Sally Jenkins Article = 100% accurate

[SkinsHead56]

Name for us the known good coaches that were out there when Gibbs decided to retire. Besides Cowher who wanted to stay retired until 09 I couldn't come up with any.

Russ Grimm

Thanks

[wormer]

Well, here's a thread title that's guaranteed not to draw me in.

But yet, it did...

[LOSTHOG]

This was too big a job for an inexperienced guy like Spaggs to take on. It is not a knock on him or the organization. This is a tough gig. We have salary cap issues. We have age issues. A couple more years of being a DC and he might be ready, but to take this on at this point in his career would have been horrible for both parties.

[CanesSkins26]

This was too big a job for an inexperienced guy like Spaggs to take on. It is not a knock on him or the organization. This is a tough gig. We have salary cap issues. We have age issues. A couple more years of being a DC and he might be ready, but to take this on at this point in his career would have been horrible for both parties.

As opposed to a guy like Fassel, who has been fired from his last two jobs?

[LOSTHOG]

As opposed to a guy like Fassel, who has been fired from his last two jobs?

so we are now looking for someone that hasn't been fired? Spags has no experience. I don't want Fassel, but to hire someone that has only made it as high as a DC and for only one year is crazy. Sure he's the hot name this year. Rivera was last year. Anyone talking about him now? Whoever the Skins hire is out of our control. We can argue and curse Danny, but it makes absolutely no difference what our opinions are. I am actually at the point of not caring who our coach is. No matter who is named half of us are going to get pissed off. It is time to accept that we don't have any power and neither will our coach.

[CanesSkins26]

As opposed to a guy like Fassel, who has been fired from his last two jobs?

so we are now looking for someone that hasn't been fired? Spags has no experience. I don't want Fassel, but to hire someone that has only made it as high as a DC and for only one year is crazy. Sure he's the hot name this year. Rivera was last year. Anyone talking about him now? Whoever the Skins hire is out of our control. We can argue and curse Danny, but it makes absolutely no difference what our opinions are. I am actually at the point of not caring who our coach is. No matter who is named half of us are going to get pissed off. It is time to accept that we don't have any power and neither will our coach.

Jack Del Rio and Mike Tomlin had the same amount of experience as defensive coordinators as Spagnuolo, and had less overall coaching experience than him. How have they done with the Jags and Steelers??

[LOSTHOG]

Del Rio I'll give you, but Tomlin is yet to be tested. He was given a championship caliber team already. All he has to do is not screw it up. You can argue this all day I don't care, but the fact remains our coaching job is one of the toughest league wide. I said it before, I don't care at this point who they hire, but chasing whoever the hot name is at the time is just plain stupid. When the Giants go 7-9 next year and the defense is ranked in 20's let's see what a hot name Spags is.

[SkinsJock]

Actually LostHog, you have a point - some of the guys on Sirius NFL today were saying that there are a number of franchises in the NFC - Packers, Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins and Seahawks all looking at this coming season and thinking that based on the level of play from those teams at season's end what was the difference that got the Giants to the Super Bowl - in the commentators estimation - the Giants were playing better as a team - the commentators both felt that all those teams in the NFC are actually better teams talent wise and better coaches so all those teams need to do is start believing that "if we all start playing better as a team and we could be in the Super Bowl" - this from a commentator who admits to being a Giants fan.

There really has not been a lot of changes here - we lost Saunders but our offense needs some changes anyway - I am not that worried about Blache, he might be a really great defensive coach. Look at what Spagnuolo did his first year - I think that Blache is a better defensive coach than Spags - who knows (certainly NOT Sally Jenkins) we could have a bunch of coaches here this season who are anxious to help these players play better together.

Sally Jenkins would not know a good football coach from a bad one in my view She just loves to pull Snyder's chain.

[Countertrey]

Sally Jenkins might have her own agenda, but if you look at the situation objectively, how wrong is she?

Look, there can be no doubt that she has her own agenda. We, the common fans, can rant all we wish about the apparent aimless wandering we see from the 'skins front office. It can never do any harm to the organization, because, we are powerless to do anything but rant.

Jenkins, on the other hand, is a bitter cow, who has, as her agenda, the complete destruction of The Danny... and if the Redskins are completely thwarted in their effort to lure a competent HC, so be it. She, unlike us, has a pulpit from which she can cast poison into the well.

She may be right, but, what the heck, she will facilitate a football nuclear winter in DC to prove it.

Folks, The Danny may have earned your contempt, but it's his team. Jenkins is NOT on our side. Her agenda is revenge, and that will not benefit either the Skins or their fans.

[UK Skins Fan]

Well, here's a thread title that's guaranteed not to draw me in.

But yet, it did...

[The Hogster]

I have to admit, that while I hate Sally Jenkins, I do agree with her article this one time.

At this point, I would prefer Mariucci over Fassel. I don't know anything about Meeks, but if he is anything like Tony Dungy...I would prefer him over Fassell as well.

[Snout]

I have generally bit my tongue and not responded to posts critical of Snyder however Jerkins article pushed me over the top. Unfortunately I don't have the time to spend the next hour writing an appropriate response to her article and those who have been critical of Snyder. I will sum it up in that I feel those who criticize Snyder are all Monday morning quarterbacks who are clearly very unappreciative of an owner who will reach deep into his own pocket and will spare no cost to make the redskins a winning team. Does he make mistakes and goes a little too far at time to achieve success? Sure, but as the saying goes Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. I think it is time for some writers and fans to get off their pedestals, take a step back and be a little more appreciative of what they have compared to others. Oh and Jerkins article is filled with inaccuracies of reality and manipulation of facts to get her own shock value out of it just like reporters did in regards to Sean Taylor before actual facts came out. Pure and simple just like reporters didn't like Taylor because he wouldn't grant them interviews because they burnt him in the past so to they don't like Snyder for the same reason and will spin things negatively about how he is handling things which will continue to negatively effect the fans and their feelings for the team and the own. Snyder is a terrible man...he has paid top dollar to try and get players here that could help us win and superbowl oh and tried to bring in coaches that we ALL thought at the time will turn this bus around. The only problem is that now he is actually taking the time to try and do an even better job than in the past with less attractive options then in the past. What a meddling terrible owner.

Ikester

I agree 100%. The only thing I would add is that WP writers, including Sally Jenkins, supported Snyder's head coaching hiring/firing decisions in the past, yet none of them except Wilbon has the integrity to step up and say "I would have made the same mistakes." I have no respect for Sally Jenkins, and I think all of her Redskins columns are angry rants.

[roybus14]

For those out there that are trying to justify Snyder's move on this one, check-it:

Dan Snyder will never be called a "tight-wad" owner. If there is one thing that is good about him, it's spending dough. BUT with all of his business acumen, he has failed as a sports franchise owner. The cornerstone of championship franchises across all pro sports is it's front office and their ability to see, pick, and grow talent or put that talent in the right environment. Someone earlier in this thread talked about the Giants GM and the moves that he made with Eli, Kevin Boss, Steve Smith, Osi, Justin Tuck, etc. Also talked about his patience to stay with Eli and Coughlin.

Snyder will continue to keep this franchise in mediocrity until he put's qualified people in the front office to make personnel decisions. If anyone thinks I'm full of it, check this:

Scott Pioli - New England Patriots (3 rings in the 00's and lost a close 4th last week)

Theo Epstein - Boston RedSox (two World Series in the last 4 years)

Bill Polian - Indianapolis Colts (has assembled a top contending team since drafting Peyton Manning; Super Bowl Champs last year)

Jerry "Crumbs" Krause - Chicago Bulls (built a dynasty in Chicago centered around Michael Jordan until he got stupid; Six NBA rings in the 90's)

Jerry West - Los Angles Lakers (Signed Shaq, Kobe, and Phil and won three titles until the kids couldn't get along anymore)

Brian Cashman - New York Yankees (Won 4 World Series Rings for a owner who likes to spend money)

Rick Hendrick - NASCAR (Has JJ who has won two straight Winston Cups and probably the best and most hated driver in Nascar history in Jeff Gordon; now he's added Dale Jr. to his stable, who by the way won yesterday's NASCAR race)

I think you get my point......

[Redskin in Canada]

Snyder will continue to keep this franchise in mediocrity until he put's qualified people in the front office to make personnel decisions. If anyone thinks I'm full of it, check this:
...

EVERYBODY who knows anything about management agrees with this. Danny the Clown is not one of them. THAT is the problem.

Just look at the mood of some of the fans: The guy hires an assistant of an assistant and instead of just giving him the benefit of the doubt, people are already drawing parallels to the Joe Gibbs hiring by JK Cooke.

People want to BELIEVE and they are willing to hang on to ANY action designed to CREATE EXPECTATIONS. Danny the Clown is the perfect snake oil salesman. Works every time.

People who -want- to believe in Danny the Clown will believe in him NO MATTER WHAT. They find it difficult to separate loyalty to the team from criticism to their terrible owner.

[Countertrey]

Snyder will continue to keep this franchise in mediocrity until he put's qualified people in the front office to make personnel decisions. If anyone thinks I'm full of it, check this:
...

EVERYBODY who knows anything about management agrees with this. Danny the Clown is not one of them. THAT is the problem.

Just look at the mood of some of the fans: The guy hires an assistant of an assistant and instead of just giving him the benefit of the doubt, people are already drawing parallels to the Joe Gibbs hiring by JK Cooke.

People want to BELIEVE and they are willing to hang on to ANY action designed to CREATE EXPECTATIONS. Danny the Clown is the perfect snake oil salesman. Works every time.

People who -want- to believe in Danny the Clown will believe in him NO MATTER WHAT. They find it difficult to separate loyalty to the team from criticism to their terrible owner.

You can wallow in your contempt of the Danny all you wish. He will still own the team. Criticism? Dude! It reads more like a hate fest.

Look I think the guy may not be the most competent of owners (you can spin that as you wish), but whatever I think won't change what the Danny has done, nor what he WILL do in the future. I root for the Redskins, not the owner.

I happen to believe that the Zorn hiring is just what most of us were asking for. Not a redux of Bobby Beathard's genius stroke that brought us Gibbs, but an imaginative toss of the dice. Sure, there are a few who will hang on the Danny's every word. There are those who love the signing just because Zorn isn't a certain twice fired former head coach.

It is what is is. Now, why don't we just see what it becomes?

I like the signing because I always thought Zorn was special. Always. Had he played on any number of competent teams other than a slow starting expansion team, his legacy would have been very different. People have said that Steve Largent made Zorn look good... I sort of thought it was a bit of the opposite.

Only time will tell, but I like Zorn's chances.

[Redskin in Canada]

It is what is is. Now, why don't we just see what it becomes?

Does any fan have another option?

Only time will tell, but I like Zorn's chances.

And THAT is the scary part. Many of us would be willing to have patience to find out what is it that TIME will tell.

The pattern has been the opposite. He has not been patient to WAIT long enough to see the results of his own investment.

You and I may be willing to wait this one out. Are you sure that Danny the Clown will? Seriously, because that is what this is about.

[Countertrey]

It is what is is. Now, why don't we just see what it becomes?

Does any fan have another option?

Only time will tell, but I like Zorn's chances.

And THAT is the scary part. Many of us would be willing to have patience to find out what is it that TIME will tell.

The pattern has been the opposite. He has not been patient to WAIT long enough to see the results of his own investment.

You and I may be willing to wait this one out. Are you sure that Danny the Clown will? Seriously, because that is what this is about.

Only ONE of the Danny's hires did not have adequate time, and that was Schotty.

Turner had already had enough time to turn over the offense multiple times (and WASN'T his hire, anyway).

Old ball coach? 3 years and things were only getting worse.

Gibbs?

"History" says your concern is unfounded.

[Snout]

Only ONE of the Danny's hires did not have adequate time, and that was Schotty.

Not only that, Countertrey, but Schottenheimer was fired because he refused to give up control of personnel decisions -- not because of his coaching abilities. What Snyder intended to do in January 2002 was to hire Bobby Beathard. Unfortunately the deal fell through:
http://tinyurl.com/yvucb6
http://tinyurl.com/2yafla

All of the "blame Snyder" folks conveniently forget this. In one breath they slam Snyder for firing Schottenheimer and in the next breath slam him for not trying to hire a "real GM". In fact, he also tried to hire Allen as GM from the Raiders in the same month, but Allen declined the offer. http://tinyurl.com/2xx5c8 When that didn't work out, Snyder offered the job to Tim Ruskell, but Tampa Bay vetoed the move. http://tinyurl.com/34fjd5

Vinny Cerrato was Snyder's fourth choice. Sometimes you don't always get your first choice. The pundits forget this.

Why do Redskins fans always need a scapegoat when the team doesn't win? I think it is partly because of Washington's political culture. You always need to blame someone. If you are a Democrat and things are not going well, it is the Republicans' fault. If you are a Republican and things are not going well, it is the Democrats' fault. If you are a Redskins fan and thinsg are not going well, it has to be someone's fault. You cannot blame Joe Gibbs, so that means you have to blame Dan Snyder.

[Countertrey]

If you are a Redskins fan and thinsg are not going well, it has to be someone's fault. You cannot blame Joe Gibbs, so that means you have to blame Dan Snyder.

Blaming the Danny is kind of like kissing your sister. It will never be satisfying, because no matter what you do, he will remain the constant.

It's far more satisfying to blame an evil we can really get our teeth on...


The Dallas Cowboys.

The Philadelphia Eagles.

The (gag, puke) WORLD CHAMPION New York Giants.

Lets blame them.

[roybus14]

Only ONE of the Danny's hires did not have adequate time, and that was Schotty.

Not only that, Countertrey, but Schottenheimer was fired because he refused to give up control of personnel decisions -- not because of his coaching abilities. What Snyder intended to do in January 2002 was to hire Bobby Beathard. Unfortunately the deal fell through:
http://tinyurl.com/yvucb6
http://tinyurl.com/2yafla

All of the "blame Snyder" folks conveniently forget this. In one breath they slam Snyder for firing Schottenheimer and in the next breath slam him for not trying to hire a "real GM". In fact, he also tried to hire Allen as GM from the Raiders in the same month, but Allen declined the offer. http://tinyurl.com/2xx5c8 When that didn't work out, Snyder offered the job to Tim Ruskell, but Tampa Bay vetoed the move. http://tinyurl.com/34fjd5

Vinny Cerrato was Snyder's fourth choice. Sometimes you don't always get your first choice. The pundits forget this.

Why do Redskins fans always need a scapegoat when the team doesn't win? I think it is partly because of Washington's political culture. You always need to blame someone. If you are a Democrat and things are not going well, it is the Republicans' fault. If you are a Republican and things are not going well, it is the Democrats' fault. If you are a Redskins fan and thinsg are not going well, it has to be someone's fault. You cannot blame Joe Gibbs, so that means you have to blame Dan Snyder.

I hear you but am I to believe that not qualified or assistant GM in this league is willing to take the GM position for this franchise? I find that very hard to believe because I'm sure that there is a decent crop of Asst. GM's or personnel guys waiting for their shot that would do a better job than Vinny or Danny himself.

I just, just find it very hard to believe that there is not a qualified GM out there to willing to run things here. Unless there is something about Danny and his management style that has scared them off.

Also, we are not in Japan where they fix the problem and not the cause. We live in the society that you mentioned, a "blame it on" one. It's the American way, so why do you seem suprised???? My only criticism of Daniel Snyder is his passion to win without doing what is absolutely necessary. Yes, he has spend alot of money and I praise him for that but he's failed to do something that doesn't require it. That is make a decision on getting a qualified front office and making it happen.

You know what they say the definition of insanity is? It's doing the same things over and over again but expecting a different result.

[Redskin in Canada]

Blaming the Danny is kind of like kissing your sister. It will never be satisfying, because no matter what you do, he will remain the constant.

I have to confess complete and utter lack of -experience- in this department. I will let other more -experienced- fans speak on this issue.

... I am talking about the Front Office, of course.

[Countertrey]

I have to confess complete and utter lack of -experience- in this department.

Well, I had to rely on a couple of Newfies for the information, sooo...

[Redskin in Canada]

I have to confess complete and utter lack of -experience- in this department.

Well, I had to rely on a couple of Newfies for the information, sooo...

That explains your opinion about the hiring and the Front Office.

[Countertrey]

You suggest that Newfies aren't reliable???

You may know that I'm ok with the hire... but you have no idea of my opinion of the Danny and his FO.