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yupchagee wrote:The picks were 6th & 7th rnd. The others were rookie or street FA's. They were looking for depth, not starters.


Stuart Schweigert is not a back-up player and none of us have any idea what their intentions are.


True, I'm not a mind reader, but if you are looking for someone to start right away, you don't wait till the 6th round & then look at street free agents, we would have gone after 1 of the top free agent safeties or drafted 1 earlier.


The Skins signed Schweigert on June 2nd, long after the draft and after they had already signed a handful of free agents at that position.

Listen, I know you are a big fan of Doughty. I like the guy too. Just because they didn't draft a safety in the high rounds doesn't mean it wasn't a position of need. They just had other needs, but they still drafted two.

For now, I think there's a very good chance Doughty will be the starter, that's not the issue, with me at least. I'm simply not sold on him as a starting caliber safety. And it's my opinion, based on the number of safeties brought in this offseason, I don't think the coaches are sold either. That's my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. But other than a few nice tackles on a few running plays, Doughty has yet to show anything worthy of being a starter. I recorded games and I've seen him, numerous times, flat out burned on passing routes. That concerns me.

I hope he's improved and I hope I'm wrong. I really do. And we all know Cooley made a comment about him. But until anyone other than a teammate, including you, actually witnesses some kind of improvement on the field, some will have concerns, and those concerns are legit.


Have all the concerns you want to. All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to share them. Right now we only have 6 safeties on roster & 1 of them (Moore) has yet to step onto the field. If they are concerned, they have a strange way of showing it.
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yupchagee wrote:All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to share them.


That's where I think you and I differ. I disagree. I can't remember how many times the coaches said this offseason that safety needed to be addressed. I believe most teams carry four safeties on the 53-man roster. Landry and Doughty were the starters. Fox is a solid back-up and a major contributor on special teams.

I'm not buying that they wasted two draft picks and signed all those safeties, including a starter in Stu, to fill one back-up position. Sorry. I believe Doughty will be the starter, but I believe they were looking for better quality.
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I thought LL did better @ FS last year than he did @ SS... Of course we were spoiled having #21 back there, but LL did OK @ the playoffs.
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SKINFAN wrote:I thought LL did better @ FS last year than he did @ SS... Of course we were spoiled having #21 back there, but LL did OK @ the playoffs.


yea when i saw him at FS at the end of last year i thought almost immediately he should stay there. If you have a guy who can cover and hit, like taylor could, why not put him at FS?
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GSPODS wrote:According to Vinny Cerrato, it doesn't matter what position you're looking for, you take the best player on the board, regardless of position. I'd like to have challenged that logic. Vinny's not convincing me the Redskins would have drafted ten wide receivers, regardless of their draft board rankings.

I guess what I'm getting at is that we can't tell anything from when these players were drafted.

It's silly to go too far to one extreme or the other. Draft by the board or draft for need. The bottom line is we need depth and youth at a lot of positions, including pass catchers. I'm tired of Moss and Cooley being the only guys Jason has to throw to and realistically if one of our 3 second round picks make it to that level we drafted well. I think that's the point, draft what makes sense according to your board. He did that. Hopefully we'll get more linemen on both sides of the ball in the coming years.
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yupchagee wrote:All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to share them.


That's where I think you and I differ. I disagree. I can't remember how many times the coaches said this offseason that safety needed to be addressed. I believe most teams carry four safeties on the 53-man roster. Landry and Doughty were the starters. Fox is a solid back-up and a major contributor on special teams.

I'm not buying that they wasted two draft picks and signed all those safeties, including a starter in Stu, to fill one back-up position. Sorry. I believe Doughty will be the starter, but I believe they were looking for better quality.


Fox is a good STmer, but not a good backup at S. We usually carry 5 S on the 53 man roster, so we are looking for 2 backups. Stu was available cheap, it made sense to grab him, he provides quality depth. As I said, Moore is recovering from post draft surgery so we can't count on him for anything this yr. With Stu, we have 5 healthy S on roster & will probably keep all of them on the 53 man roster.
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yupchagee wrote:With Stu, we have 5 healthy S on roster & will probably keep all of them on the 53 man roster.


Good, we'll need em'. :wink:
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DaRealistJoka wrote:I don’t know if this is warrant for another thread but with Landry penciled in as the starting FS will there be a legitimate chance for Moore or Horton to compete with Reed for the starting SS spot? I like Reed and I believe he is a good player but I just see him as a great backup. I believe his ability is limited; he might be close to this full potential. Any information on Moore and Horton ability, can they eventually become starters?


im glad he is starting at FS, and i hear this horton works hard and hits hard so maybe he will play a little
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MDSKINSFAN wrote:
DaRealistJoka wrote:I don’t know if this is warrant for another thread but with Landry penciled in as the starting FS will there be a legitimate chance for Moore or Horton to compete with Reed for the starting SS spot? I like Reed and I believe he is a good player but I just see him as a great backup. I believe his ability is limited; he might be close to this full potential. Any information on Moore and Horton ability, can they eventually become starters?


im glad he is starting at FS, and i hear this horton works hard and hits hard so maybe he will play a little


I expect Moore to have little or no playing time since he missed m,ini camp, OTA's & at least part of training camp recovering from post draft surgery. It wouldn't surprise me if he spent the year on IR
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Reminder of why Laron Landry at free safety is a good thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU7gIwI ... gspot.com/
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yupchagee wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
yupchagee wrote:All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to share them.


That's where I think you and I differ. I disagree. I can't remember how many times the coaches said this offseason that safety needed to be addressed. I believe most teams carry four safeties on the 53-man roster. Landry and Doughty were the starters. Fox is a solid back-up and a major contributor on special teams.

I'm not buying that they wasted two draft picks and signed all those safeties, including a starter in Stu, to fill one back-up position. Sorry. I believe Doughty will be the starter, but I believe they were looking for better quality.


Fox is a good STmer, but not a good backup at S. We usually carry 5 S on the 53 man roster, so we are looking for 2 backups. Stu was available cheap, it made sense to grab him, he provides quality depth. As I said, Moore is recovering from post draft surgery so we can't count on him for anything this yr. With Stu, we have 5 healthy S on roster & will probably keep all of them on the 53 man roster.


Springs Helps Out At Safety
With LaRon Landry and rookie Kareem Moore slowed by injuries, the Redskins are in need of safety help for some 11-on-11 work during practice.
Enter Shawn Springs.

In each of the last three full-squad practices, Springs has at times played free safety, moving over from cornerback, his natural position.

Landry and Moore are not expected to play in Saturday's intra-squad scrimmage at Redskins Park, so Springs could once again be pressed into action at safety.

At one point during a Thursday practice, Springs and rookie J.T. Tryon--also a cornerback--were playing safety while Fred Smoot and Leigh Torrence were at cornerback.

In the past, Springs has discussed transitioning to safety to help prolong his NFL career.

It's something that may come up again should the Redskins suffer more injuries at the position.

Landry has a minor hamstring injury, while Moore--one of three Redskins sixth-round draft picks last April--is still recovering from off-season knee surgery.

The Redskins have veterans Reed Doughty and Stuart Schweigert competing for playing time at safety, as well as rookie seventh-round draft pick Chris Horton.
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GSPODS wrote:Reminder of why Laron Landry at free safety is a good thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU7gIwI ... gspot.com/


Landry is just so versatile and can play both positions so well. It will be interesting to see how Blache uses him this year. I agree he needs to stay primarily at free safety. But since he's so good and quick at blitzing QB's and stuffing run plays at the line of scrimmage, I wouldn't be surprised to see Blache, on occasion, put Stu at FS and let LL work some magic from the SS position. It would be cool to see.
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1niksder wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
yupchagee wrote:All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to
With LaRon Landry and rookie Kareem Moore slowed by injuries, the Redskins are in need of safety help for some 11-on-11 work during practice.
Enter Shawn Springs.

In each of the last three full-squad practices, Springs has at times played free safety, moving over from cornerback, his natural position.

Landry and Moore are not expected to play in Saturday's intra-squad scrimmage at Redskins Park, so Springs could once again be pressed into action at safety.

At one point during a Thursday practice, Springs and rookie J.T. Tryon--also a cornerback--were playing safety while Fred Smoot and Leigh Torrence were at cornerback.

In the past, Springs has discussed transitioning to safety to help prolong his NFL career.

It's something that may come up again should the Redskins suffer more injuries at the position.

Landry has a minor hamstring injury, while Moore--one of three Redskins sixth-round draft picks last April--is still recovering from off-season knee surgery.

The Redskins have veterans Reed Doughty and Stuart Schweigert competing for playing time at safety, as well as rookie seventh-round draft pick Chris Horton.


the only problem with trying the springs thing in a real game would be that we need help at corner too
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MDSKINSFAN wrote:
1niksder wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
yupchagee wrote:All I'm saying is that the coaches don't seem to
With LaRon Landry and rookie Kareem Moore slowed by injuries, the Redskins are in need of safety help for some 11-on-11 work during practice.
Enter Shawn Springs.

In each of the last three full-squad practices, Springs has at times played free safety, moving over from cornerback, his natural position.

Landry and Moore are not expected to play in Saturday's intra-squad scrimmage at Redskins Park, so Springs could once again be pressed into action at safety.

At one point during a Thursday practice, Springs and rookie J.T. Tryon--also a cornerback--were playing safety while Fred Smoot and Leigh Torrence were at cornerback.

In the past, Springs has discussed transitioning to safety to help prolong his NFL career.

It's something that may come up again should the Redskins suffer more injuries at the position.

Landry has a minor hamstring injury, while Moore--one of three Redskins sixth-round draft picks last April--is still recovering from off-season knee surgery.

The Redskins have veterans Reed Doughty and Stuart Schweigert competing for playing time at safety, as well as rookie seventh-round draft pick Chris Horton.


the only problem with trying the springs thing in a real game would be that we need help at corner too


I'm surprised we haven't brought in more safeties. Like I said above, we entered camp with only 5 healthy safeties. That's not enough at this point in the season.
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