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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
GSPODS wrote:So, Moss averages more receptions per game, more yardage per game, and almost an identical yards per reception. The TD comparison is clearly where Burress has an advantage. Overall , Moss is the better receiver.


Now I'm not saying that Moss isn't as good or is not as good but the last time I checked....TD's win games.

And I believe he had a game sealing Superbowl TD also.

I drink the kool-aid dranky drank too but lets put a bit less sugar in it this round.


It isn't the Kool-Aid that I've been drinking. That's another story. The point is that if you need receptions and yardage, you want Santana Moss over Plexico Burress. If you want touchdowns, you want anyone over Santana Moss, literally. The league's leading touchdown scoring receivers are all over 6'0".

Randy Moss 6-4
Braylon Edwards 6-3
Terrell Owens 6-3
Plaxico Burress 6-5
T.J. Houshmandzadeh 6-1
Greg Jennings 5-11?
Nate Burleson 6-0
Marques Colston 6-4
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GSPODS wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:2007 New York Giants 16 16 70 1,025 14.6 60T 12
2006 New York Giants 15 15 63 988 15.7 55T 10
2005 New York Giants 16 15 76 1,214 16.0 78T 7

compared to Moss

2007 Wash Redskins 14 14 61 808 13.2 49 3
2006 Wash Redskins 14 14 55 790 14.4 68T 6
2005 Wash Redskins 16 16 84 1,483 17.7 78T 9


Burress - 209 receptions divided by 47 games played equals 4.45 receptions per game average, 3227 yards divided by 47 games played equals 68.66 YPG average, 15.43 YPC Average, 29 TDs divided by 47 games played equals 0.6 TD per game average.

Moss - 200 receptions divided by 44 games played equals 4.54 receptions per game average, 3081 yards divided by 44 games played equals 70.02 YPG average, 15.1 YPC Average, 18TDs divided by 44 games played equals 0.41 TD per game average.

So, Moss averages more receptions per game, more yardage per game, and almost an identical yards per reception. The TD comparison is clearly where Burress has an advantage. Overall , Moss is the better receiver.

I think we agree the Redskins need more end zone threats, and if height alone is the key to red zone scoring, line Mix and McMullen up on the same side of the formation as Cooley and Sellers and let's see anyone cover them all.


If you notice, though, Moss has had 1 great year and 2 mediocre at best years. I see Burress more consistant by far which was my point.
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I am excited about the pick...I disagree about that there is no talent on the third round, we just need to do our homework and be smart. Also, rememeber that sometimes it is a little bit of luck with this picks.
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GSPODS wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:2007 New York Giants 16 16 70 1,025 14.6 60T 12
2006 New York Giants 15 15 63 988 15.7 55T 10
2005 New York Giants 16 15 76 1,214 16.0 78T 7

compared to Moss

2007 Wash Redskins 14 14 61 808 13.2 49 3
2006 Wash Redskins 14 14 55 790 14.4 68T 6
2005 Wash Redskins 16 16 84 1,483 17.7 78T 9


Burress - 209 receptions divided by 47 games played equals 4.45 receptions per game average, 3227 yards divided by 47 games played equals 68.66 YPG average, 15.43 YPC Average, 29 TDs divided by 47 games played equals 0.6 TD per game average.

Moss - 200 receptions divided by 44 games played equals 4.54 receptions per game average, 3081 yards divided by 44 games played equals 70.02 YPG average, 15.1 YPC Average, 18TDs divided by 44 games played equals 0.41 TD per game average.

So, Moss averages more receptions per game, more yardage per game, and almost an identical yards per reception. The TD comparison is clearly where Burress has an advantage. Overall , Moss is the better receiver.

I think we agree the Redskins need more end zone threats, and if height alone is the key to red zone scoring, line Mix and McMullen up on the same side of the formation as Cooley and Sellers and let's see anyone cover them all.


Mix has 3 career receptions. McMullen was out of football last yr. There is no reason to expect them to be stars this year.
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yupchagee wrote:Mix has 3 career receptions. McMullen was out of football last yr. There is no reason to expect them to be stars this year.


Moss had a whopping three touchdown receptions last season. How much of a star does one have to be to equal or better that pathetic total?
Anyone taller than the defender could do that much by accident. That's obviously the problem. Moss isn't taller than the defender. Neither is Randle-El. How difficult can it be to take one step over the goal line, turn around, and catch the ball when you have two feet of reach on the defensive back?
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GSPODS wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Mix has 3 career receptions. McMullen was out of football last yr. There is no reason to expect them to be stars this year.


Moss had a whopping three touchdown receptions last season. How much of a star does one have to be to equal or better that pathetic total?
Anyone taller than the defender could do that much by accident. That's obviously the problem. Moss isn't taller than the defender. Neither is Randle-El. How difficult can it be to take one step over the goal line, turn around, and catch the ball when you have two feet of reach on the defensive back?


If that's true, why isn't every tall WR in the pro bowl every year?
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yupchagee wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Mix has 3 career receptions. McMullen was out of football last yr. There is no reason to expect them to be stars this year.


Moss had a whopping three touchdown receptions last season. How much of a star does one have to be to equal or better that pathetic total?
Anyone taller than the defender could do that much by accident. That's obviously the problem. Moss isn't taller than the defender. Neither is Randle-El. How difficult can it be to take one step over the goal line, turn around, and catch the ball when you have two feet of reach on the defensive back?


If that's true, why isn't every tall WR in the pro bowl every year?


Randy Moss? 6-4
Terrell Owens? 6-3
Braylon Edwards? 6-3
Marques Colston? 6-4
T.J. Houshmandzadeh? 6-0
Chad Johnson? 6-2

Not that the ProBowl is a fair assessment of anything, given who elects the players, but I think these receivers may have been there. They also happened to lead the NFL in touchdown receptions last season. Houshmandzadeh is the shortest of them at 6'0".
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From NFL.com

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)
Round 2, Pick 20 (51)
Round 3, Pick 21 (84)
Round 3, Pick 33 (96)
Round 5, Pick 19 (154)
Round 6, Pick 20 (186)
Round 7, Pick 21 (228)
Round 7, Pick 35 (242)
Round 7, Pick 42 (249)

Fact remains that we have the opportunity to upgrade our team with these picks. "Luck" is a factor BUT teams can make their own luck by only selecting the players that help make their team's better. We do not need to select players who are going to be great NFL players, we need players who will make this team better.

Players with great stats are not nearly as important as players who make teams have better stats as a result of their presence on the field with the other players around them. Selecting a player who seems to have all the ability in the world means very little if he is not playing on a team that he makes better.

This is not baseball where it is essentially hitter vrs pitcher - in the NFL if you have a player with great talent (like a Sean Alexander) and you do not make sure the rest of the components are there (like a great offensive line) then suddenly the great player is just another NFL player.

The fact remains that we have a bunch of young, inexperienced players that we are going to be adding to our team. Cerrato is purportedly one of the greats at "finding" talented players from the college ranks! :shock: We need him to show us this "ability" in this year's draft. We need Cerrato to make our "luck" be the best it can be for this team. I do not care if he can predict who is going to be a great player in the NFL - that is not nearly as important as finding players who make this team better and doing it now.


This is the NFL and some players do better on different teams because the team suits them better - if you asked me who would I rather have, Burress or Moss? I would have to pick Moss because I'm sure about what he can do - all I know about Burress is that he sometimes looks pretty good playing for a hopeless coach and overrated QB :lol: Maybe I don't know Burress that well but he does not appear to apply himself to playing very hard.
I'm fairly sure the Giants would have still won that game without him
BTW - IMO, they are still not as good a team as we are and now Cerrato and his bunch get all these picks to make our team even better :wink:
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GSPODS wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Mix has 3 career receptions. McMullen was out of football last yr. There is no reason to expect them to be stars this year.


Moss had a whopping three touchdown receptions last season. How much of a star does one have to be to equal or better that pathetic total?
Anyone taller than the defender could do that much by accident. That's obviously the problem. Moss isn't taller than the defender. Neither is Randle-El. How difficult can it be to take one step over the goal line, turn around, and catch the ball when you have two feet of reach on the defensive back?


If that's true, why isn't every tall WR in the pro bowl every year?


Randy Moss? 6-4
Terrell Owens? 6-3
Braylon Edwards? 6-3
Marques Colston? 6-4
T.J. Houshmandzadeh? 6-0
Chad Johnson? 6-2

Not that the ProBowl is a fair assessment of anything, given who elects the players, but I think these receivers may have been there. They also happened to lead the NFL in touchdown receptions last season. Houshmandzadeh is the shortest of them at 6'0".


You missed my point. Height is a plus, but height alone means nothing. Mix & McMullen are tall, I'm not disputing that. I am disputing the claim that height alone will make them good NFL receivers.
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SkinsJock wrote:The fact remains that we have a bunch of young, inexperienced players that we are going to be adding to our team. Cerrato is purportedly one of the greats at "finding" talented players from the college ranks! :shock: We need him to show us this "ability" in this year's draft. We need Cerrato to make our "luck" be the best it can be for this team. I do not care if he can predict who is going to be a great player in the NFL - that is not nearly as important as finding players who make this team better and doing it now.


Good post, man. I agree. I hope we bring in some young guys with potential, signed to reasonable contracts for a while. Maybe then we can quit overpaying for FA guys to patch all of the holes on this team.

Obviously, not every pick in this bunch is going to pan out. But four picks in the first three rounds is nice. We should be able to get some quality in there.

I'm just hyped to get to enjoy the draft this year!

btw I'm sure we'll have a little better idea over the next few weeks but I'm getting REALLY curious which way they'll go with that first pick.
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yupchagee wrote:You missed my point. Height is a plus, but height alone means nothing. Mix & McMullen are tall, I'm not disputing that. I am disputing the claim that height alone will make them good NFL receivers.


So, the height of your 24 point "am" alone means nothing? :P

I'll agree with that point. No skill set guarantees a player will be a good NFL receiver. Ten fail for every one who makes the roster.
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riggofan wrote:... I'm just hyped to get to enjoy the draft this year!

btw I'm sure we'll have a little better idea over the next few weeks but I'm getting REALLY curious which way they'll go with that first pick.


I am looking forward to the draft but I'm also looking forward to all the hype and BS that will happen in the days leading up to it :lol:

We already have seen a WR who in college was 6'0" and at the combine was measured in at 5' 9" :shock: want to bet that some team has had a "special" tape made to ensure there are some questions about this guy :wink: there is an awful lot of mis-information being passed out and the "stuff" is going to get thicker in these next few weeks 8)
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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