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tribeofjudah wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24757

Here is another point of view.... Sinclair could be a GOOD one....

This time of year, everybody looks good. We have to wait till they put on pads & start hitting.

Did you read the article. He tackled Devin Hester 2 times in one game!

Has Devin lost a step??? I think NOT......

2 tackles do not make a career.

yupchagee wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24757

Here is another point of view.... Sinclair could be a GOOD one....

This time of year, everybody looks good. We have to wait till they put on pads & start hitting.

Did you read the article. He tackled Devin Hester 2 times in one game!

Has Devin lost a step??? I think NOT......

2 tackles do not make a career.

I don't know... the entire NFC North has gone pretty much 2 entire seasons without tackling Devin Hester twice!

Right you are.....Countertrey....

Sinclair is on a mission to make the 53 man roster and I'm rooting for him.

Interestingly, Sinclair was listed #19 Inside Linebacker in the 2005 Sporting News, and his 40 time of 4.65 was only bettered by 5 players listed ahead of him. That list included #9 Robert McCune (40 time of 4.41) drafted #154 in the 5th round by the 'Skins. Obviously, the 40's does not make a top linebacker, but this guy is a player IMO. I'd like to see him get a fair shot at the team, since I have this uneasy feeling our LB core is going to have problems.

Silverfox wrote:Interestingly, Sinclair was listed #19 Inside Linebacker in the 2005 Sporting News, and his 40 time of 4.65 was only bettered by 5 players listed ahead of him. That list included #9 Robert McCune (40 time of 4.41) drafted #154 in the 5th round by the 'Skins. Obviously, the 40's does not make a top linebacker, but this guy is a player IMO. I'd like to see him get a fair shot at the team, since I have this uneasy feeling our LB core is going to have problems.

I knew McCune was a real workout warrior. I didn't know Sinclair's numbers. 4.65 is good for a LB, but 40 times aren't that good a predictor of NFL success. How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

yupchagee wrote:

Silverfox wrote:Interestingly, Sinclair was listed #19 Inside Linebacker in the 2005 Sporting News, and his 40 time of 4.65 was only bettered by 5 players listed ahead of him. That list included #9 Robert McCune (40 time of 4.41) drafted #154 in the 5th round by the 'Skins. Obviously, the 40's does not make a top linebacker, but this guy is a player IMO. I'd like to see him get a fair shot at the team, since I have this uneasy feeling our LB core is going to have problems.

I knew McCune was a real workout warrior. I didn't know Sinclair's numbers. 4.65 is good for a LB, but 40 times aren't that good a predictor of NFL success. How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

Green's 40 time helped him

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Silverfox wrote:Interestingly, Sinclair was listed #19 Inside Linebacker in the 2005 Sporting News, and his 40 time of 4.65 was only bettered by 5 players listed ahead of him. That list included #9 Robert McCune (40 time of 4.41) drafted #154 in the 5th round by the 'Skins. Obviously, the 40's does not make a top linebacker, but this guy is a player IMO. I'd like to see him get a fair shot at the team, since I have this uneasy feeling our LB core is going to have problems.

I knew McCune was a real workout warrior. I didn't know Sinclair's numbers. 4.65 is good for a LB, but 40 times aren't that good a predictor of NFL success. How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

Green's 40 time helped him

Green had a whole lot more going for him. He was Pat Fisher with speed.

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

Green had a whole lot more going for him. He was Pat Fisher with speed.

Nah... Green was nice. Pat Fisher punished receivers who had beaten him. Green never used his cleats for anything other than traction. What Fisher lacked in speed, he made up for in hard core play, and the occasional extracurricular... he was the world's most feared mouse.

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

Watching that play never gets old. Glad I'll see it a few more times later this summer.

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Silverfox wrote:Interestingly, Sinclair was listed #19 Inside Linebacker in the 2005 Sporting News, and his 40 time of 4.65 was only bettered by 5 players listed ahead of him. That list included #9 Robert McCune (40 time of 4.41) drafted #154 in the 5th round by the 'Skins. Obviously, the 40's does not make a top linebacker, but this guy is a player IMO. I'd like to see him get a fair shot at the team, since I have this uneasy feeling our LB core is going to have problems.

I knew McCune was a real workout warrior. I didn't know Sinclair's numbers. 4.65 is good for a LB, but 40 times aren't that good a predictor of NFL success. How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

Green's 40 time helped him

Green had a whole lot more going for him. He was Pat Fisher with speed.

<sigh> we've been over this before.... Green was not a punishing tackler.. he was a speed demon.

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

Mathis probably was the fastest player on the team in terms of 40 speed. He's gone. Draw your own conclusions.

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

Mathis probably was the fastest player on the team in terms of 40 speed. He's gone. Draw your own conclusions.

What, exactly, does this have to do with D Green and DBs?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

Mathis probably was the fastest player on the team in terms of 40 speed. He's gone. Draw your own conclusions.

What, exactly, does this have to do with D Green and DBs?

Speed is not the determining factor. Torrance is probably faster than Smoot or Springs. Should he be starting?

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

Mathis probably was the fastest player on the team in terms of 40 speed. He's gone. Draw your own conclusions.

What, exactly, does this have to do with D Green and DBs?

Speed is not the determining factor. Torrance is probably faster than Smoot or Springs. Should he be starting?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't

You must have interpreted this statement for me saying Green was only known for chasing people down from behind, which clearly in this post I didn't. Nowhere in my posts did I say, "Fastest starts, hands down!!" If you would stop jumping to conclusions and actually comprehend what is put in the forum, it might bode better for you. You have a nice point in your statements out of context, but here in context, it sounds like you just want to be heard, regardless of previous statements and context.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

How about at least once...
Unidentified Hall of Famer sprinting 40 yds (+) in a straight line in a game situation

I remember that play well. However, it is hardly typical. one time in a career is not very often. I also remember Green stoping 240# RB's dead in their tracks. There is nothing wrong with having a good 40 time, I'm just saying it isn't the only, or even most important thing. Any of you old enough to remember Ray Berry?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't.

I'm not denying his speed, I'm just saying there is MUCH more to playing CB (or any other position) than straight line speed, like turning, something else he did well.

There are a lot of corners that have had those skills, which I'm not trying to say Green was straight line speed only. The thing that made Green unique is that he WAS an excellent corner with impeccable speed and DID chase people down from behind.

Mathis probably was the fastest player on the team in terms of 40 speed. He's gone. Draw your own conclusions.

What, exactly, does this have to do with D Green and DBs?

Speed is not the determining factor. Torrance is probably faster than Smoot or Springs. Should he be starting?

Darrell Green was known for chasing people down from behind. I find it hard to believe that you think he hasn't

You must have interpreted this statement for me saying Green was only known for chasing people down from behind, which clearly in this post I didn't. Nowhere in my posts did I say, "Fastest starts, hands down!!" If you would stop jumping to conclusions and actually comprehend what is put in the forum, it might bode better for you. You have a nice point in your statements out of context, but here in context, it sounds like you just want to be heard, regardless of previous statements and context.

My point is & has been that 40 times are not a very good indication of how good a football player a person is.

Getting back to "TribeofJudah" original post - Sinclair, LB - my post was to support that thought because I believe the Team is going to need a really good backup. And Sinclair had some good measureables to add to his resume. 40's time is only a means of comparison to others; heart and instinct can't be measured IMO, but we sure knew ST had it as did DGreen, and both had super measureables. I am concerned, big time, with our LB situation, with Fletcher and Washington "maturing" and Rocky coming off of his rehab. We need an impact player waiting - somebody needs to step up.

yupchagee wrote:How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

On kick off coverage...all the time.

This guy seems to be a good teamer, but what about defense during a real game situation? I usually don't hold out much hope for guys that bounce around the league and don't make a roster, but he was trying out for the Raven's and the Dolphins in 05 and 06. Neither of those teams would be easy to make as a LB, so I'll give him some credit. Goodness knows that we need the depth at LB. So, if he can't make our squad this year then he probably never will.

jazzskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

On kick off coverage...all the time.

This guy seems to be a good teamer, but what about defense during a real game situation? I usually don't hold out much hope for guys that bounce around the league and don't make a roster, but he was trying out for the Raven's and the Dolphins in 05 and 06. Neither of those teams would be easy to make as a LB, so I'll give him some credit. Goodness knows that we need the depth at LB. So, if he can't make our squad this year then he probably never will.

OK! My read on the LB roster for Blache includes; Washington, Fletcher, and McIntosh/Blades as starters (assuming Rocky won't be ready early in the season). The perennial backup and ST contributor, Campbell, for depth. But if not Sinclair (a good ST guy) than what about Gatewood, a rookie, for the 6th LB? (I don't think Zorn will keep more than 6 LBs)

Silverfox wrote:

jazzskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

On kick off coverage...all the time.

This guy seems to be a good teamer, but what about defense during a real game situation? I usually don't hold out much hope for guys that bounce around the league and don't make a roster, but he was trying out for the Raven's and the Dolphins in 05 and 06. Neither of those teams would be easy to make as a LB, so I'll give him some credit. Goodness knows that we need the depth at LB. So, if he can't make our squad this year then he probably never will.

OK! My read on the LB roster for Blache includes; Washington, Fletcher, and McIntosh/Blades as starters (assuming Rocky won't be ready early in the season). The perennial backup and ST contributor, Campbell, for depth. But if not Sinclair (a good ST guy) than what about Gatewood, a rookie, for the 6th LB? (I don't think Zorn will keep more than 6 LBs)

Sinclair is the incumbent. He has 4 competitors for that last spot, Wallace, Verdun-Wheeler, Gatewood & Wilson.

yupchagee wrote:

Silverfox wrote:

jazzskins wrote:

yupchagee wrote:How often does a player sprint 40 yds in a straight line?

On kick off coverage...all the time.

This guy seems to be a good teamer, but what about defense during a real game situation? I usually don't hold out much hope for guys that bounce around the league and don't make a roster, but he was trying out for the Raven's and the Dolphins in 05 and 06. Neither of those teams would be easy to make as a LB, so I'll give him some credit. Goodness knows that we need the depth at LB. So, if he can't make our squad this year then he probably never will.

OK! My read on the LB roster for Blache includes; Washington, Fletcher, and McIntosh/Blades as starters (assuming Rocky won't be ready early in the season). The perennial backup and ST contributor, Campbell, for depth. But if not Sinclair (a good ST guy) than what about Gatewood, a rookie, for the 6th LB? (I don't think Zorn will keep more than 6 LBs)

Sinclair is the incumbent. He has 4 competitors for that last spot, Wallace, Verdun-Wheeler, Gatewood & Wilson.

Back to the original Sinclair post, I likes him last year in pre-season and I'm glad he was on the PS. I noticed he was around the ball just like Blades was. I think that he can be at least average, but I think he'll be better than that.