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Fios wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

If R Moss came cheap, I'd take 'em. He's proven what he can do in a favorable situation and I'd take taht chance. I've not watched Berrian, so I cannot comment on him.

Well, that's not exactly what I wrote. If you take Moss, you still have a need for a possession receiver, right? He doesn't fit what the Redskins want.

With Randy Moss having a Randy Moss '07 kinda year in '08 with the skins, I think it would work out just fine.

Yes, having a receiver set the all-time regular season touchdown catches record would be helpful. But the point is that the type of receiver Moss is, physically, doesn't solve the problem of lacking a possession receiver.

That would be 1 situation that I would gladly take a band-aid fix for.....

PulpExposure wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

LOSTHOG wrote:I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

If we wanted to pay a fortune for a WR, why didn't we go after Moss or Berian?

Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

There are no exact fits anywhere. That's just reality. They aren't exact fits, nobody in the draft is an exact fit etc.

We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

The only people who beat dead horses are those who have bestiality, necrophilia & OCD.

yupchagee wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

The only people who beat dead horses are those who have bestiality, necrophilia & OCD.

If I have to keep my fantasies in the Smack Forum, then so do you.

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

Moss was also in Minnesota with Cris Carter. I don't think Moss has ever carried a passing offense without another ProBowl receiver on the team.

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

Moss was also in Minnesota with Cris Carter. I don't think Moss has ever carried a passing offense without another ProBowl receiver on the team.

They were only together how many years?

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

Moss was also in Minnesota with Cris Carter. I don't think Moss has ever carried a passing offense without another ProBowl receiver on the team.

They were only together how many years?

Carter was with the Vikings from 1990-2001
Moss was with the Vikings from 1998-2004
So, from 1998-2001 the two played together.

Then Moss went to Oakland and:
2007 New England Patriots 98 1,493 15.2 65T 23 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 Oakland Raiders 42 553 13.2 51 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2005 Oakland Raiders 60 1,005 16.8 79 8

...barely broke 1000 yards one season and had 550 the next.
The he went to New England and had almost three times the receiving yardage in 2007 that he had in 2006.

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

Moss was also in Minnesota with Cris Carter. I don't think Moss has ever carried a passing offense without another ProBowl receiver on the team.

How about 2002 and 2003, years without Carter, when he outperformed the next best Minnesota receivers by 700 and 1,000 yards, respectively? (And in each year had double the next best receiver in terms of receptions.)

I'm surprised that you're trying to make this argument. Did you even watch him on the field last year? The man physically dominates, and he has the hands, smarts, and awareness to show that he's an elite receiver. Oakland was an aberration, not his true identity.

Irn-Bru wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:We appear to be over-simplifying Randy Moss. Without both Tom Brady and Wes Welker, Randy Moss is the Oakland receiver, not the Patriots receiver. Wes Welker had nearly twice as many receptions as any Redskins wide receiver last season. Without a second target, Randy Moss is pretty useless. Anyone want to rehash the Redskins slot receivers last season, or have we beaten that dead horse enough?

I disagree. I think Randy Moss, in most situations, will better an offense. Yes, I know about Oakland, but he was in more places than Oakland and NE.

Moss was also in Minnesota with Cris Carter. I don't think Moss has ever carried a passing offense without another ProBowl receiver on the team.

How about 2002 and 2003, years without Carter, when he outperformed the next best Minnesota receivers by 700 and 1,000 yards, respectively? (And in each year had double the next best receiver in terms of receptions.)

I'm surprised that you're trying to make this argument. Did you even watch him on the field last year? The man physically dominates, and he has the hands, smarts, and awareness to show that he's an elite receiver. Oakland was an aberration, not his true identity.

The argument is not Moss' talent. The argument is that Moss quit on his team, the Oakland team. He is far too good a receiver to have simply had a 40 reception, 550 receiving yard "bad season."

GSPODS wrote:The argument is not Moss' talent. The argument is that Moss quit on his team, the Oakland team. He is far too good a receiver to have simply had a 40 reception, 550 receiving yard "bad season."

Don't forget he was injured. You are relying on stats to tell the story---very selective stats, at that---and ignoring what anyone sees when they watch him play. This is one of the worst arguments that I've witnessed on THN in the last month.

Irn-Bru wrote:

GSPODS wrote:The argument is not Moss' talent. The argument is that Moss quit on his team, the Oakland team. He is far too good a receiver to have simply had a 40 reception, 550 receiving yard "bad season."

Don't forget he was injured. You are relying on stats to tell the story---very selective stats, at that---and ignoring what anyone sees when they watch him play. This is one of the worst arguments that I've witnessed on THN in the last month.

I'm sure the original point was lost in this discussion. Several members were suggesting that adding Randy Moss to the Redskins would solve the receiving issue. My point is that without other talent on the roster, Randy Moss isn't the same receiver. Is he still a receiver anyone would like to have? Yes, he is. Is he Steve Smith? Not in my opinion. Moss needs talent on the other side, otherwise he is double-teamed, and is therefore not as effective.

I don't think simply pairing Randy Moss with Santana Moss and Antwan Randle-El would solve the Redskins receiving issues. It would seem to me that you would have two of the same receiver, with different body types.

GSPODS wrote:I'm sure the original point was lost in this discussion.

GSPODS is right. The original point is that Randy Moss, a better wide receiver than any wideout we've had on our roster in a long time. From a pure talent standpoint, of course he'd help our team.

However, the Redskins are looking for a possession receiver. Randy Moss is certainly not a possession receiver. Hell, even with 23 TDs last year, he still wasn't the Patriot's go-to guy on 3rd down.

The original point is even if the Redskins had gotten Randy Moss, the Skins would still have the with a need for a possession receiver. Personally, I believe that point remains completely valid.

PulpExposure wrote:

GSPODS wrote:I'm sure the original point was lost in this discussion.

GSPODS is right. The original point is that Randy Moss, a better wide receiver than any wideout we've had on our roster in a long time. From a pure talent standpoint, of course he'd help our team.

However, the Redskins are looking for a possession receiver. Randy Moss is certainly not a possession receiver. Hell, even with 23 TDs last year, he still wasn't the Patriot's go-to guy on 3rd down.

The original point is even if the Redskins had gotten Randy Moss, the Skins would still have the with a need for a possession receiver. Personally, I believe that point remains completely valid.

I disagree. I think the receiving corps would be benefit more as a whole. No matter what R Moss does, he's going to draw the double. S Moss runs wild with a R Moss on the other side of the field. With the receiving corps of S Moss, R Moss, ARE, and Cpt Chaos (in addition to CP out of the backfield), I don't think we'll have a problem. When you consider adding raw talent as R Moss is, you have shades of gray.