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jeremyroyce wrote:You know what and I think that I might get alot of negative attention here but I think that Marvin Lewis needs to accept some blame here. I mean the man can't keep ahold of a team together. Look how many Bengals have had trouble with the law the last few years. I know why Chad Johnson does not want to be there. And quite frankly I can't blame him.

Grown men know how they should act. If they choose not to act in accordance with the law, they will get punished. The problem is when a thug with talent makes money, the thug thinks he can do whatever he wants. Toss him to the streets where he belongs.

It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......

No, your boss shouldn't get the blame for your behavior, but if a lot of people in his organization are getting arrested, it is reasonable to question his hiring policies.

If they're getting ARRESTED AND CONVICTED, there's no additional policies that need to be put into place in addition to the STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. Goodell will handle these yahoos and I hope he throws the book at 'em.

What does that have to do with questioning the boss's hiring policies?

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:You know what and I think that I might get alot of negative attention here but I think that Marvin Lewis needs to accept some blame here. I mean the man can't keep ahold of a team together. Look how many Bengals have had trouble with the law the last few years. I know why Chad Johnson does not want to be there. And quite frankly I can't blame him.

Grown men know how they should act. If they choose not to act in accordance with the law, they will get punished. The problem is when a thug with talent makes money, the thug thinks he can do whatever he wants. Toss him to the streets where he belongs.

It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......

No, your boss shouldn't get the blame for your behavior, but if a lot of people in his organization are getting arrested, it is reasonable to question his hiring policies.

If they're getting ARRESTED AND CONVICTED, there's no additional policies that need to be put into place in addition to the STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. Goodell will handle these yahoos and I hope he throws the book at 'em.

What does that have to do with questioning the boss's hiring policies?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the boss is taking it as a given that the interviewee has the pre-disposition to stay within the law. I don't know what their pre-professional criminal records were, so if this was a CONTINUING trend as oppose to a new trend initiated in the NFL, then yes, the boss gambled. It's STILL not the boss's responsibility to enforce the state and federal laws; that's what law enforcement is for. The boss sets guidelines and enforces these guidelines when these guidelines are not adhered to, much like I raise my children.
You know the rules. You know you either adhere to the rules (in this case, the state/federal/NFL) and if you choose not to follow said rules, then you suffer. There should be NO additional 'team' rules needed in place as these are adults. This is why we have a criminal system.

There are 2 sets of guidelines. Those that are judicial and those that are guidelines as laid down by the NFL. If he's in trouble with the law, the judicial system will decide the punishment, if any. The NFL will and should add to that if the NFL thinks it is warranted.

Whether you break the law or not, there is a code of conduct that applies to being a member of the NFL. IF a player in the NFL behaves in a manner that is not against the law but is considered to be outside the code of conduct then that player will be punished by the NFL.

If a player continues to live in a manner that is indicative that he has no regard for the NFL's code of conduct even though he has never been arrested or convicted of any crime he should be looking for a job outside of the NFL and in my opinion he should never be allowed on an NFL field, well maybe every now and then they could put him in the middle of the field at half time and have everyone see what an idiot looks like

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:You know what and I think that I might get alot of negative attention here but I think that Marvin Lewis needs to accept some blame here. I mean the man can't keep ahold of a team together. Look how many Bengals have had trouble with the law the last few years. I know why Chad Johnson does not want to be there. And quite frankly I can't blame him.

Grown men know how they should act. If they choose not to act in accordance with the law, they will get punished. The problem is when a thug with talent makes money, the thug thinks he can do whatever he wants. Toss him to the streets where he belongs.

It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......

No, your boss shouldn't get the blame for your behavior, but if a lot of people in his organization are getting arrested, it is reasonable to question his hiring policies.

If they're getting ARRESTED AND CONVICTED, there's no additional policies that need to be put into place in addition to the STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. Goodell will handle these yahoos and I hope he throws the book at 'em.

What does that have to do with questioning the boss's hiring policies?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the boss is taking it as a given that the interviewee has the pre-disposition to stay within the law. I don't know what their pre-professional criminal records were, so if this was a CONTINUING trend as oppose to a new trend initiated in the NFL, then yes, the boss gambled. It's STILL not the boss's responsibility to enforce the state and federal laws; that's what law enforcement is for. The boss sets guidelines and enforces these guidelines when these guidelines are not adhered to, much like I raise my children.
You know the rules. You know you either adhere to the rules (in this case, the state/federal/NFL) and if you choose not to follow said rules, then you suffer. There should be NO additional 'team' rules needed in place as these are adults. This is why we have a criminal system.

A good manager is a good judge of character, not perfect, but good. I find it hard tp believe that disproportionate numbers of players who have recurring legal problems are on certain teams by coincidence.

Just because half of Cincy's roster has been arrested in the last year, don't blame Marvin Lewis. He managed to keep half of his team out of jail, which is more than can be said for Jerry Jones.[/quote]

I disagree. Marvin Lewis has had his say in signing players and drafting players and there were 10 players for the Bengals that had been arrested and the Bengals NEVER had this problem until Marvin Lewis got there. Jerry Jones? I wasn't talking about Jerry Jones what does he have to do with the Bengals?

Grown men know how they should act. If they choose not to act in accordance with the law, they will get punished. The problem is when a thug with talent makes money, the thug thinks he can do whatever he wants. Toss him to the streets where he belongs.[/quote]

Maybe when you go through a tough time in your life where you make some bad decisions in your life maybe someone should toss you into the street where you belong.

It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......[/quote]

Nobody said that a grown man should not take responsibility for his actions. All I said is that Marvin Lewis needs to take some as well, He has 10 players that are getting arrested and the Bengals NEVER had this problem until he became head coach.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Isn't that one of the best party schools in the country?

Yes. They are known for having the best moonshine in the country

jeremyroyce wrote:It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......

Nobody said that a grown man should not take responsibility for his actions. All I said is that Marvin Lewis needs to take some as well, He has 10 players that are getting arrested and the Bengals NEVER had this problem until he became head coach.[/quote]


Is the coach there 24/7? SHOULD he have to be? No. The only fault I could say is that the scouts don't take into consideration character flaws that could cause issues such as the oens they're having. And a "rough period" could cause a number of people to lose their jobs, myself included. These guys sign contracts for big money, and I think it's safe to assume(I'll take that chance here) that they are WELL INFORMED of what is expected of them. These are not 5 year olds testing their boundaries. They're old enough and allegedly smart enough (since they went to college they are allegedly getting higher education) to know right from wrong? Blaming a coach for a bad player is just a TAD bit different than blaming a parent for a brat in the supermarket knocking down a display.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:It's completely insane to say a grown man isn't responsible for his actions. That is EXCATLY what's wrong with people now; not enough responsibility for one's own actions. Should my boss get blame b/c I go to jail? HELL NO. It was MY decision, MY consequences. What a hairbrained thought......

Nobody said that a grown man should not take responsibility for his actions. All I said is that Marvin Lewis needs to take some as well, He has 10 players that are getting arrested and the Bengals NEVER had this problem until he became head coach.

Is the coach there 24/7? SHOULD he have to be? No. The only fault I could say is that the scouts don't take into consideration character flaws that could cause issues such as the oens they're having. And a "rough period" could cause a number of people to lose their jobs, myself included. These guys sign contracts for big money, and I think it's safe to assume(I'll take that chance here) that they are WELL INFORMED of what is expected of them. These are not 5 year olds testing their boundaries. They're old enough and allegedly smart enough (since they went to college they are allegedly getting higher education) to know right from wrong? Blaming a coach for a bad player is just a TAD bit different than blaming a parent for a brat in the supermarket knocking down a display.[/quote]

You know I actually have been saying this for awhile now about Marvin Lewis but I have not posted anythin on him until now. But, yeah he should be held accoutable for this and no he is not there 24/7 but he has to be able to keep his team together. Here is an article that I completly agree with here.

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/JL ... ch_Hotseat


Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati

Even though they have had some decent seasons, the "Concinnati" Bengals have been in OZ more times than Dorothy or Tobias Beecher. The reason he's on the hot seat is simple: He can't control his players' off the field antics. Not exactly a good thing if you're a draft pick who is getting ready to come out and play in the pros.

After Chris Henry got arrested for the fifth or sixth time (I even lost count), people are starting to wonder if Chad Johnson is making the right decision in sticking around. The worst that has happened to Ocho Cinco is fines for his on the field fun antics. For Marvin Lewis, he has yet to go a year without one member of the Bengals organization getting busted for something completely retarded. Anyone else think that someone in Cincy was the real reason for Spygate?

Here's a thought, Marvin: Straighten them up or Pack it up.

The main reason I give some of the blame to Marvin Lewis. Is because I have seen no reports of disciplinary actions by Marvin. See BLloyd vs Gibbs or Arrington vs Williams. Sure Arringtons issues were different. But think of what would happen to a Skin under Gibbs if he got arrested for some drug charge.

Gibbs or any good coach would not wait and let the NFL do its punishments.

I would feel that if the NFL is suspending a player before the team does, the team has no discipline for its players. In some cases you hear of the team doing its own disciplinary actions, and sometimes the NFL will respect that and lessen their actions with respect to the team itself trying to their own punishment.

With this many bad seeds, Marvin should have been preaching this to these guys at every single meating and practice. And should be doing is own punishment for these guys. If a coach don't do this, the players feel like "Marivn will still let me play, I just got watch out for the NFL commish"