Defensive Ends

[yupchagee]

does anyone think erasmus james will make the roster? i hope he does, i always like him in minnesota when he was healthy. and hes playing fo rhis old DL coach

Yes. The only question is his health. He may start on PUP.

[CanesSkins26]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

Yes, the Giants used Justin Tuck very effectively as an interior lineman on passing situations. However, at 274 pounds, Tuck is bigger than every DE on our roster except Demetric Evans. At 261 pounds, James is significantly smaller than Tuck (who is a physical beast), so expecting him to be able to play on the interior, even on obvious passing situations, is somewhat of a stretch.

[VetSkinsFan]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

Yes, the Giants used Justin Tuck very effectively as an interior lineman on passing situations. However, at 274 pounds, Tuck is bigger than every DE on our roster except Demetric Evans. At 261 pounds, James is significantly smaller than Tuck (who is a physical beast), so expecting him to be able to play on the interior, even on obvious passing situations, is somewhat of a stretch.

Thank you, Canes, you beat me to it. To compare Justin Tuck to any average Joe DE is really not an even comparison.

[Countertrey]

IMO, Justin Tuck is the player who SHOULD have been the SB MVP. Several other defenders earned it before Manning as well...

be that as it may, if we enter the regular season with 3 starting quality DE's, that will really complicate life for a few quarterbacks... heh, heh, heh...

[VetSkinsFan]

IMO, Justin Tuck is the player who SHOULD have been the SB MVP. Several other defenders earned it before Manning as well...

be that as it may, if we enter the regular season with 3 starting quality DE's, that will really complicate life for a few quarterbacks... heh, heh, heh...

Yessir!


After rereading this thread, I want to clarify (or tap dance a little). I'm not opposed to having a little trickery with 3 DEs. I just don't want have tricks involved in a regular game plan and falter. I'm open for a little trickery every game; keeps the opposition guessing. I think that we should have a few trick plays every week like a direct snap or reverse ARE option.

[MDSKINSFAN]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

exactly justin tuck wasnt huge but he was a great pass rusher for the giants last year especially in the super bowl

[VetSkinsFan]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

exactly justin tuck wasnt huge but he was a great pass rusher for the giants last year especially in the super bowl

Justin Tuck was huge last year, but it was a sum greater than its parts deal. Those front seven were beyond fierce and he was part of a system. Now that he's going ot be a starter, we'll know what he's made of. For our sake, I hope he's a bust, but I think he's going to be the real deal.

[MDSKINSFAN]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

exactly justin tuck wasnt huge but he was a great pass rusher for the giants last year especially in the super bowl

Justin Tuck was huge last year, but it was a sum greater than its parts deal. Those front seven were beyond fierce and he was part of a system. Now that he's going ot be a starter, we'll know what he's made of. For our sake, I hope he's a bust, but I think he's going to be the real deal.

what i meant was he wasnt huge in size. he had to rely pretty much on speed and strength. and i hope that hes a bust too but i dont think so. hopefully that line takes a whole step back this year without strahan

[Paralis]

Erasmus james made a comment when speaking to the media today about moving inside too.

Man! just imagine if that guy ever pans out, what our Dline could be like.

Hes been injury prone , but he was a first round pick, lets hope!

he's way too light to play DT...

I'm sure that they were talking about obvious passing situations where you may want to rush 3 ends. Prevent situations...

Still not seeing it. The normal use of a speed end is to hit the outside or use agility as opposed to power. I don't see any positive situation having a speed DE in as a DT in a quarter/prevent situation.

I hate to have to be the guy to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what the Giants did last year to great effect. Interior OL, generally speaking, just aren't great pass protectors, and aren't (again, generally) well-equipped to handle speed rushers. They're not quick enough in the feet or hands to deal with the stunts and twists that having extra DEs on the field makes possible, to say nothing of the zone blitz options you can open up by sending Doughty or Washington.

It's a bit premature to say whether James can do any of the things needed to be anything more than a very situational sub, but by the numbers, unless Monty or Golston show some improvement in the pass rush, or Griffin plays like it's 2004 again, it's certainly worth a shot.

Yes, the Giants used Justin Tuck very effectively as an interior lineman on passing situations. However, at 274 pounds, Tuck is bigger than every DE on our roster except Demetric Evans. At 261 pounds, James is significantly smaller than Tuck (who is a physical beast), so expecting him to be able to play on the interior, even on obvious passing situations, is somewhat of a stretch.

The Giants also used Mathias Kiwanuka as a "DT" before he was put on IR, also to solid effect. There are tradeoffs with the personnel, and you almost have to use more elaborate rushes since the benefit of having smaller personnel is lost, somewhat, when the OL can engage immediately rather than step back and pick their assignments.

But if Erasmus James is 261 and Justin Tuck is 274 (still about 10 pounds light for a prototype 4-3 LDE), we're talking a difference of less than 5% of their body weight. Coupled with James being an inch shorter than Tuck, that reduces any theoretical power gap even further. All I'm saying is there's no numerical reason why it can't be done. But if James can't consistently beat an interior OL, one on one, in the pass rush, then his value to the team is essentially nil, since I don't think anybody's looking for him to come in and be the man in run support.

If James can stay healthy, and if he lives up to any shadow of his draft potential, the coaches need to find a way to get him on the field. And although he may not be a protypically great fit at DT, the Skins are both thin enough in the secondary and at DT to make me wonder how they could field a more credible pass rush without using James inside.