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In some ways, it doesn't matter what Snyder does. The NFC East is going to be as tough as ever. I think fans should either support the team and enjoy the ride or find another interest.

This team isn't going to be a joke. After some early growing pains, I expect them to be solid. But expecting anything more than an 8-8 season is probably wishful thinking.

We might be an 8-8 team this year but I know we will be better than two other teams in the NFC East

SkinsJock wrote:We might be an 8-8 team this year but I know we will be better than two other teams in the NFC East

We'll be better without Gibbs at the throttle. His fears were a major reason for 4-5 losses last year, and his handling of other aspects of his job was poor. We needed a younger guy without such trenchant notions.
The whole Brunell affair was beyond absurd and set us back considerably... and then there were those insane losses of personnel and worse acquisitions.

Unless Zorn proves equally without a clue, we'll be better this year and play closer to our talent level, which is close to that of the Cowboys and Giants.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:We might be an 8-8 team this year but I know we will be better than two other teams in the NFC East

We'll be better without Gibbs at the throttle. His fears were a major reason for 4-5 losses last year, and his handling of other aspects of his job was poor. We needed a younger guy without such trenchant notions.
The whole Brunell affair was beyond absurd and set us back considerably... and then there were those insane losses of personnel and worse acquisitions.

Unless Zorn proves equally without a clue, we'll be better this year and play closer to our talent level, which is close to that of the Cowboys and Giants.

This is a reasonable assessment, I think. Can't argue.

And your basing this thread or post on what analysis.. You sound like a fairweather fan .... give Zorn a shot, he has good credentials and there is alot on talent on our team... we need a few additions via free agency and or the draft... what makes you think hiring Bill Cower would make us instant contenders... be patient and have a little faith bro .... we are moving in the right direction...

I believe that Joe Gibbs is the best living football coach, and one of the three or four all-time greats. Williams and Saunders should have been given the team, and, of course, Snyder should have hire a real general manager and devoted himself to promoting the team.

Oh well. When I become absolute monarch of the US, there will 8 teams in each Major League, and the "Twins" will move back to their home town. Gibbs will be "coach for life", and I'll make him ten years younger (human growth hormone??) However...

Unless and until Zorn fouls up, I will expect the team to build from last December's run. If nothing else, Zorn has played and coached in the NFL. That puts him far ahead of <he who shall not be named but who coached before Gibbs...and I don't mean Jack Pardee!>

soooo.. i just read the first post on this thread.

worst thread ever

This team is just coming off a playoff appearance. I think this team is good enough to get to the playoffs again. Basically improve upon the positive momentum that has already been gained. So far we seem to be cutting the extra weight. We still have the core players who actually produce. THe O line should be healthy and ready to go. If Zorn can add a couple missing pieces we should be fine next year.

I agree with the post, and that's not being a fair weather fan it's called being realistic. We had the best candidates for the HC job already on the staff and Snyder let them walk. I disagree with some on here who say we have the talent to have a good team. Joe Gibbs is known for bringing the best out of average players, he has proven. We need D line help, a true #1 WR, help in the defensive backfield, not to mention Campbell and the offense is going to have to learn a west coast offense that I'm not so sure we have the personel for. Some are joking on here about how everyone was saying we'd be in "cap hell" and have to cut a lot of players to get under the cap. Well we are in cap hell in a way that we are locked into alot of average players and are unable to cut them without it killing our cap. Don't get me started on Snyder and Vinny picking the coordinators before naming a head coach. Snyder needs to step back and be an owner and let someone else run the day to day football stuff. This is why I didnt' renew my season tickets this year, I can't justify spending my hard earned money to support this.

1fan4ramsey wrote:I agree with the post, and that's not being a fair weather fan it's called being realistic.

We've got a thread to be realistic in but your post would be wrong in that one also.

1fan4ramsey wrote:We had the best candidates for the HC job already on the staff and Snyder let them walk.

Why didn't either of them get offers last year when four first time HC got there shots. Or when Atlanta had to turn to a guy out of the NCAA who went back to where he came from before the season even ended. There has to be reason that they are only co-ordinators. No one looked at them as HC but soon they became available for the same jobs they had they were snapped right up.

1fan4ramsey wrote:I disagree with some on here who say we have the talent to have a good team. Joe Gibbs is known for bringing the best out of average players, he has proven.

Gibbs took over a 5-11 team and went to the playoff 50% of the time during his four year back most recently the past season. Meaning the team does have the talent, even with all of the injuries and the thing in Miami they still made it to the post season, they played to a level that the division sent 75% of it's teams to the post season.

1fan4ramsey wrote:We need D line help, a true #1 WR, help in the defensive backfield,

And the off-season is what 3 days old with the draft 7 weeks away, needs can be filled.

1fan4ramsey wrote:not to mention Campbell and the offense is going to have to learn a west coast offense that I'm not so sure we have the personel for. Some are joking on here about how everyone was saying we'd be in "cap hell" and have to cut a lot of players to get under the cap. Well we are in cap hell in a way that we are locked into alot of average players and are unable to cut them without it killing our cap.

What cap hell are you talking about? Who can't they cut that they want to get rid of. They even re-worked Brunell's contract last year so it could be voided this year. They let AA go around the same time that Jimoh was released Arch is off the books Ade ain't. If you want to be realistic "the Danny" and Vinny do a great job with what they pay the players. Getting them to pay the right players is the issue

1fan4ramsey wrote:Don't get me started on Snyder and Vinny picking the coordinators before naming a head coach. Snyder needs to step back and be an owner and let someone else run the day to day football stuff.

TtiT did the same thing last year and won the NFC East and when they did it no one complained
They said that the son of a Bum was only keeping the seat warm for Garret. For the record Vinny and "the Danny" only moved the D-line coach up to DC and kept the rest of the staff on that side of the ball intact.
Saying they hire the OC before the HC is complaining just to complain considering they later gave the HC job to the OC who then went out and got HIS OWN OC, RB coach Ofensive assistants. Again they kept most of the staff in tact. So they have provided Zorn with a staff that has been in the building for the past 5 years, no worries as far as what needs to be done on the defensive side of the ball because the players and coaches are the same group that has carry this team year in and year out.

Norv Turner did better last year than anyone that has ever been inside the Beltway could ever amagine but he did it with the same staff from the year before... Minus Marty and his two co-ordinators

Countertrey wrote:Can't argue.

I thought you said you could argue ANYTHING no matter how reasonable it may appear to have been!?!

Um...no wait, that was me. Never mind.

Norv Turner did better last year than anyone that has ever been inside the Beltway could ever amagine but he did it with the same staff from the year before... Minus Marty and his two co-ordinators

I think that's do to the way the do business out in SD here's a nice article I wish Danny and Vinny would read!

With a stocked young roster — much of which is under contract through at least the 2009 season — the Chargers have no need to make major forays into the market. But two of their own unsigned veterans — cornerback Drayton Florence and running back Michael Turner — are considered locks to leave for lucrative deals elsewhere.
That's fine with Chargers general manager A.J. Smith, who plans on receiving compensation in the 2009 NFL draft for their imminent departure.


Smith says he expects the NFL to ultimately award San Diego third- and fourth-round compensatory picks for Florence and Turner.

Compensatory selections are given when a team loses more free agents than it signs. San Diego was the only club that didn't add a veteran free agent during last year's signing period, a trend likely to continue this off-season.

While the exact formula remains a heavily guarded NFL secret, the quality of player lost figures into the equation that determines the compensatory pick level. So does other criteria like salary, playing time and postseason honors.

A maximum of four compensatory picks for free-agent losses are awarded the following year. Those selections cannot be traded and come at the end of rounds three through seven. The 2008 list will be released by early April.

Smith received 2007 third- and fifth-round choices following the departure of multiple players, including quarterback Drew Brees (New Orleans). Smith expects to score a 2008 fourth-round pick for linebacker Donnie Edwards, who signed last off-season with Kansas City.

Smith admits he would rather gamble on finding good players through the draft than compete with other teams to sign veterans.

"If I went out and got two or three high-priced free agents, it would cancel out the compensation I'll be getting for Drayton and Michael," Smith said. "You can't play that game in free agency. It doesn't work. This is a great way to double-up picks."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7851346/Chargers-don't-play-free-agency-game

welch wrote:I believe that Joe Gibbs is the best living football coach, and one of the three or four all-time greats. Williams and Saunders should have been given the team, and, of course, Snyder should have hire a real general manager and devoted himself to promoting the team.

Oh well. When I become absolute monarch of the US, there will 8 teams in each Major League, and the "Twins" will move back to their home town. Gibbs will be "coach for life", and I'll make him ten years younger (human growth hormone??) However...

Unless and until Zorn fouls up, I will expect the team to build from last December's run. If nothing else, Zorn has played and coached in the NFL. That puts him far ahead of <he who shall not be named but who coached before Gibbs...and I don't mean Jack Pardee!>

That's the whole problem right there. I have nothing against Jim Zorn and I hope he does well. But this owner appears to be so arrogant that he does not need a "qualified" GM that it is to the detriment of this team and it's fans. There are plenty of examples from other teams with GM's that make good moves to improve their ball clubs. But us, we have an owner that relies on his raquetball buddy/yes man and his ability to play fantasy football to run this organization. And right now, we haven't made any moves in free agency yet. Is it because we are just being cool or is it that we don't know what we are doing???

roybus14 wrote:And right now, we haven't made any moves in free agency yet. Is it because we are just being cool or is it that we don't know what we are doing???

I'd like to think it is because the Redskins already have a playoff caliber team and have finally figured out they don't have to mortgage the future of the team every offseason by overspending for mediocre talent. At the very least, I'm willing to give The Danny the benefit of the doubt until he gives me a reason not to. So far, The Danny hasn't done anything stupid in the free agency category. We'll have to wait and see if this is a new philosophy or a flash in the pan trend.

1niksder wrote:

1fan4ramsey wrote:]We need D line help, a true #1 WR, help in the defensive backfield,

And the off-season is what 3 days old with the draft 7 weeks away, needs can be filled.

No! The Sky is Falling! It's all over!!!

1fan4ramsey wrote:not to mention Campbell and the offense is going to have to learn a west coast offense

1nik already covered the second part of this. Campbell played in the West Coast offense his senior season at Auburn, his best year as a college player. I think he's probably far more comfortable in that than in Al Saunder's "throw to a spot" offense.

1fan4ramsey wrote:Don't get me started on Snyder and Vinny picking the coordinators before naming a head coach. Snyder needs to step back and be an owner and let someone else run the day to day football stuff.

TtiT did the same thing last year and won the NFC East and when they did it no one complained
They said that the son of a Bum was only keeping the seat warm for Garret. For the record Vinny and "the Danny" only moved the D-line coach up to DC and kept the rest of the staff on that side of the ball intact.
Saying they hire the OC before the HC is complaining just to complain considering they later gave the HC job to the OC who then went out and got HIS OWN OC, RB coach Ofensive assistants. Again they kept most of the staff in tact. So they have provided Zorn with a staff that has been in the building for the past 5 years, no worries as far as what needs to be done on the defensive side of the ball because the players and coaches are the same group that has carry this team year in and year out.

Lol. OH NOS SNYDER HIRED AN OC BEFORE HE HIRED A HEAD COACH! That's seriously one of the dumbest arguments ever. Maybe it'd matter if he hired the OC and then a HC, but he hired the OC...then hired that OC AS the head coach.

Are we in the burn down your neighbor's house stage of panic yet? I really hope I didn't jump the gun (again)

Fios wrote:Are we in the burn down your neighbor's house stage of panic yet? I really hope I didn't jump the gun (again)

Again, my styrofoam friend, you seem to be running afoul of the law.

Arson is a felony...

PulpExposure wrote:

Fios wrote:Are we in the burn down your neighbor's house stage of panic yet? I really hope I didn't jump the gun (again)

Again, my styrofoam friend, you seem to be running afoul of the law.

Arson is a felony...

Only if the alleged arsonist is convicted. Otherwise, it is more like pyrotechnic arts.

PulpExposure wrote:

Fios wrote:Are we in the burn down your neighbor's house stage of panic yet? I really hope I didn't jump the gun (again)

Again, my styrofoam friend, you seem to be running afoul of the law.

Arson is a felony...

Isn't there a sub-law which says "it isn't felonious if it's hilarious"? Because I laughed

Fios wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

Fios wrote:Are we in the burn down your neighbor's house stage of panic yet? I really hope I didn't jump the gun (again)

Again, my styrofoam friend, you seem to be running afoul of the law.

Arson is a felony...

Isn't there a sub-law which says "it isn't felonious if it's hilarious"? Because I laughed

Are you laughing because PE called you styrofoam? Or is it because there are no laws which allow for the prosecution of cups? OK. This has gone far enough off-topic, so watch this half-witted attempt to segue back onto the topic ... At least the Redskins aren't having a fire sale on all of their talent this off-season, like some other teams seem to be having.

I don't think we are going to be a great team this year and I also don't think we are going to be too bad - we were lucky to win some of our games last year and unlucky to lose some games We did manage to get into the playoffs and played well at the end of the season.

There is a change in offensive philosophy with a new Head Coach BUT in my opinion we have an opportunity to be a little more "exciting" on offense (dare I say "less predictable"
I'm not sure with a few tweaks and additions if we will not be as good or even better defensively - Special Teams is always iffy

Soooo .... now we come down to the off season additions and the draft and we are witnessing a very different approach (dare we say conservative ) and there exists a possibility of not making decisions that leave us with no draft picks the next 2 years - I'm a little encouraged and think we might have become a bit better by doing nothing so far and seem to be taking a long look at how we can improve without hurting our future - we just might be a better team, in all aspects.

I think our defense will be just as good and maybe even a bit better with a few additions. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd be willing to bet our offense under Zorn puts up more yards and points in 2008 than Gibbs' and Saunders' offense did in 2007.

SkinsFreak wrote:I think our defense will be just as good and maybe even a bit better with a few additions. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd be willing to bet our offense under Zorn puts up more yards and points in 2008 than Gibbs' and Saunders' offense did in 2007.

count me in