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VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd like to see it happen more than once before pardoning Cerrato.

True enough. But then, pardoning Cerrato implies he did something which needs to be pardoned - did he? Sure, our FO has had its string of mistakes over the past 5 years, but who was responsible for those? Who had final say with Snyder - Gibbs or Cerrato? I'm not sure how responsible Cerrato was for personnel mistakes of the last 4 years. Some, I'm sure, but how much?

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I agree that this is a good investment option, but let's look at this realistically. He wouldn't have been cut (and rescinded) and immediately traded for a 7th conditional 7th rounder if he was all that. He might pan out, he might not, but let's keep it realistic.

How are some "not keeping it real" ? Of course James was traded because of injuries and being paid the salary of a 1st round pick. The Vikes also brought in Allen, so they needed to release somebody. Maybe I missed something, but most here have said "IF" he stays healthy he could contribute and the deal with the Vikes is very low risk. I haven't seen anyone appoint him to the Pro Bowl yet.

Relax, Freak, I was just reiterating that if this guy's PRODUCTION was there, he wouldn't have been let go for virtually nothing. Try some decaf, it's too early .....

Much Ado About Nothing

Would we have preferred the Redskins piss away a first round draft pick for Jason Taylor?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I agree that this is a good investment option, but let's look at this realistically. He wouldn't have been cut (and rescinded) and immediately traded for a 7th conditional 7th rounder if he was all that. He might pan out, he might not, but let's keep it realistic.

How are some "not keeping it real" ? Of course James was traded because of injuries and being paid the salary of a 1st round pick. The Vikes also brought in Allen, so they needed to release somebody. Maybe I missed something, but most here have said "IF" he stays healthy he could contribute and the deal with the Vikes is very low risk. I haven't seen anyone appoint him to the Pro Bowl yet.

Relax, Freak, I was just reiterating that if this guy's PRODUCTION was there, he wouldn't have been let go for virtually nothing. Try some decaf, it's too early .....

I'm not worked up, sir, I was simply asking why you think we need to "keep it realistic". We acquired a player, it's worth discussion, but I don't see anyone getting carried away. Walt Harris' "production" was low during his tenure as a Skins, but went on to be very productive with the 9ers. Smoot was labeled as a waste in Minny, but has done pretty well since he's been back. We all know James has some previous knee injuries, but he "could" make a come back, and I'm sure that's all anyone is hoping for.

All panty bunching aside - how can you really and seriously complain about giving up absolutely NOTHING if he doesn't pan out? And if he does pan out, you get him for a seventh round draft pick?

Solid move.

Hopefully James can find some form in D.C. but if not, all we did was give him a shot at no cost to us.

It's not like we have a plethora of options at DE... and there aren't likely to be many new options between now and game one... so why not take the flyer?

Well said, BossHog.

I was really psyched to read about this trade this morning. If it doesn't pan out, no big deal.

I did some reading about James yesterday and it sounded mainly like his problem has been the injury bug. I didn't read anything questioning his talent. It would be nice if the Skins could afford to be a little patient, let him get healthy and end up with a quality young player at a position of need.

How can they make any decision on this guy, is my only question.

They said he is limping. If he can't participate in training camp, how will they decide if he makes the final 53 man roster? Can thay put a newly signed guy one the PUP or IR list to Not count against the 53 man roster, if undecided.

BnGhog wrote:How can they make any decision on this guy, is my only question.

They said he is limping. If he can't participate in training camp, how will they decide if he makes the final 53 man roster? Can thay put a newly signed guy one the PUP or IR list to Not count against the 53 man roster, if undecided.

Palermo said he's 90% at this point and they expect him to be 100% by the start of training camp. Assuming his recovery stays on coarse, they'll get plenty of looks at him.

BnGhog wrote:How can they make any decision on this guy, is my only question.

Seems pretty simple - come late August, the coach, the GM, and the doctors get together and ask "Is he going to be able to play productively this season or not?". If the answer's no, bye-bye. Seems like there's plenty of time between now and final cuts to determine if EJ's body is going to allow him to fulfill his potential.

They said he is limping. If he can't participate in training camp, how will they decide if he makes the final 53 man roster? Can thay put a newly signed guy one the PUP or IR list to Not count against the 53 man roster, if undecided.

Don't know about putting him on IR or the PUP. Good question. Anyone?

It's a freaking conditional 7th round draft pick. From 2000-2007, we've had 10 7th round draft picks. The only one that has actually contributed to the team was Rock Cartwright in 2002. It's not like this is a draft choice with any real value...it's really not.

James has injury issues. Yeah, we get that he may never play a down for the Redskins. He also has a chance to be a very good DE. It's an excellent risk:reward move.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I agree that this is a good investment option, but let's look at this realistically. He wouldn't have been cut (and rescinded) and immediately traded for a conditional 7th rounder if he was all that. He might pan out, he might not, but let's keep it realistic.

There have been many players cut or traded for relatively nothing that proved solid. A conditional seventh rounder is basically getting him for free. What do we have to lose?

PulpExposure wrote:It's a freaking conditional 7th round draft pick. From 2000-2007, we've had 10 7th round draft picks. The only one that has actually contributed to the team was Rock Cartwright in 2002. It's not like this is a draft choice with any real value...it's really not.

James has injury issues. Yeah, we get that he may never play a down for the Redskins. He also has a chance to be a very good DE. It's an excellent risk:reward move.

Agreed. People are putting too much stock in 7th round picks if they think this guy isn't worth the gamble.

. . .and that's assuming that he makes the team. . .

Hey now, let's not be so cavalier about these 7th round picks. We may be trading away the next Gibran Hamdan.

I guess the only down side might be if he makes the 53-man squad, then he has nagging injuries which aren't bad enough to give up his spot, but are bad enough to keep him from being productive on the field... or even end up on injured reserve... then i guess it would've been a waste of a pick and/or one less healthybody on game day... i think the upside is definitely worth the very small risk though...

riggofan wrote:Hey now, let's not be so cavalier about these 7th round picks. We may be trading away the next Gibran Hamdan.

I forgot all about him Cancel the trade

I'm not seeing the relevance of this discussion. If I told you I would give you a Ham sandwich for free, you could taste-test it first, then give me a nickel if you liked it, would you argue about the nickel? 7th round picks are typically guys that have a hard time making the roster anyway. So, spending a 7th round pick on a guy ONLY IF he makes the roster is a better deal then you'll ever get drafting a 7th rounder who isn't guaranteed of making any impact at all. What is there to discuss?

fleetus wrote:I'm not seeing the relevance of this discussion. If I told you I would give you a Ham sandwich for free, you could taste-test it first, then give me a nickel if you liked it, would you argue about the nickel? 7th round picks are typically guys that have a hard time making the roster anyway. So, spending a 7th round pick on a guy ONLY IF he makes the roster is a better deal then you'll ever get drafting a 7th rounder who isn't guaranteed of making any impact at all. What is there to discuss?

I would turn down your deal. I don't eat ham.

im glad we got him. were not givin much up either so its worth the risk. he is a good DE when hes healthy and we needed some speed and youth on that line. if he makes the squad (which i think he will) he would be a good compliment to andre on the other side. if we had a force opposite andre hed be dominant. he had 10 sacks last year and he was doubled all the time

Not for nothing...but how many names do you pass by in the Baby Book before you settle on naming your newborn 'Erasmus'?
Whatever. Welcome aboard to Mr. James.
May your stay be lengthy and healthy, not necessarily in that order.

I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor. He's had 2 blown ACLs in 2 years (probably reinjured b4 it was 100%) and that's a problem. I think he had a redshirt year in college as well. He's not necessarily injury prone, but he IS more apt to be injured due to his history.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor. He's had 2 blown ACLs in 2 years (probably reinjured b4 it was 100%) and that's a problem. I think he had a redshirt year in college as well. He's not necessarily injury prone, but he IS more apt to be injured due to his history.

Why does the injury history even matter? It's a no-lose scenario, the Redskins clearly aren't counting on him to be the savior. If it works out, great, if he gets hurt, it costs nothing.

Smart trade. No risk involved with potential high reward if James can stay healthy and fulfill some of his potential. However, this move does highlight the fact that we basically did nothing to improve a major area of need during the offseason.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor. He's had 2 blown ACLs in 2 years (probably reinjured b4 it was 100%) and that's a problem. I think he had a redshirt year in college as well. He's not necessarily injury prone, but he IS more apt to be injured due to his history.

Completely irrelevant. This is a no risk proposition... SO WHAT IF HE HAS AN INJURY HISTORY. His cost is next to nothing, and, if he can play, his upside is huge.

What is wrong with you people?????

In the mean time, did he pass a physical today - anybody hear?
In any event, it was a good move for the Redskins, IMHO.

Countertrey wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I could personally care less abot the 7th round. My point was more about James not being the next Strahan or Jason Taylor. He's had 2 blown ACLs in 2 years (probably reinjured b4 it was 100%) and that's a problem. I think he had a redshirt year in college as well. He's not necessarily injury prone, but he IS more apt to be injured due to his history.

Completely irrelevant. This is a no risk proposition... SO WHAT IF HE HAS AN INJURY HISTORY. His cost is next to nothing, and, if he can play, his upside is huge.

What is wrong with you people?????

Everything is all out of wack...
First they bring only 2 guys during the FA signing period signing one then releasing him. Then they go into the draft and make good trades and upgrade the WR corps. with big bodies. Now for some strange reason they go out and get a guy that was drafted in the first round for a conditional 7th.

You asked what's wrong with us? What's wrong with "the Danny"? What's with this trade being so far from the norm? You can't tell me that there isn't a former 7th round pick out there, somewhere that he could have given up a conditional 1st round pick for.

That's what we've been waiting for. Though it seems they really have learned their lesson and this may not happen.