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Where is that guy who keeps posting that GW is still going to be the HC and Snyder is engaged in an elaborate ruse?

This is extremely clever of Snyder.

SkinsJock wrote:

PulpExposure wrote: Skins had a better year defensively than the Jags this year (8th total defense versus 12th total defense). You'd expect the Jags ratings to decline, as their defense dropped from 2nd to 12th, and the Skins player ratings to increase by a large magnitude, since we went from 31st to 8th.

using this formula you have to wonder how come we are looking at a guy from NY whose defensive unit gave up over 40 TDs last year and whose defensive unit rated lower than the Redskins whose defensive leader was let go OH! that's right, the stats are misleading

PLUS - IF the guy from NY gets the job, he will first have to agree to letting Snyder (& Cerrato) select the coaches, players and even call plays whenever they want. I hear that Tom Cruise may be in on some of the play calling as well.

Because that same guy held the "all-time best in history of the universe" offense to 14 points. He shut down both the 13-3 Cowgirls and the Madden man crush led Packers, when it counted most.

You can quote all the stats you want from the regular season, but the Giants D (w/a very suspect secondary) was by far the best D in the playoff.

I can't remember a D putting that much pressure on a QB in the SB ever. The 85 Bears were very impressive, but the Patriots team they face was nothing compared to the "NFL's greatest offense ever".

We shall see how great Spagnuolo is after another season - they had a nice finish but I am not that impressed and I am certainly not rating NE as the greatest team ever - they had the best season ever but this was not the greatest team ever, IMHO.
Just because the Giants beat the Pats does not make them a better team - they are not even the best NFC team or the best team in the NFC East, in my opinion - I'll wait and see how those guys handle this coming season before I grant them top 5 in the NFC.

Manning and Coughlin had a dream run but they still have a lot to prove to me - this coach was about to lose his job and now he's coach of the best team in the NFL = NOT ... IMO, Manning also has a long way to go before he gets to be a decent NFL QB.

BnGhog wrote:The only questions I think, is will Blache be able to adapt quickly when something isn't working?

Like us haveing at least one deep safty, to stop the big plays. He will most likely keep things like that, simply because it worked. But my question is the idea of keeping the safty that deep was GW idea. When this don't work any longer will Blache be able to adjust quickly?

Or Does he have his own ideas and will take that away all together. If he comes in and starts to change things like that. It could be rough year. IMO he needs to build on what GW had left in place. He could probly bring them up closer, IF we upgrade the line so the QBs don't have that much time.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Blatch was previously the defensive coordinator in Chicago, for 5 years. I think he'll be fine.

SkinsJock wrote:We shall see how great Spagnuolo is after another season - they had a nice finish but I am not that impressed and I am certainly not rating NE as the greatest team ever - they had the best season ever but this was not the greatest team ever, IMHO.

No, they're not the best team ever. They're the best offense ever...and that's not very debateable since they set the modern scoring record this year.

And the Giants defense just dismantled that offense.

I am not taking anything away from what the Giants D did in the playoffs - IF they were that great then why did they not play the same the whole season like the 85 Bears D did? Great teams and systems stand the test of time - it will be very interesting to me given how they have looked over the last 2 years to see how great Coughlin and Manning are - I will not be surprised to see them struggling again next year. These 2 guys are just not that good.

Spagnuolo has a very talented line but his secondary during the season was hopeless and while they won that game IMO they do not rate as one of the better defenses in the NFL right now. This was just a well executed game plan against an offensive line that did not seem to be well prepared.

SkinsJock wrote:I am not taking anything away from what the Giants D did in the playoffs - IF they were that great then why did they not play the same the whole season like the 85 Bears D did?

I think the defense was getting used to Spagnuolo's system. It was just put in this year. It took the Bears a few years to become truly dominant; Ditka came to Chicago in 1982, and the defense was 16th that year. 8th the next, and then 1st for the next 3 years (and 2nd the 2 years after that!). I'm not saying the Giants have that potential, but sometimes it takes defenses time to get used to their system.

I also agree that the Giants were on a super hot streak at the time...so I wonder how sustained they could keep that level of play.

it will be very interesting to me given how they have looked over the last 2 years to see how great Coughlin and Manning are - I will not be surprised to see them struggling again next year. These 2 guys are just not that good.

Totally agreed here.

Spagnuolo has a very talented line but his secondary during the season was hopeless and while they won that game IMO they do not rate as one of the better defenses in the NFL right now.

Coming into the season, Justin Tuck was a nobody. Spagnuolo got that entire defense working well at the end of the year...when it mattered the most. And his playcalling during that tim was tremendous.

One play this weekend that the Patriots could not handle was when the LB looked like he was coming and would back off at the snap or turn as if to drop back in coverage and then come hard on the delay - it caught the middle of the line off guard and invariably resulted in a sack or Brady throwing well before he was ready.

This was a brilliant effort by that D , no question - I have a lot of respect for what Spags did - I just do not think that Coughlin or Manning have what it takes to be very good for long - this would be a very different story if not for that catch by Tryee OR if the Pats defense had of squashed Manning before he even threw.

Spags may get his chance here and he may be the real deal - I just am not that comfortable with the idea of a defensive coach when we do not seem to have the offensive coaching we really need and an offensive coach might be a better fit.

SkinsJock wrote:One play this weekend that the Patriots could not handle was when the LB looked like he was coming and would back off at the snap or turn as if to drop back in coverage and then come hard on the delay - it caught the middle of the line off guard and invariably resulted in a sack or Brady throwing well before he was ready.

This was a brilliant effort by that D , no question - I have a lot of respect for what Spags did - I just do not think that Coughlin or Manning have what it takes to be very good for long - this would be a very different story if not for that catch by Tryee OR if the Pats defense had of squashed Manning before he even threw.

Spags may get his chance here and he may be the real deal - I just am not that comfortable with the idea of a defensive coach when we do not seem to have the offensive coaching we really need and an offensive coach might be a better fit.

Totally agree.

Asante Samuels makes that interception along the sidelines on the Giants last drive, the Pat's win and Eli is the underachieving QB and disappointment he's always been painted as by the NY media . Actually, Eli threw up several passes in that game that should have never been caught. Also, one of my good friends is a huge Giants fan and he still wants Coughlin gone. And while I agree the Giants D deserves some credit, I didn't think the Pat's O was playing anywhere near what they had been earlier in the year. Even though they won 18 games, I thought their play slipped a bit towards the end of the year and in the playoffs.

You know, a lot of the problems people seem to have with us not promoting Gregg to the HC position, is that they assumed Gregg=continuity.

Fact is we don't know if he would've just kept everything the same, but I believe he would've replaced Saunders.

If you replace Saunders, the whole offensive continuity is gone anyway, Blache would probably still be our DC, but our OC, and overall offensive make up would've been different.

The rest seem to be upset at how Gregg was treated (i.e. fired); Well, he could very well still be sitting here, hoping for a job he wasn't going to get, while Jacksonville chooses someone else. I doubt he would've stayed as our DC if he was passed up for the HC job. I suspect he either would've quit, or been replaced by the next HC. Sounds to me like he was treated as fairly as possible and was able to land a decent job, when it would've been just as easy for us to string him along until all the positions were filled. As it stands, as soon as they were sure he wasn't the guy, they let him go.

Me? I'm happy for him, and hope the best for him in everything except for when he plays the Redskins.

SkinsFreak wrote:Asante Samuels makes that interception along the sidelines on the Giants last drive, the Pat's win and Eli is the underachieving QB and disappointment he's always been painted as by the NY media . Actually, Eli threw up several passes in that game that should have never been caught. Also, one of my good friends is a huge Giants fan and he still wants Coughlin gone.

Yeah no kidding. Everyone in the media is writing how Eli came of age, blah blah blah.

Eli did what he's always done. Been a pretty mediocre quarterback, who is exceptional in the 2 minute drill. He's always been a good 2 minute quarterback.

To me, it looked just like Eli being Eli, really.

And while I agree the Giants D deserves some credit, I didn't think the Pat's O was playing anywhere near what they had been earlier in the year. Even though they won 18 games, I thought their play slipped a bit towards the end of the year and in the playoffs.

Agreed with you with this caveat; even with their offense not playing as well, that offensive line never looked as bad as they did in the Superbowl. That o-line got worked (reminded me of the Seahawks-Redskins playoff game... )

Bob 0119 wrote:You know, a lot of the problems people seem to have with us not promoting Gregg to the HC position, is that they assumed Gregg=continuity.

Fact is we don't know if he would've just kept everything the same, but I believe he would've replaced Saunders.

The rest seem to be upset at how Gregg was treated (i.e. fired); Well, he could very well still be sitting here, hoping for a job he wasn't going to get, while Jacksonville chooses someone else. I doubt he would've stayed as our DC if he was passed up for the HC job. I suspect he either would've quit, or been replaced by the next HC. Sounds to me like he was treated as fairly as possible and was able to land a decent job, when it would've been just as easy for us to string him along until all the positions were filled. As it stands, as soon as they were sure he wasn't the guy, they let him go.

Me? I'm happy for him, and hope the best for him in everything except for when he plays the Redskins.

My only question is: Why wasn't GW Head Coaching material? What do you guys think that DS saw that made him say... nah, I'll pass.

I thought the guy had a lot of integrity, ability to relate to players and strived to put out the best product on the field (like is D).

Is it simply that he wanted his own staff, and DS et al, wanted to insert some of "their" coaches? I mean, as to continuity, the guy knew all the players well, knew the media and FO well, so what it will take a new HC a learning curve, he already had this in place.

good point so. cal

I hope Gregg Williams does well in Jacksonville and can get another chance elsewhere (but hopefully not in the NFC East, with any of the Skins rivals).

I felt like he got a raw deal here, but that is in the past now. Thanks for four great years as a Defensive Coordinator.

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:You know, a lot of the problems people seem to have with us not promoting Gregg to the HC position, is that they assumed Gregg=continuity.

Fact is we don't know if he would've just kept everything the same, but I believe he would've replaced Saunders.

The rest seem to be upset at how Gregg was treated (i.e. fired); Well, he could very well still be sitting here, hoping for a job he wasn't going to get, while Jacksonville chooses someone else. I doubt he would've stayed as our DC if he was passed up for the HC job. I suspect he either would've quit, or been replaced by the next HC. Sounds to me like he was treated as fairly as possible and was able to land a decent job, when it would've been just as easy for us to string him along until all the positions were filled. As it stands, as soon as they were sure he wasn't the guy, they let him go.

Me? I'm happy for him, and hope the best for him in everything except for when he plays the Redskins.

My only question is: Why wasn't GW Head Coaching material? What do you guys think that DS saw that made him say... nah, I'll pass.

I thought the guy had a lot of integrity, ability to relate to players and strived to put out the best product on the field (like is D).

Is it simply that he wanted his own staff, and DS et al, wanted to insert some of "their" coaches? I mean, as to continuity, the guy knew all the players well, knew the media and FO well, so what it will take a new HC a learning curve, he already had this in place.

Personally, I think it was his record in Buffalo, combined with what appeared to be a stubborness to stick to a gameplan even if it wasn't working. We blew a lot of 14-point haltime leads this season, and the defense has to take the hit for some of that. Combined with the stigma of the league's 31st ranked defense from a year ago raises questions about his abilities in the HC position.

My support for Williams was based on Saunders being the OC. Having to focus on sweeping changes to the offense, plus maintain a respectable defense...I just don't know.

Bob 0119 wrote:You know, a lot of the problems people seem to have with us not promoting Gregg to the HC position, is that they assumed Gregg=continuity.
Fact is we don't know if he would've just kept everything the same, but I believe he would've replaced Saunders.

I think Williams was the choice but he just did not want to take the job under the guidelines as laid out by Snyder & Cerrato.
I think they tried hard to keep him but Williams would not accept the conditions.

Bob 0119 wrote:The rest seem to be upset at how Gregg was treated (i.e. fired); Well, he could very well still be sitting here, hoping for a job he wasn't going to get, while Jacksonville chooses someone else. I doubt he would've stayed as our DC if he was passed up for the HC job. I suspect he either would've quit, or been replaced by the next HC. Sounds to me like he was treated as fairly as possible and was able to land a decent job, when it would've been just as easy for us to string him along until all the positions were filled. As it stands, as soon as they were sure he wasn't the guy, they let him go.

Me? I'm happy for him, and hope the best for him in everything except for when he plays the Redskins.

No worries - I think Williams will show that Snyder made a huge mistake in not keeping him.

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:My only question is: Why wasn't GW Head Coaching material? What do you guys think that DS saw that made him say... nah, I'll pass.
I thought the guy had a lot of integrity, ability to relate to players and strived to put out the best product on the field (like is D).
Is it simply that he wanted his own staff, and DS et al, wanted to insert some of "their" coaches? I mean, as to continuity, the guy knew all the players well, knew the media and FO well, so what it will take a new HC a learning curve, he already had this in place.

Bob 0119 wrote:Personally, I think it was his record in Buffalo, combined with what appeared to be a stubborness to stick to a gameplan even if it wasn't working. We blew a lot of 14-point haltime leads this season, and the defense has to take the hit for some of that. Combined with the stigma of the league's 31st ranked defense from a year ago raises questions about his abilities in the HC position.
My support for Williams was based on Saunders being the OC. Having to focus on sweeping changes to the offense, plus maintain a respectable defense...I just don't know.

I think if Williams took the job he almost certainly would have got rid of Saunders - he might have tried to find someone else that could run a system similar BUT I think he would have replaced Saunders