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HanburgerHelper wrote:Thrash is a special player, multi-talented and just shows up week after week and plays hard. Not flashy, just does his job and does it well. Mistakes are rare from him and he has added value at KR if needed..

I appreciate Thrash's work ethic and character but to me, our scouting department needs to find a replacement. His skill set should be something a younger WR can come in and do. He's only had 52 catches the entire 4 years he's been here and he's over the 1million a year mark.

Not saying he shouldn't make the team, because I believe the best man wins, but he should be on the bubble. Anyhow how has he fared this preseason?

Thomas started practicing today - just hope his hamstring has totally healed. Kelly's knee is an issue, however. Is it the same knee he has scoped in college? If he stays injured for another two weeks or more, ouch. DO NOT PUT Kelly or Thomas on PS - we would lose them in a heart beat to another team as soon as the name is on the "wire".

McMullen is the best receiver of the rest, so far. I really respect what James Trash does for the team. It would be a difficult decision between the two if the team keeps only 5 WR's. If it is 6 WR's, then McMullen will be it, unless he starts to fade vs continues to improve.

Moss, REL, Thomas, Kelly, Trash, McMullen.

RULES RE: PRACTICE SQUAD:
"Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. [And the new team] it does not have to provide any sort of compensation . (From wikipedia and Seatle times article)

McMullen is the best receiver of the rest, so far. I really respect what James Trash does for the team. It would be a difficult decision between the two if the team keeps only 5 WR's. If it is 6 WR's, then McMullen will be it, unless he starts to fade vs continues to improve.

Moss, REL, Thomas, Kelly, Trash, McMullen.

I don't normally comment on grammar and spelling, but if you really RESPECT him, as you say, why would you mis-spell his name in the same manner that his "hatters" have for oh, so many years, not once, but TWICE?

Its great to read about the positive options we have this year - I like McMullen and Mix so let the best man win. Mostly, I`m delighted that we`re getting so many receivers in play this pre-season and hopefully with the WC Offense its only going to get better. Also we haven`t seen our 2nd rnd picks yet ( although memories of Taylor Jacobs give me pause for thought ) - all of our QBs have done well , (or at least ok in the case of Todd Collins). I`m going to put my hand up as being impressed with Colt Brennan in the H of F game - he showed a spark that can`t be coached, you`ve either got it or not - he has! His College numbers are awesome - 6th rounder - have it!!

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:mcmullen is looking good but he is no james thrash

Thrash won't get any better, he's on the downside of his career. McMullen is 5 years younger than him. With practice, he can still peak from where he is today.

Thrash has been on the downside of his career for 5 seasons. His last good season as a receiver was in 2002. In four years here he has just over 50 catches and 3 td's. He's a great special teams player and he works super hard but it's a testament to our injuries and lack of proven talent that he is even in the mix for serious playing time.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=37725

One veteran wide receiver who appears to have really impressed Zorn is James Thrash, the 12-year veteran.

Thrash, a consummate pro, has been a key backup and special teams player the last four years with the Redskins.

It's easy to forget that Thrash was a three-year starter in Philadelphia from 2001-03 and caught 164 passes for 2,026 yards and 15 touchdowns in that span.

On Wednesday, Zorn went so far as to say that Thrash had already earned a roster spot with his hard work in camp.

"The very first day I watched him, I knew," Zorn said. "It didn't matter what we had with the rookies, [Thrash] was going to play because he was ready. He really took to how we were running the offense. He can play all three positions. He can play at a high speed. He brings real veteran approach.

"My hope is that the younger guys will actually hang around him and his approach will rub off on them."

I really think Zorn has made up his mind on this. The only question is the 6th WR (If we carry 6)

It's easy to forget that Thrash was a three-year starter in Philadelphia from 2001-03 and caught 164 passes for 2,026 yards and 15 touchdowns in that span.

It's easy to forget because it was five years ago. That is an eternity in the world of the NFL. Most players aren't even around long enough to have five years of non-production. The problem is, and this has been beaten like a drum in other threads, is that the Redskins have an extremely weak veteran wide receiving corps. The combination of Moss and Randle El strikes fear into the hearts of no one. Thrash doesn't up the fear factor. The Redskins receiving corps is overall awful. A change of scheme could improve that. But more than likely, a change in personnel is also needed. Santana Moss is a #2. Thrash is maybe a #3 but more likely a #4 or #5. If he catches 50 or more receptions this season, I'll fly to D.C. to personally apologize and post the video on THN. I think the reality is that Jim Zorn just doesn't have any more appealing options. Any options that might have existed came and went with the signing of Jason Taylor. Cap Space is now as much of an issue as available upgrades.

If you think Thrash has spent five years producing nothing, you don't watch the team very closely.

When Thrash steped in, in the eagles game last year, he did better than either of our starters did most of the season.

Fios wrote:If you think Thrash has spent five years producing nothing, you don't watch the team very closely.

We are speaking in terms of wide receiver production, are we not?
That is my understanding. Thrash is likely to be the Redskins 3rd wide receiver. He hasn't done anything as a wide receiver in five years. People keep acting like special teams play means something to being a qualified wide receiver. It doesn't. Work ethic only goes so far. The Redskins need qualified and bona fide wide receivers. They have one. His name isn't James Thrash.

BnGhog wrote:When Thrash steped in, in the eagles game last year, he did better than either of our starters did most of the season.

Agreed. He's been a demon on returns and coverage for special teams and he's been reliable depth at wide receiver. You've obviously paid more attention then some who's knowledge of the Skins seems to be the headline article on the Washington post who have no idea how valuable Thrash has been to this team.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

BnGhog wrote:When Thrash steped in, in the eagles game last year, he did better than either of our starters did most of the season.

Agreed. He's been a demon on returns and coverage for special teams and he's been reliable depth at wide receiver. You've obviously paid more attention then some who's knowledge of the Skins seems to be the headline article on the Washington post who have no idea how valuable Thrash has been to this team.

Thrash caught 9 balls for 107 yards last season.
OK. He outplayed Brandon Lloyd as a wide receiver. Who didn't?
Again, who gives a damn about his special teams production?
The Redskins need talent at the wide receiver position.
This is the same group that sucked hind tit for nine weeks last season behind dropped passes and a lack of receiving touchdowns.

There are some extremely delusional people who seem to think that a change of scheme alone is going to change the production. It isn't. The Redskins passing game is going to suck unless they get production from someone not named, Moss, Randle El, or Thrash. At some point Moss and Randle El will both go down. Maybe separately and maybe together. Either way, the Redskins had better hope that Thomas and Kelly are everything they hoped for and a bag of chips. I'll be the first one laughing when James Thrash is the #1 or #2 wide receiver for an extended period of time.

Special teams. You people have got to be kidding. The #3 receiver only caught 9 balls last year but he's great at special teams.
If that's the philosophy at Redskins Park, this team won't win eight games.

The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

... fine, we get it, the receiving corps is awful and an improved Jason Campbell and a more passing-oriented offense will have zero impact on that.

GSPODS wrote:Thrash caught 9 balls for 107 yards last season.
OK. He outplayed Brandon Lloyd as a wide receiver. Who didn't?
Again, who gives a damn about his special teams production?

The coaches, the players, most fans, most analysts. . .

The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

I think two things: one, it's nice that we have reserve players who can step up when needed. Two, that some people are reading way too much into far too little.

GSPODS wrote:The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

It doesn't say anything about the receiving corps.

Irn-Bru wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Thrash caught 9 balls for 107 yards last season.
OK. He outplayed Brandon Lloyd as a wide receiver. Who didn't?
Again, who gives a damn about his special teams production?

The coaches, the players, most fans, most analysts. . .

The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

I think two things: one, it's nice that we have reserve players who can step up when needed. Two, that some people are reading way too much into far too little.

What this tells me is that Thomas and Kelly are going to spend more time on the bench than in the games. That is not what I wanted to see or hear. The Redskins need their draft picks to learn on the fly. If that means benching veterans and suffering for a season, then so be it. They don't have an indefinite amount of time to improve their offense while the rest of the league, including the stinking Arizona Cardinals, develop multiple 80, 90, and 100+ catch receivers. The Redskins better find out what they have now so they know whether or not they need to trade or draft for more receivers. The other side of the coin is: Supposing James Thrash catches 60 balls this season. That will mean at least two years of Thrash starting, keeping someone else from developing. Either way, it's a damn foolish thing to do, in my opinion.

I don't recall suggesting the Redskins cut Thrash. He simply isn't the best option as the third wide receiver.

GSPODS wrote:

The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

I think two things: one, it's nice that we have reserve players who can step up when needed. Two, that some people are reading way too much into far too little.

What this tells me is that Thomas and Kelly are going to spend more time on the bench than in the games. That is not what I wanted to see or hear.

How in the world did you get that out of what I said?

It's also worth nothing that injuries and their own (and admitted) lack of preparedness to play at the NFL level are holding Thomas and Kelly back.

Irn-Bru wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

The fact that Thrash did better than Moss and Randle El in one game last season actually scares the hell out of me more than it impresses me. What does that say about the entire Redskins receiving corps?

I think two things: one, it's nice that we have reserve players who can step up when needed. Two, that some people are reading way too much into far too little.

What this tells me is that Thomas and Kelly are going to spend more time on the bench than in the games. That is not what I wanted to see or hear.

How in the world did you get that out of what I said?

I believe he's saying that, because Zorn likes Thrash and has been dogging the rookies, the rookies won't see much playing time, and that's a bad omen for the team.

Well, that is a completely different conversation / argument. He had asked, and I answered, who cares about Thrash's special teams work and what it means that he had a good game against Philly last year.

Fios wrote:It's also worth nothing that injuries and their own (and admitted) lack of preparedness to play at the NFL level are holding Thomas and Kelly back.

True on both counts. But the Redskins did spend one-half of their draft addressing the wide receiver position. It wasn't because they didn't have other needs. And if all they had wanted was a possession receiver, Malcolm Kelly was their pick. They also drafted a speed receiver, even before the possession receiver. Doesn't that say that the Redskins thought their receiving corps from last season was sub-par? You don't build for the future by drafting two wide receivers and a tight end who used to be a wide receiver and could be one again, if necessary, with your first three draft picks. That is building for the present.

I'm not against James Thrash, although people seem to be getting that impression. What I am, is trying to figure out exactly what the Redskins are doing. Drafting for the present but grooming for the future can't be it.
Or can it? And why would any team do that?

GSPODS wrote:

Fios wrote:It's also worth nothing that injuries and their own (and admitted) lack of preparedness to play at the NFL level are holding Thomas and Kelly back.

True on both counts. But the Redskins did spend one-half of their draft addressing the wide receiver position. It wasn't because they didn't have other needs. And if all they had wanted was a possession receiver, Malcolm Kelly was their pick. They also drafted a speed receiver, even before the possession receiver. Doesn't that say that the Redskins thought their receiving corps from last season was sub-par? You don't build for the future by drafting two wide receivers and a tight end who used to be a wide receiver and could be one again, if necessary, with your first three draft picks. That is building for the present.

I'm not against James Thrash, although people seem to be getting that impression. What I am, is trying to figure out exactly what the Redskins are doing. Drafting for the present but grooming for the future can't be it.
Or can it? And why would any team do that?

It seems like a combination of drafting for the future and grabbing the best athletes available at the time of the pick.

Irn-Bru wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

Fios wrote:It's also worth nothing that injuries and their own (and admitted) lack of preparedness to play at the NFL level are holding Thomas and Kelly back.

True on both counts. But the Redskins did spend one-half of their draft addressing the wide receiver position. It wasn't because they didn't have other needs. And if all they had wanted was a possession receiver, Malcolm Kelly was their pick. They also drafted a speed receiver, even before the possession receiver. Doesn't that say that the Redskins thought their receiving corps from last season was sub-par? You don't build for the future by drafting two wide receivers and a tight end who used to be a wide receiver and could be one again, if necessary, with your first three draft picks. That is building for the present.

I'm not against James Thrash, although people seem to be getting that impression. What I am, is trying to figure out exactly what the Redskins are doing. Drafting for the present but grooming for the future can't be it.
Or can it? And why would any team do that?

It seems like a combination of drafting for the future and grabbing the best athletes available at the time of the pick.

It seems that way, but the future should be now. This is a team that barely made the playoffs, and went nowhere once they got there. And some would say that without a rather unfortunate tragedy, the team would not have gone that far. I wouldn't think this would be the time to be resting on one's collective laurels, but what do I know? Not much, if you ask most of the members of THN.

Note to Devin and Malcom... you are replace-able, if any team knows how to deal with out-right busts its us. Now with that said its early, too early to throw these guys away, I'll bet Devin looks impressive in NY and everything is fine. Why is it taking mkelly longer?

Irn-Bru wrote:How in the world did you get that out of what I said?

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