Official Fassel Thread - Please Post Here

[ChocolateMilk]

I understand that the delay in making the final choice was due to Fassel needed time to find his old playbook Laughing

Well if he can't find it, he can always get another copy of his old playbook here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2000-Jim-Fassel-NY-Giants-Offensive-Football-Playbook_W0QQitemZ220136431313QQihZ012QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem

haha thats great. i wonder if al saunders offensive playbook is on there too.

but this is the same Fassel that was fired from the Ravens last year because their offense was awful? i mean its probably more complicated than that. but the bottom line is that he was fired because he sucked at his job obviously. is fassel giving snyder lines of coke before each interview or something? what makes him think he's the right coach for this team?

[JonC56]

My question is this: Why are people so hellbent on the fact that Fassel cannnot succeed? I really dont understand why people do not think that a a coach with a winning record and super bowl experience can't be successful Explain this for me.

[CanesSkins26]

My question is this: Why are people so hellbent on the fact that Fassel cannnot succeed? I really dont understand why people do not think that a a coach with a winning record and super bowl experience can't be successful Explain this for me.

For starters, the guy has been fired from his last two jobs. It's pretty bad when you are a former head coach and one of your best friends (Billick) fires you as his offensive coordinator 6 weeks into the season. Do you see other teams showing an interest in him?

He isn't a leader, plain and simple. He was fired from the Giants because the team quit on him and stopped respecting him (according to BMitch who was there at the time). The former GM of the Giants, who fired him, stated that the team simply stopped responding to him.

His teams were very undisciplined.

His teams had a habit of losing to teams that were worse than them. His Giants team blew one of the biggest second half leads in playoff history to lose to Mariucci's 49ers.

Despite having an overall winning record, his teams weren't consistent. In his 7 years with the Giants his teams never posted back-to-back winning seasons. The closest they came was going 8-8 in 1998. Here is his record by season. It shows a very up and down tenure with the Giants.

1997: 10-5-1 (0-1 in playoffs)
1998: 8-8
1999: 7-9
2000: 12-4 (2-1 in playoffs, lose in Super Bowl)
2001: 7-9
2002: 10-6 (0-1 in playoffs)
2003: 4-12

Fassel is also 57 years old. We need a coach that has the potential to be here for the next 10 years, not some guy that will be gone in 3 or 4 years (at best).

[JonC56]

Ok, he took a team do the super bowl, when was the last time the redskins played in that game. He also took a team to the playoffs three times in 7 years. Look at the last 15 years of the Redskins.

If he had that same success with Giants that has with Redskins, that will be the most successful coach since Joe Gibbs first stint.

Give the guy a chance, Jesus.

On the other hand, I will have no patience for failure, and if we have a terrible season, for the next 2 years, he should be gone, and I will be in agreeance with the majority here. I Just think that he should have a chance to prove himself before he's crucified by the Redskin fan base.

Whats funny is, if he is the next head coach, he will the first non "big splash hire" in years. So watch the opposite happen, and this team be incredibly successful. That last comment is just me trying to be optomistic.

I well let his record as a Redskin coach speak for itself, if he is the next head coach.

[RayNAustin]

At this point Snyder doesn't have a long list of qualified people drooling over the chance to come here.

I said this several days ago, and I believe it's true....the mishandling of Williams has left a cloud hanging over this place, and only Fassel And Mooch are disparate enough to be head coaches again to take this job.

And what of Fassel ? Did he sell his self respect and dignity on ebay or something?

Snyder tells him to sit tight for a couple of weeks, while he canvases planet earth for someone else to hire.....and Fassel is OK with that?

As Edison once said, "Thinking is hard work. Maybe that's why so few people do it." Clearly, Snyder is not working very hard.

[HEROHAMO]

Ok, he took a team do the super bowl, when was the last time the redskins played in that game. He also took a team to the playoffs three times in 7 years. Look at the last 15 years of the Redskins.

If he had that same success with Giants that has with Redskins, that will be the most successful coach since Joe Gibbs first stint.

Give the guy a chance, Jesus.

On the other hand, I will have no patience for failure, and if we have a terrible season, for the next 2 years, he should be gone, and I will be in agreeance with the majority here. I Just think that he should have a chance to prove himself before he's crucified by the Redskin fan base.

Whats funny is, if he is the next head coach, he will the first non "big splash hire" in years. So watch the opposite happen, and this team be incredibly successful. That last comment is just me trying to be optomistic.

I well let his record as a Redskin coach speak for itself, if he is the next head coach.

You put up a good argument. The thing is most of the Redskins faithful do not have much faith in Daniel Snyders descisions. He hired the coordinators before the head coach. When has that ever happened? I cant even remember the last time if ever.

Maybe I am a little iffy on Fassel, but I just dont see him as a coach climbing the ladder of success at this point. He has gotten fired from his last two jobs. What comes after two failures success? I hope so. But like they say you cant teach and old dog new tricks. Its not like the guy is a young whippersnapper and all of a sudden is a coaching genious.

The most important factor for his success here will be, Will the players buy into his system? Really if the players follow him and believe in him then I am all for it. If not then we are in for long seasons ahead.

I hope you are right and he pans out and is good. Maybe the Redskins faithful should give him a chance. I guess we will have no choice on who is hired anyway. You know we will all be cheering if he turns out to be good anyhow.

[Redskin in Canada]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

[cleg]

The Skins are a GD lauging stock.

[Gnome]

I posted this in a seperate thread but I thought it answered this question too. IT"S A NO WIN SITUATION. Truly. No hyperbole.

Snyder has backed himself into a deep corner. Fassel will have to win the SB to be a success. Or at the least the East. He will be coming in with less support than any hire or move than I can recall in my 42 years of Skins worship.

Crazy. At the end of the season, Snyder finally was a hero. He handled Sean's passing with dignity, the team responded, we know the story. Not so fast my friend! Maybe Tom Cruise is helping with the search with some of his scientology voodoo?

Seriously. Snyder has blown away every inkling of hard fought respect gained over the last few years, with an atomic bomb, and now he's more hated than I can remember. I for one have finally adopted the SALLY JENKINS POV after a decade of Snyder defending.

And it's only going to get worse when he hires Fassel and they don't win, and they won't win 5 games next year while trying to install a new offense with a young QB who will once again be asked to learn a new system, and missing GW's creativity that made a scrap iron defense something special AND playing in the East where Dallas and the Giants are the two best teams in the NFC. Not to mention the Eagles jelled last season toward the end of the season. Zero percent chance the Skins are better than those three teams right now.

If Snyder had hired Williams, or Mora, or Spags, this wouldn't have mattered because these guys would have brought hope specifically because of their personalities, Mora should've been hired on the spot in hindsight, and with that hope there would have been a tad bit of patience. BECAUSE the Skins are the 4th best team in the East and that's just a fact. So Fassel, who already has hatred coming his way and he hasn't even lost a game yet, is going to have the creativity and imagination to change that with the Skins current roster? No way.

Imagine when they lose four in a row next year? Sir Gibbs won't be here to keep the fans roar of discontent down to a whisper. It's going to get ugly.

How will Fassel do? He will fail in spectacular fashion and the legacy of Norv, Marty, Ball Coach will be continued as if Gibbs never stepped foot in Redskins Park.

Who do you think we'll draft with the 5th pick in the draft in 09?

Maybe Snyder will get a gut feeling and do something inspired. At least Fassel still isn't HC as far as I know. So maybe. If not - put your ear muffs on, son, it's going to be colorful around these parts.

[SkinsFreak]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Your spin of "thanks, but no thanks" implies he turned down an offer, which was not the case.

I understand some reports say Spags withdrew his name, but that is only partially accurate. Fact is, he was never offered the job. After the lengthy interview, did both Snyder and Spags agree cordially to part ways? I would say so. But to spin it as Snyder was on his hands and kness begging him to be the head coach, and Spags said no, is waaaaaaay inaccurate.

[SkinsFreak]

Adam Schefter reported that as of 7:00 PM last night, nobody tied to Fassel had been contacted by the Skins.

At this time, I don't really care for Fassel and I hope Snyder looks elsewhere. But I will admit, after Spurrier quite four years ago, and before Gibbs was announced, at that time, I thought Fassel was the best man for the job. I don't feel that way now. If hired, I guess I'll throw him my support, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

I'm starting to hear about a mystery candidate again.

[DEHog]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Your spin of "thanks, but no thanks" implies he turned down an offer, which was not the case.

I understand some reports say Spags withdrew his name, but that is only partially accurate. Fact is, he was never offered the job. After the lengthy interview, did both Snyder and Spags agree cordially to part ways? I would say so. But to spin it as Snyder was on his hands and kness begging him to be the head coach, and Spags said no, is waaaaaaay inaccurate.

So are you giving Snyder credit for NOT hiring him?

[SkinsFreak]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Your spin of "thanks, but no thanks" implies he turned down an offer, which was not the case.

I understand some reports say Spags withdrew his name, but that is only partially accurate. Fact is, he was never offered the job. After the lengthy interview, did both Snyder and Spags agree cordially to part ways? I would say so. But to spin it as Snyder was on his hands and kness begging him to be the head coach, and Spags said no, is waaaaaaay inaccurate.

So are you giving Snyder credit for NOT hiring him?

For me personally, yes, to some degree. In my opinion, and this is just an opinion with no factual evidence, I don't really think Snyder ever truly intended to hire him, as I don't think Schwartz was ever a serious candidate either. Personally, I never really cared for Spags and I don't think he has the credentials to be the Redskins head coach. He goes from an assistant at Bowling Green, of all places, to a LB coach in Philly to one year as a DC in NY. I agree he had a nice rookie season, but I just don't think he's qualified... yet. I am also of the opinion, based on our current staff, we need an offensive minded head coach. So for me, I'm happy he wasn't offered the job or he withdrew his name, which ever way you want to look at it.

[PulpExposure]

You put up a good argument. The thing is most of the Redskins faithful do not have much faith in Daniel Snyders descisions. He hired the coordinators before the head coach. When has that ever happened? I cant even remember the last time if ever.

There are a few times a HC has been hired to complete a staff. Barry Switzer in Dallas, and Jon Gruden in Tampa come to mind.

[Jeremy81]

You put up a good argument. The thing is most of the Redskins faithful do not have much faith in Daniel Snyders descisions. He hired the coordinators before the head coach. When has that ever happened? I cant even remember the last time if ever.

There are a few times a HC has been hired to complete a staff. Barry Switzer in Dallas, and Jon Gruden in Tampa come to mind.

yeah, but both those teams had the previous' head coache's men...they weren't guys that the owner hand picked...if i was going to head coach a team with my OC and DC in place, i'd rather have them be chosen by jimmy johnson and tony dungy rather than dan snyder...

the term "if it aint broke don't fix it" clearly applied to both the cowboys job and the bucs job...

[riggofan]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Dude you are really working hard to spin this one.

[Skeletor]

Jason Garrett was hired last year as the OC before Wade Phillips was hired. Seemed to work out pretty well for Dallas. And NY had most of its defensive staff in place before they hired Spags to be DC.

It'll probably happen more and more now that owners are spending big money not just on head coaches but on coordinators as well.

[DEHog]

Ok I'm officially throwing my name in the hat for HC of the Redskins….here’s my CV


2004 Asst. Coach (defense) Pop Warner
-Team went 5-4 made the playoffs in first year of existence!

2005 Defensive Coordinator Pop Warner
-Team went 9-1 league runner up
(Lost the game on O play calling 7-6)

2006 Hired by Polytech High School as freshmen Defensives coordinator
-went 1-3

2007 Promoted to Head freshman coach at Polytech High school
- Got 7 games scheduled, had the largest turnout in school history
- went 3-4
- coached Defense, 3 shutouts and only gave up 5 TD all season
- Most games the freshmen have won in 5 years

Said yes to AD all the time!!!

[skinsfan#33]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Dude you are really working hard to spin this one.

I don't think he is trying to "spin" this at all. He is just trying to provide some shelter for all the Chicken Littles out there that think everyone and their brother turned Dan down.

Here are the facts on Spags. He interview w/the Redskins but decided to stay in NY.

THAT IS ALL WE KNOW!!!!

We don't know if he was offered the job, although reports suggest he wasn't.
We don't know if he and the Skins both thought he wasn't ready to be a HC, but there are rumors to that affect.
We don't know if he didn't want to take the job (for whatever reason).

If anyone on this board can say that they know for a fact that he turned the job down, then I would say they are kidding themselves.

Here is all we know.

We still don't have a coach.

And we have talked to Meeks, Fassel, Mooch, Mora, Spags, GW, Schwartz, and Carroll (if you believe those reports)

Meeks, Mooch, and Fassel are all still waiting for us to offer either of them the job. Schwartz never turned down the job and decided to stay w/Tenn to avoid the month long wait, but if Danny boy called I bet he would jump too!

Mora never wanted to leave Seattle and used us to pressure the Chawks into guaranteeing him the HC job out their. (so much for the Rooney Rule!)

I can't say that I blame him I would rather raise a family in Wash St over Wash DC any day - the Navy and all of my and my wife's family live on the east coast or I would be out there too!

Carroll isn't ever going to leave USC and why would he?

Spags - already covered

GW - Danny Boy didn't feel that he could work w/him and let GW move on

Notice I said nothing about "the chin". Because Cower made it abundantly clear that he wasn't coming out of retirement this year. And the Skins never contacted him (as far as we know).

So to all the people out there screaming no one wants this job I say "The sky isn't falling, relax and you will be OK!"

[Bob 0119]

I don't think he is trying to "spin" this at all. He is just trying to provide some shelter for all the Chicken Littles out there that think everyone and their brother turned Dan down.

"Chicken Littles"....very appropriate!

[HanburgerHelper]

Reading this string was exhausting for me. Who cares about "Spags?" I'll try to keep it real.

My two cents: Fassell, I always thought, was a great HC for the Giants and either got tired or was the fall guy for diminishing personnel. How long was he the HC before they went to the SB? Two years? He tutored Elway and some other QBs pretty well as I recall. He's just a smart guy and knows how to run a team. Anyone who can't see that is blind.

However, HCs aren't the be-all and end-all. You need great personnel clicking on all cylinders, deep benches, and relatively few injuries to go all the way. Moreover, you need a great QB prospect to lead you there or not lose it for you. You think Bellichick wins three SBs without Brady? I think not. You must have a great defense. Name one winning SB team whose defense sucked or wasn't on a hot streak.

Let's hope Jason Campbell is the man or we make a move to acquire a great QB via FA or the draft in the next year or so.

The Joe Gibbs II Experiment is over and we're rebuilding. We really shouldn't expect any SBs any time soon with the competition in the NFC East and with a changed up coaching staff and brand new schemes/playbook. Following on the heels of Gibbs II isn't that big of a deal. I'm looking forward to change.

[SkinsFreak]

What part of...

Just hours after Spagnuolo withdrew his name from consideration for the Washington Redskins coaching job on Thursday, the Giants gave the 48-year-old a new three-year, $6 million contract that will make him one of the NFL's highest paid coordinators.

-That- part.

He "withdrew" his name but he was never offered the job in the first place, confirmed by his agent, Chris Mortensen, NFLN, ESPN and others, and subsequently excepted the Giants offer.

Dude you are really working hard to spin this one.

Ya, I'm really trying to spin it.

I've heard and read numerous reports from credible sources, including Spags own agent, that the Skins never offered Spags the job. Don't buy that? Great. Then I challenge anyone to produce evidence that the job was actually offered to Spags and he turned that offer down.

Let's see it, all wise ones.

Maybe Spags never wanted the job. Or maybe after his interview, he decided the best move for him was no move at all. I believe that. But to say he turned down the Skins offer is a complete fallacy, based on the reports and from his own agent.

I'm quite sure some of you wish it was true, just to further your personal agendas of Snyder bashing, but it isn't. Hate all you want, but don't think for a minute that others will blindly follow just because it's currently the popular thing to do.

[riggofan]

Ok, so Spagnuolo turned down the offer to be considered for the job. I don't get what the big distinction is. Either way he told the Skins he'd rather be with the Giants and took himself out of consideration. Spin it however you like.

And not a single person in this thread has argued that Spags was ever officially offered tje job. You've got more straw men than George Bush in a Fox News interview.

[skinsfan#33]

Ok, so Spagnuolo turned down the offer to be considered for the job. I don't get what the big distinction is. Either way he told the Skins he'd rather be with the Giants and took himself out of consideration. Spin it however you like.

And not a single person in this thread has argued that Spags was ever officially offered tje job. You've got more straw men than George Bush in a Fox News interview.

Did you ever think that maybe Snyder told Spags, "hey I just don't think you're ready to be a HC yet, but I will let you go back to NY and see if you can help yourself there."

Then Spags went to the Giants and said, "gee I'm not sure if I really want to leave but the money is awfully tempting"

And they threw him a $6million bone and he announced he would remain in NY.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED?

[SkinsFreak]

Ok, so Spagnuolo turned down the offer to be considered for the job.

He went forward with the interview. That means he wanted the consideration.

I don't get what the big distinction is.

There is a huge distinction between rejecting an actual offer verses withdrawing your name from consideration. As I said... "Maybe Spags never wanted the job. Or maybe after his interview, he decided the best move for him was no move at all. I believe that."

And not a single person in this thread has argued that Spags was ever officially offered tje job.

Perfect. Then my point is clear, he was never offered the job. You can't "turn something down", the phrase used in this thread, that was never offered to you in the first place.