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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:31 pm
by Sir_Monk
I think the Skins are just an easy pick in this kind of situation. based on Snyder and Co's track record it makes sense. However, most NFL media types are to lazy to examine the Skins free agency moves in the last two off seasons to see that the Skins are no longer a blank check for over the hill free agents.

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:35 pm
by GSPODS
Sir_Monk wrote:I think the Skins are just an easy pick in this kind of situation. based on Snyder and Co's track record it makes sense. However, most NFL media types are to lazy to examine the Skins free agency moves in the last two off seasons to see that the Skins are no longer a blank check for over the hill free agents.


I hope it's nothing more than another erroneous report by our "friends" at ESPN. Favre alone will not guarantee anything other than a few veterans being cut for cap space to sign him.

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:44 pm
by Sir_Monk
I hope it's nothing more than another erroneous report by our "friends" at ESPN. Favre alone will not guarantee anything other than a few veterans being cut for cap space to sign him.


I just don't see how bringing in a QB who has one maybe two years left benefits us? and if Snyder and CO have learned anything over the last 9 years I hope they see that as well.

I could see Favre helping someone like the Vikings or the Bears, maybe the Jets? If he comes out for one last go around he is only doing it with a team he thinks can win a title.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:43 am
by Irn-Bru
The best part about all of this is that they'll add him to Madden 09, with a rating of like 97.


Edit: or, wait, wasn't he a free agent in the game already?

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:11 am
by VetSkinsFan
Irn-Bru wrote:The best part about all of this is that they'll add him to Madden 09, with a rating of like 97.


Edit: or, wait, wasn't he a free agent in the game already?



And retire after 1 season :roll:

Can't you download updated rosters in Madden?

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:26 pm
by Countertrey
I could see Favre helping someone like the Vikings or the Bears


There is no chance in Hades that GB let's Favre go to Minnesota or to the Bears.

If Zorn wanted an over the hill, tough as nails, blood and guts, "outside the box" type QB to lead his team...






He'd do it himself.

Peter King is at it again...

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:54 pm
by spudstr04
SI.com's Peter King says his money is on Brett Favre being in Tampa Bay Bucs training camp at some point this summer.

King doesn't expect Favre being at Packers camp in two weeks, even if Favre still hasn't been traded. King believes Favre's ideal destination is Minnesota, but getting there would require Green Bay releasing Favre, which is highly unlikely. King calls the Redskins and Ravens other possibilities.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/13/mmqb/index.html

I CANNOT believe that he would even throw the Redskins name in that pot. We have our QB of the future and a pretty good back-up QB and a rookie in Colt Brennan that just signed today. Man do I hate Peter King.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:27 pm
by fleetus
It is just blind speculation. He is looking at the league for a few basic things to make a Favre deal a possibility.

1) The lack of an established Pro Bowl level QB (like Favre)
2) the cap room to fit Favre's contract
3) a team good enough to entice Favre to return
4) a connection to the West Coast offense Favre has used his whole career since starting out with Holmgren

So the Redskins meet most of that criteria, plus Danny boy still has a reputation for swinging deals for big name players and that rep will not go away any time soon.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:11 pm
by CooleyAsIce
They have a ton of time and money invested in Campbell, and they just gave Todd Collins 9 million. No way Favre comes to DC.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:44 pm
by yupchagee
Countertrey wrote:
I could see Favre helping someone like the Vikings or the Bears


There is no chance in Hades that GB let's Favre go to Minnesota or to the Bears.

If Zorn wanted an over the hill, tough as nails, blood and guts, "outside the box" type QB to lead his team...






He'd do it himself.


The only way Favre goes to the Bears or Vikes is if he is traded to another team who then trades him to a division rival.

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:45 pm
by riggofan
Here's some more recent speculation today on Favre to the Redskins:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/ ... -redskins/

A reader tells us that WFAN’s Mike Francesa said earlier this afternoon that the Packers could be trading quarterback Brett Favre to the Carolina Panthers or the Washington Redskins for a conditional first-round draft pick.

The problem in that regard is that the Panthers don’t own a first-rounder in 2009; they traded it to the Eagles. But maybe the Packers would settle for the equivalent of a round-one selection under the points chart that teams use to value draft picks.

We’d previously heard that Favre’s agent, Bus Cook, had been saying privately that Favre wants to play for the Panthers. We hadn’t previously considered the Redskins, but the light bulb finally flickered during a Tuesday afternoon radio visit with Big O & Dukes of WJFK in D.C.

Jim Zorn is the new coach of the Redskins, and he’ll be using a version of the West Coast offense. Favre has been running the West Coast offense for his entire career.

Also, Redskins owner Dan Snyder has a history of targeting big-name players, and of giving up draft picks to get them. Given that franchise quarterbacks rarely if ever are available via trade or otherwise, perhaps Snyder and the ‘Skins won’t be able to resist.


That's a cool website btw if you like listening for rumors and hearsay all season long. I know I do.

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:49 pm
by riggofan
You know the more I think about this, the more I can see it happening. You guys have all posted all of these very sound, logical reasons why it won't or shouldn't happen.

But I can still Snyder doing it, because Brett Favre in burgundy and gold this season would generate tons of interest, publicity and cash. Maybe even more than the return of Joe Gibbs did. I think that trumps all football reasoning.

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:40 am
by aswas71788
Anytime there is an over-the-hill, disgrunted player, their agent privately suggests, anonimous of course, that the Redskins are knocking on his door. Granted, that is a reputation that the Redskins earned a few years ago.

Do you really want an egomaniac like Bret Favre? Look what he has put Green Bay through with his waffling. Every year it is the I'm going to retire, I'm not going to retire, well maybe I'm going to retire, well maybe not, oh I called a news conference and then asked the media why they came, and oh yea, just because I said I was going to unretire and you make special arrangements to fly to Mississippi to seal the deal, it is OK that I called a few minutes before you were to leave and told you to forget it, you don't appreciate me, I feel unloved, I have no obligation to mentor Rogers (<- he said that in a news conference 3 years ago), wah, wah, wah, whine, whine, whine, etc., etc., etc."

Favre has nothing to offer the Redskins. Even if he did, what do you think is going to happen? Zorn says to Jason Campbell ... you are the starting quarterback. Oh, I lied, Bret Favre is now the starting quarterback you will learn so much sitting on the bench and carrying the clip board. Gee, maybe we can get Mark Brunell again and he can be the starting quarterback. He was such a gem here last time. Patrick Ramsey is available somewhere or Gus Frerotte. Wonder if we can get Theismann to come back. You know Jason, we got Sonny to come back. He is an experienced NFL quarterback but we want you to know that you are our quarterback of the future. Yes, real confidence builder for Campbell. Zorn does not strike me as that type of coach.

Do you honestly think that Green Bay would not take Favre back if they thought his interest was genuine? I am sure that Rogers would understand better than Campbell would being displaced.

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:09 pm
by El Mexican
aswas71788 wrote:Anytime there is an over-the-hill, disgrunted player, their agent privately suggests, anonimous of course, that the Redskins are knocking on his door. Granted, that is a reputation that the Redskins earned a few years ago.

Do you really want an egomaniac like Bret Favre? Look what he has put Green Bay through with his waffling. Every year it is the I'm going to retire, I'm not going to retire, well maybe I'm going to retire, well maybe not, oh I called a news conference and then asked the media why they came, and oh yea, just because I said I was going to unretire and you make special arrangements to fly to Mississippi to seal the deal, it is OK that I called a few minutes before you were to leave and told you to forget it, you don't appreciate me, I feel unloved, I have no obligation to mentor Rogers (<- he said that in a news conference 3 years ago), wah, wah, wah, whine, whine, whine, etc., etc., etc."

Favre has nothing to offer the Redskins. Even if he did, what do you think is going to happen? Zorn says to Jason Campbell ... you are the starting quarterback. Oh, I lied, Bret Favre is now the starting quarterback you will learn so much sitting on the bench and carrying the clip board. Gee, maybe we can get Mark Brunell again and he can be the starting quarterback. He was such a gem here last time. Patrick Ramsey is available somewhere or Gus Frerotte. Wonder if we can get Theismann to come back. You know Jason, we got Sonny to come back. He is an experienced NFL quarterback but we want you to know that you are our quarterback of the future. Yes, real confidence builder for Campbell. Zorn does not strike me as that type of coach.

Do you honestly think that Green Bay would not take Favre back if they thought his interest was genuine? I am sure that Rogers would understand better than Campbell would being displaced.
This subject stems from one simple question that we have been discussing for a while now: can JC handle de West Coast Offense???

Right now I think you have to give the benefit of the doubt that Favre would manage it better than JC. It´s safe to assume that Snyder is al least considering the posibility.

And one other thing: of course Zorn said that JC would be the starter at QB some month´s ago. He did not even know that Favre would be returning to football!

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:10 pm
by El Mexican
Post uploaded twice.

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:25 pm
by Countertrey
El Mexican wrote:
aswas71788 wrote:Anytime there is an over-the-hill, disgrunted player, their agent privately suggests, anonimous of course, that the Redskins are knocking on his door. Granted, that is a reputation that the Redskins earned a few years ago.

Do you really want an egomaniac like Bret Favre? Look what he has put Green Bay through with his waffling. Every year it is the I'm going to retire, I'm not going to retire, well maybe I'm going to retire, well maybe not, oh I called a news conference and then asked the media why they came, and oh yea, just because I said I was going to unretire and you make special arrangements to fly to Mississippi to seal the deal, it is OK that I called a few minutes before you were to leave and told you to forget it, you don't appreciate me, I feel unloved, I have no obligation to mentor Rogers (<- he said that in a news conference 3 years ago), wah, wah, wah, whine, whine, whine, etc., etc., etc."

Favre has nothing to offer the Redskins. Even if he did, what do you think is going to happen? Zorn says to Jason Campbell ... you are the starting quarterback. Oh, I lied, Bret Favre is now the starting quarterback you will learn so much sitting on the bench and carrying the clip board. Gee, maybe we can get Mark Brunell again and he can be the starting quarterback. He was such a gem here last time. Patrick Ramsey is available somewhere or Gus Frerotte. Wonder if we can get Theismann to come back. You know Jason, we got Sonny to come back. He is an experienced NFL quarterback but we want you to know that you are our quarterback of the future. Yes, real confidence builder for Campbell. Zorn does not strike me as that type of coach.

Do you honestly think that Green Bay would not take Favre back if they thought his interest was genuine? I am sure that Rogers would understand better than Campbell would being displaced.
This subject stems from one simple question that we have been discussing for a while now: can JC handle de West Coast Offense???

Right now I think you have to give the benefit of the doubt that Favre would manage it better than JC. It´s safe to assume that Snyder is al least considering the posibility.

And one other thing: of course Zorn said that JC would be the starter at QB some month´s ago. He did not even know that Favre would be returning to football!


Pray, who is "we"? Those who have paid attention know that Campbells best seasons in college were when he was running the West Coast offense. It's also true that his best games as a Redskin have been when he was turned loose in a no huddle scenario...

Seems all that needs demonstrating is how he will do with Zorn's version.

IMHO, only those who are not paying attention still see this as an argument. Campbell has the talent to run the WCO. The question is, with what quality?

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:01 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
[quote
Pray, who is "we". Those who have paid attention know that Campbells best seasons in college were when he was running the West Coast offense. It's also true that his best games as a Redskin have been when he was turned loose in a no huddle scenario...

Seems all that needs demonstrating is how he will do with Zorn's version.

IMHO, only those who are not paying attention still see this as an argument. Campbell has the talent to run the WCO. The question is, with what quality?[/quote]

i agree. campbell will be just fine. And this topic shouldnt even be being discussed cuz the skins wil not get favre. thats it

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:19 pm
by aswas71788
In response to El Mexican without the long quotes.

First, I am not real hyped on Jason Campbell becoming a super star. I think he will be a good serviceable quarterback and there is nothign wrong with that. If there is any hope that Jason Campbell will be successful, I think that will be destroyed if they bring in Favre. I do not think the Redskins need a player who has created the turmoil that Favre has created in the past few months. How can we believe that he is ready to play even if he signs a contract when he has flip-flopped back and forth for the past few months. He has a contract with Green Bay that pays him $10 Millioin + and he can't make up his mind. Favre has flip-flopped so often that Green Bay does not want him back as a starter. They have moved on and so should the Redskins. Yea, this week Favre is ready to play 100%, what about next week?

Fans and media jump on the Redskins for signing to many over-the-hill players but then jump on the bandwagon for the next old guy. Let Favre got to Carolina, Jacksonville or anywhere else he wants to go but not here. Let Favre take his circus somewhere else. If the Redskins do sign Favre, it will be a bigger mistake that Spurrier.

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:22 pm
by El Mexican
MDSKINSFAN wrote:[quote
Pray, who is "we". Those who have paid attention know that Campbells best seasons in college were when he was running the West Coast offense. It's also true that his best games as a Redskin have been when he was turned loose in a no huddle scenario...

Seems all that needs demonstrating is how he will do with Zorn's version.

IMHO, only those who are not paying attention still see this as an argument. Campbell has the talent to run the WCO. The question is, with what quality?


i agree. campbell will be just fine. And this topic shouldnt even be being discussed cuz the skins wil not get favre. thats it[/QUOTE]JC´s best games with the Skins have been in a totally different scheme than the WCO.

Of course he was great in college running that particular typo of offense, but these are the pro´s. If only every player transitioned seamlesly to the NFL...Everything would be much simpler, wouldn´t it?

And why the heck can´t we argue that Favre COULD end up in D.C., even if it´s a remote possibility. Hell, have you a better subject to disect??????

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:30 pm
by fleetus
"Does Peter King know something we don't?"


YES! How to pull pure magical speculation out of his butt, write it and have us talking about it for weeks thereafter. :lol:

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:08 pm
by yupchagee
fleetus wrote:
"Does Peter King know something we don't?"


YES! How to pull pure magical speculation out of his butt, write it and have us talking about it for weeks thereafter. :lol:



The only thing he has going for him is that he gets paid to speculate on these things.

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:15 pm
by 1niksder
yupchagee wrote:
fleetus wrote:
"Does Peter King know something we don't?"


YES! How to pull pure magical speculation out of his butt, write it and have us talking about it for weeks thereafter. :lol:



The only thing he has going for him is that he gets paid to speculate on these things.

Yeah but his speculations were confirmed by PFT. ROTFALMAO

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:24 am
by HEROHAMO
Farve is coming back. Where is he coming to is the question. He is demanding to either start for the Packers or be released. The management wants him to be second string and hold the clip board.

Farve still has what it takes. He can throw about 90 percent of the way he used too. He still takes too many chances but that is what farve is a gunslinger.

Aaron Rodgers on the other hand is a total unknown. Will he be half as good as Brett Farve? I dont think so! I live in California and seen him come up through his whole career. The kid has all the tools. He is a panzy though. I have met him and he is a total wussy boy.

Farve has at least two to three years in that body. Play the hall of famer and try to get to the big one again is what I say.

If Green Bay lets him go than that management crew will gone within two years. You dont screw over your own Hall of famer! San Francisco screwed Montana back in the days but they had a proven Steve Young in the wings. Aaron Rodgers is no Steve Young. More to come in this drama that is the BRett Farve chronicles.

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:55 am
by fleetus
HEROHAMO wrote:Farve is coming back. Where is he coming to is the question. He is demanding to either start for the Packers or be released. The management wants him to be second string and hold the clip board.

Farve still has what it takes. He can throw about 90 percent of the way he used too. He still takes too many chances but that is what farve is a gunslinger.

Aaron Rodgers on the other hand is a total unknown. Will he be half as good as Brett Farve? I dont think so! I live in California and seen him come up through his whole career. The kid has all the tools. He is a panzy though. I have met him and he is a total wussy boy.

Farve has at least two to three years in that body. Play the hall of famer and try to get to the big one again is what I say.

If Green Bay lets him go than that management crew will gone within two years. You dont screw over your own Hall of famer! San Francisco screwed Montana back in the days but they had a proven Steve Young in the wings. Aaron Rodgers is no Steve Young. More to come in this drama that is the BRett Farve chronicles.


No offense, but I've heard all this every day now for about 2 weeks on every sports channel and website that exists. it is getting old. Favre has once again put the Packers in a tough situation with his indecision. They even contacted him months after retirement to see if there was any chance he might want to unretire and play but he wasn't interested. Now, all of the sudden, he decides he does want to play but the Packers have annointed Rodgers and installed packages for him in mini camp, prepared there playbook around him and Favre wants to return. When they don't immediately open their arms to welcome him back, he says he'll play elsewhere. Favre has hijacked both of the Packers past two off-seasons and this year will make the third one in a row. We all love him, but he needs to make a decision and stick with it for once.

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:38 pm
by gbUSC
Am I the only one who just wishes Brett Favre would go away?