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Posted: **Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:53 pm**

I would be shocked to find out that no one would be willing to take him off our hands. If we can save on the cap, the get rid of him. If I recall, we need about 8mil to cut.

Posted: **Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:59 am**

Dudes going to be a casualty cuz he sucks.........Cya have fun rapping brandon!

Posted: **Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:32 pm**

SkinsFreak wrote:It will be interesting to see how Zorn treats this situation and how this ultimately plays out.

I think how Zorn handles the Lloyd situation will say a lot about him as a coach.

For the most part, I was a Brandon Lloyd supporter when he was first signed but he is a bust. It is best the Skins cut their losses and go after a free agent Wide Reciever or draft one. Personally, I hope they get Jerry Porter. I would say go after Chad Johnson but he will cost an arm and a leg to get. With so many other holes to fill it would not be prudent to pursue Johnson.

Posted: **Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:25 pm**

I'd be surprised if Lloyd is here next year. That being said, someone "affordable" is going to be an effective big wideout for this team this season and I believe the opportunity will go to the guy that shows he's going to be effective and more importantly that he will work harder than anyone else for that job. That could be Lloyd but only if he shows this group he is a different man than we heard about last year.

Our big WR is not going to be Chad Johnson - Zorn will not want that in his locker room and that is who will be selecting the players this year with Cerrato and Snyder's support. :lol:

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:01 am**

Personally, I would have him restructure to get rid of that cap hit, and if he refused to rework the deal, then he'd be released right away.

If he agrees to rework the deal, I'd do that, and then work his rear off in pre-season, and let him win a spot on the roster. If he didn't show promise and work hard, or if someone else just beat him out... then release him.

The point is, make it so it doesn't cost us anymore than it already has, and see if you can get something back from him. Why not make him compete for the job this time around...ya never know, that might be all he needs to get his rear in line.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:33 am**

My whole thing is this, if we're gonna keep him, USE HIM.. if not, than let the man go play somewhere else where he may have a chance.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:35 am**

Bigger role? How could Lloyd possibly remain on the active roster and have any smaller of a role? The team mascot and the waterboy saw more field last season.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:29 pm**

Brandon Lloyd: Redskins' Problematic Expense

by Rich Tandler

Prior to the 2006 season, the Redskins gave up two mid-round draft picks and $10 million to obtain Brandon Lloyd from the 49ers. But the team received little in return: 25 catches for 379 yards and zero TDs, plus an attitude that has ranged ever so widely from lackadaisical to nonchalant.

So what should the Redskins do with him? Here are the options and the ramifications of each (all salary cap data courtesy of PC’s Redskins Salary Cap site):

One: Cut him now

Lloyd is scheduled to count $4.2 million against the cap in 2008. If the Redskins were to do a straight cut right now there would be an acceleration of $7.1 million in signing and option bonuses already paid. That totals for a net charge of $2.9 million against the cap (negative savings, if you will). This option would allow for a clean start under the new coaching staff, it would get him off the books, and eliminate a lingering cap hit.

Option Two: Cut him now, designated as a June 1st waiver

This maneuver heads into its second year: a team can cut a player at the start of free agency, but arrange to have the cap hit come as though the move took place after June 1st. This option would push most of Lloyd’s dead cap into 2009. The Redskins would save $2.4 million of cap money this year (although it would stay on the books until 6/1), with a dead cap charge of $5.3 million in 2009.

Option Three: Cut him after June

The early June 1st cut is advantageous primarily to the player, giving him a chance to find a job while the market is still lively. While it’s highly unlikely that a team would give up a player or a pick for Lloyd, it might be worth keeping him around on the slim chance that someone might.

Option Four: Give him a shot at earning a roster spot

If the Redskins go with either Option Two or Three, they still will be hamstrung in free agency because that $2.4 million in savings won’t be available to them until after June 1st. As long as that’s the case, why not see if he can be productive with a fresh start? A new offense under a new coaching staff?

In the event that Lloyd performs well, it’s a plus for Zorn and the team finally gets some return on its investment.

If Lloyd doesn’t do well (the more likely outcome), the Redskins can cut him in camp and put the $2.4 million in savings toward extending Jason Campbell, or filling a need arising due to injury. This move, however, would necessitate negotiating a $1.5 million roster bonus that Lloyd is due on July 15th.

It’s possible that Lloyd will agree to this as he’ll be unable to make the $1 million in salary he’s due in ‘08 anywhere else. Possible, but unlikely.

If it were up to me, I’d go with either Option One or Four. You get rid of him, take your lumps, and move on—or give him a shot at doing something (assuming of course, the deletion of the roster bonus).

Of course, if I were in charge I would have done a simple Google search prior to making the deal. I would have made sure I knew what I was getting into. But that’s beside the point.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:27 pm**

Of course, if I were in charge I would have done a simple Google search prior to making the deal. I would have made sure I knew what I was getting into. But that’s beside the point.

Hahaha, so true.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:03 pm**

This dude Lloyd has more lives than a chinese cat.

How many yeras have we had this discussion?

It's amazing he wasn´t cut after all the problems he had during the Gibbs era.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:23 am**

It's amazing he wasn´t cut after all the problems he had during the Gibbs era.

So...Lloyd is more effective than Williams and Saunders amd Rock Cartright? He stays and they go?

Or is it just a matter of time?

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:56 am**

Rock wants to start at RB and wants premium salary for a KR/PR, which he's not. He's solid, due largely to the ST coach with blocking lanes IMO. Rock DOES NOT have breakaway speed and he's not overly agile. He hits the hole hard and fast and get as much as he can get. He won't outrun a speedy tackler and he's not going ot break many tackels either. THAT'S why Rock is going.....

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:24 am**

BMitch was not a burner but he consistently picked up a lot of yards on kickoffs and P/R's. Now Rock doesn't run back punts (which I don't understand). I think he is worth a decent salary...above the minimum but not worth breaking the bank. He should know that he's not going to start anywhere. He will fill the role as someones backup or be a kick returner like he is here.

Deshawn Foster is available and the draft is stocked with RB's. He is going to have to wait until after the start of the season for injuries to hit for something to come along.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:31 pm**

Everything I said was what he said in an interview in December/early January.

BMitch was also a 3rd down back and I think he had more talent behind the QB than Rock does. I think Rock would be good for a moderate salary, but he's expecting $2m guaranteed, which I don't htink he's worth.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:36 pm**

I hope that the team doesn't undervalue Rock's contributions to the team. Despite not being the fastest guy and perhaps not having the home run ability as a kick returner, he is one of the better returners in the NFL. He was 2nd in the NFC in yards per return last season. In addition, his contributions to the team as a leader should not be overlooked. There's been all this talk in recent years about the importance of core Redskins, but when the time comes to re-sign them their value appears to diminish in the eyes of the front office.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:52 pm**

Perhaps Lloyd should train as a kick returner/punt returner, just to get more bang for the buck. We can then let Rock go.

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:53 pm**

If we can't deal him before camp, then give him a fresh start starting in min-camp with a "very short" leash...

Posted: **Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:07 pm**

What has Llyod done to suggest that he is better than the other receivers? Even better than either old-timer that the Skins picked up during the season when Moss, ARE, and Thrash were hurt?

Has Lloyd ever been as good as McCardell, for instance?

Why, Art Monk is 50 years old, and looks trim. If Monk un-retured and trained a bit, I suspect that he would be better than Lloyd. :wink:

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:07 am**

A source said the Redskins don't believe the Cincinnati Bengals will trade Chad Johnson. One possibility on the roster is Brandon Lloyd, the former high-priced acquisition who fell into disfavor under former coach Joe Gibbs. Lloyd could be a candidate to be released, but Zorn said he'd like to speak to Lloyd first.

"He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

Regardless of the eventual outcome, I like the fact that Zorn wants to establish his own opinion on the matter. Lloyd does, in fact, know the WCO, still has some play in him, and maybe, just maybe, a new attitude and a fresh start, with a new coach, could possibly bring more positive results. We'll see.

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:14 pm**

SkinsFreak wrote:
A source said the Redskins don't believe the Cincinnati Bengals will trade Chad Johnson. One possibility on the roster is Brandon Lloyd, the former high-priced acquisition who fell into disfavor under former coach Joe Gibbs. Lloyd could be a candidate to be released, but Zorn said he'd like to speak to Lloyd first.

"He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

Regardless of the eventual outcome, I like the fact that Zorn wants to establish his own opinion on the matter. Lloyd does, in fact, know the WCO, still has some play in him, and maybe, just maybe, a new attitude and a fresh start, with a new coach, could possibly bring more positive results. We'll see.

Maybe, but we will have to make a decision before his roster bonus is due.

Posted: **Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:26 pm**

num1skinsfan wrote:If we can't deal him before camp, then give him a fresh start starting in min-camp with a "very short" leash...

Exactly. First off he didnt even get a fair share of passes thrown his way. So I just think he deserves a fair shot before we crucify the guy. I just dont know how much we could get for him at this point. Who is going to give up draft picks on him after the season he had?

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Larger role for Lloyd?