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Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Paying for a ticket doesn't give blanket permission to act however you want. There are certain understood rules for appropriate behavior that are implicit in the contract when you a buy a ticket. It's the exact same reason you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

Right. Try going to an opera & sing along at the top of your lungs. See how long you are allowed to stay.

Countertrey wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

I will say that I have no patience for anybody that are going to be obnoxious and stand for no reason at all.

If you don't like obnoxious people... then, I'd suggest that a football stadium on game day may not be where you should be....

You know this world is so messed up. We have lost the respect and honor for people in this world. Back in the days when a kid would hang out over at their friends house and they would say hello to his friends parents he would say hello Mr. and Mrs. Jones. Or back in the days people would address someone as sir or ma'am. Those days are gone. And you my friend need to learn your manners. Its people like you that need to honor and respect people.

1: I am not "your friend" I do not have any egocentric friends.

2: I need MANNERS??? I merely pointed out a fact about football stadiums on game day... and dropped a wink to tell you that I was being playful. You don't like what I said, so I NEED MANNERS??? The simple fact is, football stadiums are full of drunken, obnoxious people. If you don't like it, you have 3 choices. Either make enough money to purchase yourself a few club seats, get over it, or don't go to the games. It's simple, really. I did not serve in the military for 32 years, where courtesy is a required survival skill, to be lectured by a narcisistic child who can't do give and take.

3: I understand that "Clues 'r Us" is having a big sale. Get over yourself.

No you basically told me that on gameday that maybe I shouldn't be at the park. Because I happened to say that the standing has got out of hand. And yes you do need to learn some manners, It's obvious by the way you are talking to me. I don't care if you served in the military or not whats that suppose to mean? This is about standing at a game not what you do for a living. No, I'm not clueless, and no I'm not a child. Grow up and learn to respect someone, just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean that you disrespect someone.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

You know what I disagree with what you are saying here. I agree there is a time when you are at a game to stand and get into it and there is a time when your butt needs to be planted in the seat.

That's all I needed to read. What you're saying is there are specific times where, in your opinion, people shouldn't be allowed to stand. I say if I'm paying $100/ea for two or three tickets, then I'll stand whenever the urge strikes me, regardless of where you or anyone else thinks my butt should be. If these types of things bother you, then maybe you should buy a nice TV and then you can regulate who stands when.

You know what. Its people like you that cause for a standing ban. Because people like have lost the respect and honor for people. You don't care if it bothers someone else you are just going to do because hey it makes you feel good. Whatever, grow up and learn some manners. Get some class.

You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Should I look behind me and ask everyone if it's okay if I stand? What EXACTLY are your rules at a football game? Is there a set number of minutes per person to stand? what about visitors on the home side? Are they alllowed to cheer for their team? Please, elaborate why you're not the biggest wuss to ever attend a game!

Oh please. I never said anything about time limit on standing. Nor did I ever talk about the visitors. And if you do look at my earlier posts you will see that I never said anything against someone rooting for their team. I just simply said that there is a time to stand and there is a time to sit. I never said that standing is wrong and I'm not against standing. Standing has got out of hand and thats why it has been banned. Again when people have to STAND on their DAMN SEATS to see the game thats a problem. Oh calling me a wuss? Why are you calling me a wuss? Cause I have an opinion on standing? Because I don't believe that a person should have to stand on their seat to watch the game? oh you are so BAD and macho behind that keyboard. LOL. You also need to also learn to repect people.

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Paying for a ticket doesn't give blanket permission to act however you want. There are certain understood rules for appropriate behavior that are implicit in the contract when you a buy a ticket. It's the exact same reason you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

I don't think I stated or implied that. Standing at a football game is quite diffferent than initiating a panic in a movie theatre.

I would not be upset if someone is standing in front of me. I would, however, be irritated of someone were standing on their seat in front of me. Those are two different situations.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Paying for a ticket doesn't give blanket permission to act however you want. There are certain understood rules for appropriate behavior that are implicit in the contract when you a buy a ticket. It's the exact same reason you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

I don't think I stated or implied that. Standing at a football game is quite diffferent than initiating a panic in a movie theatre.

If you stand the whole game for no reason, it's only a difference in degree and not in kind. Clearly you can ruin someone else's chance to watch the game if you stand the whole time, or even at inappropriate times consistently throughout the game.

(Compare that to a whole theater full of people, and there's the difference. But either way, someone is having their entertainment ruined by inappropriate behavior.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favor of standing and still have to believe that the Chiefs' rule isn't really saying what we think it's saying. I also don't think I'd agree with jeremyroyce when it comes down to it: frankly, I think any official 'ban' on standing is stupid. . .but I do think it's wrong to say that buying a ticket is an entitlement to act however you want regardless of how it might affect others.

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Paying for a ticket doesn't give blanket permission to act however you want. There are certain understood rules for appropriate behavior that are implicit in the contract when you a buy a ticket. It's the exact same reason you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

I don't think I stated or implied that. Standing at a football game is quite diffferent than initiating a panic in a movie theatre.

If you stand the whole game for no reason, it's only a difference in degree and not in kind. Clearly you can ruin someone else's chance to watch the game if you stand the whole time, or even at inappropriate times consistently throughout the game.

(Compare that to a whole theater full of people, and there's the difference. But either way, someone is having their entertainment ruined by inappropriate behavior.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favor of standing and still have to believe that the Chiefs' rule isn't really saying what we think it's saying. I also don't think I'd agree with jeremyroyce when it comes down to it: frankly, I think any official 'ban' on standing is stupid. . .but I do think it's wrong to say that buying a ticket is an entitlement to act however you want regardless of how it might affect others.

<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:You obviously missed my earlier post. I never said I would stand the whole game jsut for spite. I said that if I want to stand, I am JUST as entitled to stand as you are to sit.

Paying for a ticket doesn't give blanket permission to act however you want. There are certain understood rules for appropriate behavior that are implicit in the contract when you a buy a ticket. It's the exact same reason you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

I don't think I stated or implied that. Standing at a football game is quite diffferent than initiating a panic in a movie theatre.

If you stand the whole game for no reason, it's only a difference in degree and not in kind. Clearly you can ruin someone else's chance to watch the game if you stand the whole time, or even at inappropriate times consistently throughout the game.

(Compare that to a whole theater full of people, and there's the difference. But either way, someone is having their entertainment ruined by inappropriate behavior.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favor of standing and still have to believe that the Chiefs' rule isn't really saying what we think it's saying. I also don't think I'd agree with jeremyroyce when it comes down to it: frankly, I think any official 'ban' on standing is stupid. . .but I do think it's wrong to say that buying a ticket is an entitlement to act however you want regardless of how it might affect others.

<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.

But aren;t you saying that your good time should supercede his? Where's the difference. You're saying that him not wanting you to stand is infringing on your right to have a good time, but I fail to see the difference in that your standing is infringing on his good time.

JansenFan wrote:DEHog's been there for a game. Perhaps he can enlighten us.

Greatest place I've ever seen a game!!! I spoke with my friend out there( he has 1/2 season package) and he said it's foe those who try to stand all the time...it won't stop them from standing and cheering for the Chiefs and the right time.

The thing I remember most about the game out there was every time we scored their fans would stand up and start cheering like crazy...I was what's up with this...They had Donte Hall and they loved him so everyone would stand up and cross their are inthe form of a X for the X-Factor.

Just a great venue!

JansenFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.

But aren;t you saying that your good time should supercede his? Where's the difference. You're saying that him not wanting you to stand is infringing on your right to have a good time, but I fail to see the difference in that your standing is infringing on his good time.

Well, that's how I was reading his original post, but I think maybe Vetskins is simply saying that a uniform ban on standing would be just as intrusive to people as jeremyroyce seems to think standing is to him. If that's the case, then I agree with him.

Irn-Bru wrote:

JansenFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.

But aren;t you saying that your good time should supercede his? Where's the difference. You're saying that him not wanting you to stand is infringing on your right to have a good time, but I fail to see the difference in that your standing is infringing on his good time.

Well, that's how I was reading his original post, but I think maybe Vetskins is simply saying that a uniform ban on standing would be just as intrusive to people as jeremyroyce seems to think standing is to him. If that's the case, then I agree with him.

If he said what you think he said than I agree, too. I just found it ironic that the argument seemed to be (from both sides): "You can't infringe on my good time, which infringes on your good time."

Irn-Bru wrote:

JansenFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.

But aren;t you saying that your good time should supercede his? Where's the difference. You're saying that him not wanting you to stand is infringing on your right to have a good time, but I fail to see the difference in that your standing is infringing on his good time.

Well, that's how I was reading his original post, but I think maybe Vetskins is simply saying that a uniform ban on standing would be just as intrusive to people as jeremyroyce seems to think standing is to him

. If that's the case, then I agree with him.[/quote]

maybe Vetskins is simply saying that a uniform ban on standing would be just as intrusive to people as jeremyroyce seems to think standing is to him

This is more where I was going. Thank you for eloquently stating what I attempted to.

<sigh> maybe I didn't express my point clearly enough. I didn't say purchasing a ticket gave me a free pass to so whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I was merely trying to say that people like Jeremy who think their own good time takes precedence over someone else's good time. I apologize if my statement came across as saying that I'll stand the whole time if I wanted to; honestly it was not my intention.[/quote]

I think that you are misunderstanding me. I never said that this standing thing takes precedence over someone else good time. What I am saying is that the standing has got out of hand. Would you not agree that if someone has finally got fed up with someone that is obstructing their view and they have been asked on repeated times to please sit down and they don't, can you blame someone standing on their seat so they can see the game? I have said from the very beginning that I am not against people rooting for their team, getting into the game and standing, however you also need to have some respect for the people around you as well.

Screw that, if I wanna stand I'm gonna stand. If someone in front of me stands up and blocks my view, I'll stand up too so I can see. Also, unfortunately yes, it is a "I, me, I, me" thing considering the price of the tickets to begin with along with the cost of the concession stands and products. I stand for 85% of the game, all the time; BUT as soon as I get to my seat, I always ask the person behind me if they mind or not so I can be conscientious of them.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Screw that, if I wanna stand I'm gonna stand. If someone in front of me stands up and blocks my view, I'll stand up too so I can see. Also, unfortunately yes, it is a "I, me, I, me" thing considering the price of the tickets to begin with along with the cost of the concession stands and products. I stand for 85% of the game, all the time; BUT as soon as I get to my seat, I always ask the person behind me if they mind or not so I can be conscientious of them.

Haha Thats great!

Screw that, if I wanna stand I'm gonna stand.

But I always ask them first.

They had Donte Hall and they loved him so everyone would stand up and cross their are inthe form of a X for the X-Factor.

Just a great venue!

this is off topic but whatever happened to dante hall? he had that great year with the chiefs and then went to the rams and then he just disapeared