and he has 6-7 great years left in him. What do you guys think about this...? I love Jansen but I think that was a really bold statement..

I think that was a ridiculously positive statement that sounds positively ridiculous. I think Jon Jansen is staying as positive as anyone could stay after not one, but two different serious injuries. I think 32 is "in his prime" but 36 is past any tackle's prime.

I think that the longest playing linemen were centers, not tackles. Jackie Slater played 20 seasons, I believe, but he is certainly the exception, not the rule. Other than Slater, Mike Webster and Jeff Van Note come to mind as linemen who played for a very long time. Those are the only three that are really jumping out. Even Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, and Jonathon Ogden, three of the best to ever play the tackle position didn't play until they were 40. There may be some names escaping me right now, but any tackle playing to the age of 39 or 40 is uncommon.

As far as the most recent game, Jansen was playing with a sprained foot and very little full contact practice since his return. I think #76 will be fine this season. It's the blind side protection breakdowns that have me concerned, not Jon Jansen.

GSPODS wrote:I think that was a ridiculously positive statement that sounds positively ridiculous. I think Jon Jansen is staying as positive as anyone could stay after not one, but two different serious injuries. I think 32 is "in his prime" but 36 is past any tackle's prime.

I think that the longest playing linemen were centers, not tackles. Jackie Slater played 20 seasons, I believe, but he is certainly the exception, not the rule. Other than Slater, Mike Webster and Jeff Van Note come to mind as linemen who played for a very long time. Those are the only three that are really jumping out. Even Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, and Jonathon Ogden, three of the best to ever play the tackle position didn't play until they were 40. There may be some names escaping me right now, but any tackle playing to the age of 39 or 40 is uncommon.

As far as the most recent game, Jansen was playing with a sprained foot and very little full contact practice since his return. I think #76 will be fine this season. It's the blind side protection breakdowns that have me concerned, not Jon Jansen.

I don't disagree with the sentiment of your post at all, but I wanted to add Ray Brown to a list of people that 'did do it'.

Let's get a season out of JJ before we worry about 6 or 7 - it's a long road back from the injuries that he has suffered, and while he is very much a warrior, his attitude isn't what is in question here, it's his ability to stay physically healthy. It's HIGHLY optimistic IMO to think that JJ will play until he's 40.

I don't know why it's a 'ridiculous' statement though, what do you expect him to say? "I'm hoping I get through a season..." ??

BossHog wrote:

GSPODS wrote:I think that was a ridiculously positive statement that sounds positively ridiculous. I think Jon Jansen is staying as positive as anyone could stay after not one, but two different serious injuries. I think 32 is "in his prime" but 36 is past any tackle's prime.

I think that the longest playing linemen were centers, not tackles. Jackie Slater played 20 seasons, I believe, but he is certainly the exception, not the rule. Other than Slater, Mike Webster and Jeff Van Note come to mind as linemen who played for a very long time. Those are the only three that are really jumping out. Even Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, and Jonathon Ogden, three of the best to ever play the tackle position didn't play until they were 40. There may be some names escaping me right now, but any tackle playing to the age of 39 or 40 is uncommon.

As far as the most recent game, Jansen was playing with a sprained foot and very little full contact practice since his return. I think #76 will be fine this season. It's the blind side protection breakdowns that have me concerned, not Jon Jansen.

I don't disagree with the sentiment of your post at all, but I wanted to add Ray Brown to a list of people that 'did do it'.

Let's get a season out of JJ before we worry about 6 or 7 - it's a long road back from the injuries that he has suffered, and while he is very much a warrior, his attitude isn't what is in question here, it's his ability to stay physically healthy. It's HIGHLY optimistic IMO to think that JJ will play until he's 40.

I don't know why it's a 'ridiculous' statement though, what do you expect him to say? "I'm hoping I get through a season..." ??

Do I ever feel stupid for forgetting Ray Brown.

I probably should have explained that a little better.
I think Jon Jansen truly believes he can play another 7 seasons.
So, his statement was genuine in his eyes.
I think it's a stretch to think Jansen is actually going to play another 7 seasons, so the statement sounds ridiculous on face.
There isn't much of a calling for 40 year old tackles.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but it is the epitome of optomism.

JansenFan wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:I'm with Jake - I'll take good games, one at a time.

Oh . . .

You guys are wimps.

watch at your own discretion.

OUCH

I was 9 when that happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday.

I was more like 19 at the time, but I know exactly where I was. Jay Schroeder actually came in and brought us back and we won the game. I think he was too excited that he was getting to play to be scared, but that changed in later match-ups with New Jersey.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Jake wrote:If this preseason and ESPECIALLY tonight is an indication of the season, then I want to replace Jansen and the rest of the line with people who know how to block.

New system or not, it's almost impossible to learn how to keep your huge body in front of a d-lineman without getting thrown over every five snaps. My boy Samuels got PUNISHED.

6-7 GREAT years? How about 1 GOOD game this year?

The whole line has looked horrible this preseason, even in our first three games. They have me worried the most out of anything plauging us tonight.

You can't jsut step in from IR and perform to your normal level, it's just not going to happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. There's also a mental rehab he's got to go thru. I don't know if you recall what his ankle looked like, but that's enough to make anyone doubt themselves until they test it. Couple that with the achilles he had previously, I think the man's got the right to come back slowly. If it were that easy, they wouldn't be getting paid as much as they do and people like US would be out there.

This is not a rant blindly supporting him, but give the man time to knock the rust off. Practice is not going to get his confidence back, playing time will.

Don't really buy the excuse. Jansen did better coming off a similar injury with TWO BROKEN THUMBS. No reason he can't do just as well. We all expect good things out of him. He should be ready by now.

With all due respect, you don't stand on your thumbs.

Moving your feet is one of the most important aspects of playing RT... he can punch you in the face with four broken fingers and a broken thumb if he wants... I don't see how the two injuries are even remotely comparable.

He nearly tore his foot off for crying out loud... I think that anyone expecting JJ to EVER return to old form after that injury is 'optimistic'.

I just hope that it's healed properly and that his range of motion and strength can get back to CLOSE to what they used to be.

And Chris Samuels getting beat repeatedly by a speed rusher isn't exactly news to those WITHOUT blinders on.

Samuels has always had trouble with speed on the outside, and he's not great against the bullrush, either. Buges has improved the latter (although in the Panthers game, he was beat at least twice with a bullrush) but he's never been able to move his feet quick enough really master the outside speed rush.

For my boy Jansen, I think by mid-season, he'll be in mid-season form. I just hope its not too late by then.

He nearly tore his foot off for crying out loud... I think that anyone expecting JJ to EVER return to old form after that injury is 'optimistic'.

Consider this. Normally , when a player injures a joint, there are 1, maybe 2 ligaments involved. Jansen's injury probably involved 3 or 4 ligaments, as well as nerves, tendons, and cartilage.

It was what is considered a near catastrophic injury. That he is playing at all is incredible.

Jansen is one tough son of a gun... why would anyone write him off at this point? Those who do are nuts.

I'll play devil's advocate. Let's bench Jansen. Who replaces him? A rookie? Undrafted project named Heyer? I don't think we have anyone who can take his job.

BossHog wrote:With all due respect, you don't stand on your thumbs.

Moving your feet is one of the most important aspects of playing RT... he can punch you in the face with four broken fingers and a broken thumb if he wants... I don't see how the two injuries are even remotely comparable.

He nearly tore his foot off for crying out loud... I think that anyone expecting JJ to EVER return to old form after that injury is 'optimistic'.

I just hope that it's healed properly and that his range of motion and strength can get back to CLOSE to what they used to be.

And Chris Samuels getting beat repeatedly by a speed rusher isn't exactly news to those WITHOUT blinders on.

I brought up the thumbs because he has to use those all the time to keep defenders off of him. All the constant physicality had to take a toll on them while they were broken and he still did well.

Countertrey wrote:

He nearly tore his foot off for crying out loud... I think that anyone expecting JJ to EVER return to old form after that injury is 'optimistic'.

Consider this. Normally , when a player injures a joint, there are 1, maybe 2 ligaments involved. Jansen's injury probably involved 3 or 4 ligaments, as well as nerves, tendons, and cartilage.

It was what is considered a near catastrophic injury. That he is playing at all is incredible.

Jansen is one tough son of a gun... why would anyone write him off at this point? Those who do are nuts.

Right. If anyone can come back from such an injury, it's Jansen.

Jake wrote:

BossHog wrote:With all due respect, you don't stand on your thumbs.

Moving your feet is one of the most important aspects of playing RT... he can punch you in the face with four broken fingers and a broken thumb if he wants... I don't see how the two injuries are even remotely comparable.

He nearly tore his foot off for crying out loud... I think that anyone expecting JJ to EVER return to old form after that injury is 'optimistic'.

I just hope that it's healed properly and that his range of motion and strength can get back to CLOSE to what they used to be.

And Chris Samuels getting beat repeatedly by a speed rusher isn't exactly news to those WITHOUT blinders on.

I brought up the thumbs because he has to use those all the time to keep defenders off of him. All the constant physicality had to take a toll on them while they were broken and he still did well.

IF he can play with broken thumbs, then they aren't that crucial to him doing his job. I think the only thing it hindered was holding calls

JansenFan wrote:Samuels has always had trouble with speed on the outside, and he's not great against the bullrush, either. Buges has improved the latter (although in the Panthers game, he was beat at least twice with a bullrush) but he's never been able to move his feet quick enough really master the outside speed rush.

For my boy Jansen, I think by mid-season, he'll be in mid-season form. I just hope its not too late by then.

I dunno... he has 5 used plane tickets to Honolulu that might refute that statement. I grant you he when he does get beat it is usually to the outside, but he's very good against the inside twist or a bullrush.

I also think Samuels gets a bum rap by fans. He may not truly be a great LT (and I don't think he deserves having 5 pro bowls, more than say, either Russ Grimm or Joe Jacoby (4 each)), but he's a damn fine LT, and we will notice his absence when he retires.

BigRedskinDaddy wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Samuels has always had trouble with speed on the outside, and he's not great against the bullrush, either. Buges has improved the latter (although in the Panthers game, he was beat at least twice with a bullrush) but he's never been able to move his feet quick enough really master the outside speed rush.

For my boy Jansen, I think by mid-season, he'll be in mid-season form. I just hope its not too late by then.

I dunno... he has 5 used plane tickets to Honolulu that might refute that statement. I grant you he when he does get beat it is usually to the outside, but he's very good against the inside twist or a bullrush.

I never use the pro bowl as an argument, because, and this is especially true for O-linemen, its a name-recognition contest. I not trying to dog Samuels. He's been good for us. And, as I said, Buges really helped him in defending the bullrush. When he was a rookie, Bruce Smith also helped him improve in practice by bullrushing him a lot once he discovered the "weakness." He is 100 times better against it now, but every once in awhile he is suceptible.

PulpExposure wrote:I also think Samuels gets a bum rap by fans. He may not truly be a great LT (and I don't think he deserves having 5 pro bowls, more than say, either Russ Grimm or Joe Jacoby (4 each)), but he's a damn fine LT, and we will notice his absence when he retires.

Absolutely agreed, and left tackles aren't easy to come by, even with the first pick in the draft. All of the recent "Next Big Left Tackle" draft prospects have been moved to guard or right tackle.