Here we go again...Redskins after Chad Johnson

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:38 pm

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who initially denied the team had received offers for Johnson during a Tuesday news conference, confirmed to ESPN that Cincinnati turned down Washington's offer of two picks.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:31 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I hope we do not make this trade - this is a player that recently signed a deal and then 2 years later, wants out - I also hope that Lewis sticks by his word - he said we are not trading Johnson and now he has added that he hopes that Johnson sticks by his promise to sit out the season IF he is not traded.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10793519

I love it when the player gets what he deserves for being a jackass

Anyone else think it is stupid to not want Chad to play and at the same time not want to trade him? Just seems like financial idiocy. If no one tops the skins offer than this will probably go down, Marvin has to be bluffing, and its not his call anyway.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:02 pm

If you were Johnson what would you do. If you worked for someone but you hated being there, and you could get the same job for working for someone else, but you can’t quit...

He has a binding contract, nothing he can do about it. Going public is his only option, it might not work but what else can you do? If he keeps his mouth shut, he'll retire there, and live his entire football career life in Cincy a place he don't want to be. Is this the only beef people have with him?

Has anyone on this board been in that situation before? If you could get the same job you have now, and work for someone you would like better and like the environment better, most everyone would quit in a heart beat but he can’t. You don't know what you would do in his position. Imagine, living someplace you don't want to live, or working for someone you don't want to work for, but you can't do nothing about it you are under contract. That must suck, I'm not saying I would do the same, but if you really wanted out bad, what else is there?

And sure we got a great pick with Landry. But you can't compair that to this, none of the WRs in the draft are predicted to be the next CJ or T.O. if they were, they would be the #1 pick and we wouldn't get a shot at them anyway.

Countertrey wrote:
in Life it is your friends that get you in or out of trouble

What? You mean the choices I make have nothing to do with it???? Why didn't I hear about this when I was 20???

Chad has demonstrated that if he doesn't get his way, he will spill poison in the locker room (as he is doing in Cincy right now). This would be a bad deal.

You know what I ment.

If a wannabe thug is hanging out with thugs, what do you think will happen? The people around you greatly influence your life, no matter if you want to admit it or not. The people you grew up with and the people who raised you, made you the person you are today. Everyone has to choose friends wisely. And if he came here and was hanging out with CP, I don't think CP is going to be giving him advice to go and throw fits in the media or shoot some one or anything that the other Cincy players have been arrested for in the last two years.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:19 pm

It would be a really nice trade for the Redskins, and I don't see how anyone could think he wouldn't work on this team.

No it wouldn't be a nice trade for the Skins. Giving up multiple picks (potentially 2 first rounders) for a 30 year old receiver (that wants a new contract also) makes zero sense. His antics aside, Johnson is too old to be making such a large investment in. The guy wasn't even the best receiver on his team last season.

We heard all offseason about how the Skins front office has learned from its mistakes and changed for the better, but the fact that this trade offer was made casts serious doubt upon that notion.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:32 pm

You know what I ment.

If a wannabe thug is hanging out with thugs, what do you think will happen? The people around you greatly influence your life, no matter if you want to admit it or not. The people you grew up with and the people who raised you, made you the person you are today. Everyone has to choose friends wisely. And if he came here and was hanging out with CP, I don't think CP is going to be giving him advice to go and throw fits in the media or shoot some one or anything that the other Cincy players have been arrested for in the last two years.

And YOU know what I said. No one is responsible for the decisions you make but you. I don't care how many people are saying "come run with us thugs"... you get to decide whether you go or not, you get to decide whether you are going to load your nose with blow, you get to decide whether to make it rain, and YOU get to be accountable for YOUR decisions.

I don't care how many idiot friends he may or may not have, pushing him to act this way or that. It is HE who gets to make the judgement.

If his judgement sucks, well, soooo sorry... that will turn into HIS problem. It is not his team mates responsibility to keep him on the straight and narrow. He's a big boy. He should act like it.

But, then, the issue isn't Chad hanging with thugs, or raping women, or shooting up strip clubs, or electrocuting dogs. Criminality isn't an issue with Mr. Cinco. Maturity is. The issue is Chad is having recurring temper tantrums.

Who would want a "friend" who has temper tantrums at his age????

Never mind... I know the answer... "The Danny". If he wastes 2 draft picks on this jerk, that will truly suck.

num1skinsfan · Post by **num1skinsfan** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:33 pm

Price is real high (1st & conditional 3rd), plus his salary.... I'm on the fence on this one, I guess we have ask ourselves, what are we giving up with the 21st pick... DE speed rusher, Big Right Tackle, or "potential wideout" that might take a year to develop.... The upside of giving up the number 21 pick and getting Johnson is we have 7 more picks this year, most we have had in awhile.... lower and conditional but picks through round 8...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:47 pm

There is another option.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:24 pm

i like that option more.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:49 pm

num1skinsfan wrote:Price is real high (1st & conditional 3rd), plus his salary.... I'm on the fence on this one, I guess we have ask ourselves, what are we giving up with the 21st pick... DE speed rusher, Big Right Tackle, or "potential wideout" that might take a year to develop.... The upside of giving up the number 21 pick and getting Johnson is we have 7 more picks this year, most we have had in awhile.... lower and conditional but picks through round 8...

I think the price is TOO high for a 30 yr old with a bad attitude.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:50 pm

BnGhog wrote:Danny needs to make this happen.

CJ is elite. Bringing him here is equivalent to New England bringing in R.Moss last year, or the Pukes bringing in T.O.

He makes a huge impact. You can't deny that. That big of a impact player has not been seen on a Redskins offense sense Art Monk. He's not that kind of character, but he is already friends with many Skins, in Life it is your friends that get you in or out of trouble.

NE got Moss for a 4th rnd pick. Pukes signed TO as a FA. Big difference from a 1 & a 3 or maybe 2 1's.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:51 pm

After reading all the posts about this I'm still not convinced that this would be that good a deal for this team- we should keep all of our picks and even try and get more - we have Cerrato who is apparently the best at finding talent throughout the college ranks and we are not going to be that much better by adding this player when you consider what we have to give up.

I hope this deal does not happen AND I hope that if Johnson keeps pushing the Bengals that they let him sit for a season - that will really show how stupid both parties are.

I understand Johnson wanting to leave but I do not think he is handling the situation that he agreed to in the correct manner.

Haven · Post by **Haven** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:47 pm

I don't know, Chad Johnson is one of the best WR's in the league right now...even though dealing with his attitude might not be...so...good.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:05 pm

I'm all for this, especially considering we pick at 21 this year and probably won't be completely horrible next year. There is nobody where we are picking this year that makes me salivate.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:21 pm

Haven wrote:I don't know, Chad Johnson is one of the best WR's in the league right now...even though dealing with his attitude might not be...so...good.

He wasn't even the best receiver on his team last year.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:51 pm

I can't believe that ANYONE who posts here could think this is a good deal. And I'm not even talking about his impact on the team. I'm just talking about the deal.

I thought the whole Bailey and a very high 2 for Portis was a bad deal, or a 3rd and a 4th for TJ Duckett was a bad deal (please no beating the Bailey/Portis dead horse!), but this would trump them all.

A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead) for a 30 year old WR when the Patriot just traded a 4th for Randy Moss and a 2nd and a 7th for Wes Welker. Both of these guys out performed Ocho Cinco last year.

I can't decide who is more retarded. The Skins for offering the trade, the Bungles for turning it down, or the fans that think this is a good deal!

Never mind the fact that we have a young QB, a Rookie HC, and we want to trade for a WR that has been a royal pain in the rump to his probowl QB and veteran HC. If that doesn't have disaster written all over it I don't know what does.

But my main beef is the absurdly high draft compensation the Skins would be giving the Bungle!

THIS TEAM HASN'T LEARNED ANYTHING and WILL NEVER BE GOOD WITH THIS MENTALITY.

My only hope is that the Skins offered the deal hoping to entice the EGirls or Cowturds to make an even dumber deal and had no intentions in going through with the deal.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:58 pm

Here's something you should consider before you get your panties all twisted about us trading away all of our draft picks for CJ

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10793519

Sportsline wrote:Lewis said the Bengals haven't received a trade offer for Johnson. The club has been consistent in saying it won't trade him.

Lewis said an ESPN report that Washington had offered draft picks for Johnson was "a little errant."

"a little errant" is a nice way of saying they pulled the rumor from their dark and smelly nether-regions.

ESPN is the same group of whackos who announced the hiring of Jim Fassel as the next head coach of the Washington Redskins.

This is probably a ploy by Rosenhaus to get the fans in Cincy to put pressure on their team to get rid of Johnson by showing them what the team is "passing up."

You can take Mortenson's "unnamed source", or straight from Marvin Lewis...my money's on the man with his name next to his quote.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:00 am

and while I know it may seem like it, my previous post was not directed at skinsfan33 who hadn't posted by the time I started typing.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:33 am

Bob 0119 wrote:and while I know it may seem like it, my previous post was not directed at skinsfan33 who hadn't posted by the time I started typing.

That would be fine if it was directed at me.

I realize that I may have called anyone considering this a good deal an "retard" and if I offended anyone I'm sorry. It was not my intention to personally attack anyone.

My problem is with the apparent contempt or at least disregard the Skins seem to have for draft picks. I am glad this deal hasn't been accepted by the Bungle, but it still doesn't excuse the pure insanity of offering that much for a WR (or any player not named Brady or Peyton)! This team either has no idea of how to haggle when it come to draft picks or just doesn't care about them at all (maybe a little of both).

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:12 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:I can't believe that ANYONE who posts here could think this is a good deal. And I'm not even talking about his impact on the team. I'm just talking about the deal.

I thought the whole Bailey and a very high 2 for Portis was a bad deal, or a 3rd and a 4th for TJ Duckett was a bad deal (please no beating the Bailey/Portis dead horse!), but this would trump them all.

A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead) for a 30 year old WR when the Patriot just traded a 4th for Randy Moss and a 2nd and a 7th for Wes Welker. Both of these guys out performed Ocho Cinco last year.

I can't decide who is more retarded. The Skins for offering the trade, the Bungles for turning it down, or the fans that think this is a good deal!

Never mind the fact that we have a young QB, a Rookie HC, and we want to trade for a WR that has been a royal pain in the rump to his probowl QB and veteran HC. If that doesn't have disaster written all over it I don't know what does.

But my main beef is the absurdly high draft compensation the Skins would be giving the Bungle!

THIS TEAM HASN'T LEARNED ANYTHING and WILL NEVER BE GOOD WITH THIS MENTALITY.

My only hope is that the Skins offered the deal hoping to entice the EGirls or Cowturds to make an even dumber deal and had no intentions in going through with the deal.

The pats capitalized on the fact that welker had only had one good year and that moss was a complete dog in oakland. noone else will be able to pull off those kinds of deals for a while. this really isn't all that bad, we are picking at 21 this year, which is far from a sure thing. If the team doesnt reach incentives with chad, its only a third rounder the next year. If he performs well, the team will probly be picking at the end of the first, so its not a big deal to give it up once again. Chad Johnson is a beast, and its doubtful either first rounder would be as good and its also likely that one of the two first rounders would be somewhat of a bust that late in the first.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:48 am

Countertrey wrote:He wasn't even the best receiver on his team last year.

In all fairness to this point:
Johnson had 93 receptions for 1440 yards and 8 TD's.
Houshmandzadeh had 112 receptions for 1143 yards and 9 TD's.

On most other NFL teams 93 receptions would make a player the best receiver on his team. 1440 yards was #3 in the league. No Redskins wide receiver had anywhere close to 93 receptions, 1440 yards or 8 TD's.

T.O. had 81 receptions for 1355 yards and 15 TD's.
Jason Witten had 96 receptions for 1145 yards and 7 TD's.
Does that mean T.O. was not the best receiver on his team last season?
And did anyone tell him that? :shock:

I am not advocating giving up one definite and one potential first-round draft pick, in addition to what will undoubtedly be a huge contract, but is there anyone who honestly doesn't believe that type of production would both solve the Redskins missing receiver problem and make the existing receivers better? As much as I hate the stated terms of the offer, I'm having a hard time convincing myself this is as bad an idea as I think it is.

My 2 cents

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:47 am

GSPODS wrote:
Countertrey wrote:He wasn't even the best receiver on his team last year.

In all fairness to this point:
Johnson had 93 receptions for 1440 yards and 8 TD's.
Houshmandzadeh had 112 receptions for 1143 yards and 9 TD's.

On most other NFL teams 93 receptions would make a player the best receiver on his team. 1440 yards was #3 in the league. No Redskins wide receiver had anywhere close to 93 receptions, 1440 yards or 8 TD's.

T.O. had 81 receptions for 1355 yards and 15 TD's.
Jason Witten had 96 receptions for 1145 yards and 7 TD's.
Does that mean T.O. was not the best receiver on his team last season?
And did anyone tell him that?

I am not advocating giving up one definite and one potential first-round draft pick, in addition to what will undoubtedly be a huge contract, but is there anyone who honestly doesn't believe that type of production would both solve the Redskins missing receiver problem and make the existing receivers better? As much as I hate the stated terms of the offer, I'm having a hard time convincing myself this is as bad an idea as I think it is.

Looks like TJ was the clutch guy and Chad was the downfield guy to me. I still liek the clutch guy better....

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:13 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
Countertrey wrote:He wasn't even the best receiver on his team last year.

In all fairness to this point:
Johnson had 93 receptions for 1440 yards and 8 TD's.
Houshmandzadeh had 112 receptions for 1143 yards and 9 TD's.

On most other NFL teams 93 receptions would make a player the best receiver on his team. 1440 yards was #3 in the league. No Redskins wide receiver had anywhere close to 93 receptions, 1440 yards or 8 TD's.

T.O. had 81 receptions for 1355 yards and 15 TD's.
Jason Witten had 96 receptions for 1145 yards and 7 TD's.
Does that mean T.O. was not the best receiver on his team last season?
And did anyone tell him that?

I am not advocating giving up one definite and one potential first-round draft pick, in addition to what will undoubtedly be a huge contract, but is there anyone who honestly doesn't believe that type of production would both solve the Redskins missing receiver problem and make the existing receivers better? As much as I hate the stated terms of the offer, I'm having a hard time convincing myself this is as bad an idea as I think it is.

Looks like TJ was the clutch guy and Chad was the downfield guy to me. I still liek the clutch guy better....

No Chad was the guy who drew the double teams, TJ is the fortunate benefactor of the double teams.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:21 am

Bob 0119 wrote:Here's something you should consider before you get your panties all twisted about us trading away all of our draft picks for CJ

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10793519

Sportsline wrote:Lewis said the Bengals haven't received a trade offer for Johnson. The club has been consistent in saying it won't trade him.

Lewis said an ESPN report that Washington had offered draft picks for Johnson was "a little errant."

"a little errant" is a nice way of saying they pulled the rumor from their dark and smelly nether-regions.

ESPN is the same group of whackos who announced the hiring of Jim Fassel as the next head coach of the Washington Redskins.

This is probably a ploy by Rosenhaus to get the fans in Cincy to put pressure on their team to get rid of Johnson by showing them what the team is "passing up."

You can take Mortenson's "unnamed source", or straight from Marvin Lewis...my money's on the man with his name next to his quote.

Hmmm... Bob, you posted this at 11:58 on Tuesday evening. Would it interest you to know that Marvin Lewis CONFIRMED the trade offer at about 3:00 that same afternoon?

ESPN Chris Mortensen:
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who initially denied the team had received offers for Johnson during a Tuesday news conference, confirmed to ESPN that Cincinnati turned down Washington's offer of two picks over the weekend.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

Yes... that's about 10 hours BEFORE you posted. Astonishing though it may seem, Chris Mortensen, it seems, hit it dead on. The Danny is, officially, still an idiot.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:40 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:A 1st (when NO ONE gives up 1st any more) and a 3rd (maybe another 1st instead)

Interesting you say that, because just today the Vikings traded a 1st and TWO 3rds for Jared Allen to the Chiefs.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:08 am

brad7686 wrote:
No Chad was the guy who drew the double teams, TJ is the fortunate benefactor of the double teams.

They know that. People always want to nitpick stats to prove a point and they never look at the big picture when doing so.

Chad is Elite. Period.

He would easily bring 16 TDs to this team next year. That is a HUGE difference maker that would not be accomplished by any draft pick. Chad would bring anywhere from 8 TDs on up to as much as 14 or 15 TDs that he Could get on his own. Then add the amount Moss will get on the other side... Chad will easily bring is numbers up at least close to TJ's numbers, Maybe like 8 TDs. All of which will also help ARL get open even more his numbers would be up.

I, for one, am tired of watching game after game seeing our D hold the game within reach, just to see our offense sputter out at the end. We would be able to make a score quickly if we needed to. That alone is huge in the world of football. To be able to score slowly or score quick is a huge asset.

The only argument not to get him is the Tantrums. That's the only argument to not signing him, that SORT OF holds. All they have to do is, make an easy out in the contract, like the Pukes did with T.O. If T.O. gave them problems they can cut. Its in the contract. And you give him performance bonuses. If he performs he could be the highest paid WR, if he don't then he's not the highest paid. If he throws bad tantrums that they get tired of, they get rid of him. Its that simple.

And the age thing... Come on he is in his prime. No, he's not as young as a draft pick, but then again, it would take a draft pick serveral years the get to his level, IF THEY COULD GET to that level at all. By then they will be getting close to 30. T.O. is 34 and still kicking it. And will be at least till around 37 if he stays in shape and don't get any major injuries. That would be at the least 5 good years we could get out of Chad.

Most of the guys that don't think we should get him are just hating. Or hatting. Any reason you guys have come up with that we shouldn't get him there has been a reason that its OK and its not as bad you guys are blowing up issues. Then it turns into a replay and a never ending cycle. Because you guys are just hating on the guy! :twisted:

Can you tell I really want him bad? :lol:

I think you guys are down playing the HUGE difference he would make, and up playing the issues. The media blows them out of hand enough, and you guys are eating it up like its the gospel.