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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:27 pm
by PigSkin
"Redskins Insider" says
Former coach Joe Gibbs began calling members of the staff today to update them on the coaching search, league sources said. Gibbs is telling the coaches that it could be several more weeks until a decision is made, apologized for how this has left them unsettled and for the process taking longer than they had hoped.
With the Zorn announcement, this makes Joe look bad. If he made these contacts of his own volition, it's obvious he's not the type of "advisor" who has the confidence of management. If he was asked to do it then he was treatly poorly -- abused. Either way, it's an embarrassment -- and a confirmation that the Gibbs era is over.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:33 pm
by Countertrey
Skinsfan55 wrote:This seems like we're in total disarray.
Zorn seems like a good mind, but he's not some young hotshot QB coach. The man is 54 years old and has never called plays in the NFL.
He's been an offensive assistant for 3 seasons, for Utah 92-94.
I just don't know about this, we'll have to see.
You do realize that Zorn called many of his own plays when he wore a helmet, don't you? He knows how to dissect a defense, and how to take advantage of what they give you. He was a very good QB. Had he played almost anywhere but the NFC West's northern outpost, he'd likely have gone down as one of the great ones... similar to Archie Manning, who was screwed by being drafted by the old "Ain'ts".
Zorn has possibilities.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:38 pm
by por-tiz2skins
aswas71788 wrote:It is my understanding from MSN that Ryan has announced that he is going to stay with the Ravens. So he is a no.
This whole process is beginning to sound like the Abbott & Costello's "Who's on 1st joke." only twice as confusing.
True.But since Greg isn't staying than the Giants D coordinator well be with us.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:45 pm
by The Hogster
This is utterly retarded. Dan thinks he's Jerry Jones. He copies everything Jerry does. The only thing is he fails to realize that Jerry Jones played, and coached football. He knows more of what he's doing than Dan.
Dan is a business geek, he needs to understand that he has no clue how to run a professional football team. His failure to acknowledge this is what makes him a horrible owner. The past4 years were the only stable and conversely generally successful years since Gibbs retired the first time.
And, what does he do? Promote Cerrato, keep himself as the General Manager, and totally scrap everything that Joe built.
I'd rather have him follow Bob Kraft...a fellow good businessman, who is a good owner because he understands that GM's and Coaches know more than he does.
Return to Fantasy football. I'm seriously considering organizing a stadium, and apparel boycott.
Fans should just watch on Television until Dan lets the team alone.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:47 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:Posted at 5:53 PM ET, 01/25/2008
Zorn Deal is True
This is from Jason Reid: We've confirmed an ESPN report that Jim Zorn has been hired as the Redskins' new offensive coordinator even though a head coach has not been named. We reported a couple days ago that Zorn was at the top of Jim Fassel's list of potential offensive coordinators and is very highly regarded by Gregg Williams as well.
The hiring of Zorn likely means that associate head coach -- offense Al Saunders is finished with the team. Owner Daniel Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato were privately critical of the offense's performance under Saunders the past two seasons. The two were especially concerned, sources said, about the development of young quarterback Jason Campbell, whose progress is the organization's top priority.
UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Redskins assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Redskins assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."
Posted by Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | Permalink | Comments (117)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
As I said before, and I hope this is true, I'd be okay if Williams hand selected this guy and Williams becomes the head coach. Zorn was a great player and is highly regarded for developing young QB's. Although it may be a new system for JC, Zorn will be very beneficial in refining JC's talent. And besides, JC has learned so many systems, he may already know this one.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:52 pm
by SkinsFreak
The Hogster wrote:This is utterly retarded. Dan thinks he's Jerry Jones. He copies everything Jerry does. The only thing is he fails to realize that Jerry Jones played, and coached football. He knows more of what he's doing than Dan.
Dan is a business geek, he needs to understand that he has no clue how to run a professional football team. His failure to acknowledge this is what makes him a horrible owner.
Maybe Snyder is offering the job to Williams and
Gregg said he wanted Zorn. Perhaps Dan is just facilitating what Gregg wants... I hope.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:53 pm
by CanesSkins26
SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Posted at 5:53 PM ET, 01/25/2008
Zorn Deal is True
This is from Jason Reid: We've confirmed an ESPN report that Jim Zorn has been hired as the Redskins' new offensive coordinator even though a head coach has not been named. We reported a couple days ago that Zorn was at the top of Jim Fassel's list of potential offensive coordinators and is very highly regarded by Gregg Williams as well.
The hiring of Zorn likely means that associate head coach -- offense Al Saunders is finished with the team. Owner Daniel Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato were privately critical of the offense's performance under Saunders the past two seasons. The two were especially concerned, sources said, about the development of young quarterback Jason Campbell, whose progress is the organization's top priority.
UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Redskins assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Redskins assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."
Posted by Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | Permalink | Comments (117)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
As I said before, and I hope this is true, I'd be okay if Williams hand selected this guy and Williams becomes the head coach. Zorn was a great player and is highly regarded for developing young QB's. Although it may be a new system for JC, Zorn will be very beneficial in refining JC's talent. And besides, JC has learned so many systems, he may already know this one.
I just wish that we knew more about the type of system that he wants to run. I'm concerned that he wants to run a similar offense to what they ran in Seattle and that would be a disaster for JC. I'm a huge JC fan but he isn't even close to being a west coast offense qb.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:04 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Posted at 5:53 PM ET, 01/25/2008
Zorn Deal is True
This is from Jason Reid: We've confirmed an ESPN report that Jim Zorn has been hired as the Redskins' new offensive coordinator even though a head coach has not been named. We reported a couple days ago that Zorn was at the top of Jim Fassel's list of potential offensive coordinators and is very highly regarded by Gregg Williams as well.
The hiring of Zorn likely means that associate head coach -- offense Al Saunders is finished with the team. Owner Daniel Snyder and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato were privately critical of the offense's performance under Saunders the past two seasons. The two were especially concerned, sources said, about the development of young quarterback Jason Campbell, whose progress is the organization's top priority.
UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Redskins assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Redskins assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."
Posted by Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | Permalink | Comments (117)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/
As I said before, and I hope this is true, I'd be okay if Williams hand selected this guy and Williams becomes the head coach. Zorn was a great player and is highly regarded for developing young QB's. Although it may be a new system for JC, Zorn will be very beneficial in refining JC's talent. And besides, JC has learned so many systems, he may already know this one.
I just wish that we knew more about the type of system that he wants to run. I'm concerned that he wants to run a similar offense to what they ran in Seattle and that would be a disaster for JC. I'm a huge JC fan but he isn't even close to being a west coast offense qb.
The west coast system in Seattle is a product of Holgrem. Zorn didn't run the west coast when he played, and I don't believe he coached it before either. Zorn worked under Dennis Erickson for a few years and he doesn't run the west coast offense. But we'll find out soon enough.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:20 pm
by ComebackSkins
Is it possible that Zorn is coming as the offensive coordinator and al saunders is staying as the assistant head coach: offense?
and if so does it mean Don Breaux is getting canned.
PS: I hope Greg Williams is the head coach but they just haven't announced it yet.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:23 pm
by SkinsFreak
WTOP commentator Mike Buchanan reports the reason Redskins assistant Gregg Williams has not been hired as head coach is because of a previous argument with Synder over a tribute to Sean Taylor.
Listen to the
audio from this report, at the left of the page where it says "Snyder Upset with Williams".
Not sure how much credence you can give to what the "sources" say right now, but if true, doesn't look good for Williams' chances.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:31 pm
by chiefhog44
This just in......Snyder just named himself Head Coach
Zorn = Garrett?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:37 pm
by hogproud
There is a precedent for hiring an OC before pulling the trigger on a HC. It's a good precedent at that. Last year the Cowpies locked up Jason Garrett before naming Bum Jr. Here's my take on this development: Al Saunders is a nice guy but was the most overpaid assistant on the planet the last two years. The offense simply did nut cut it during his tenure. Inconsistent and not very potent, especially considering the talent on hand. Even factoring in Campbell's inexperience, this offense still had enough weapons to produce better numbers... Saunders simply did not make it happen. So...let's give Zorn a shot. The offense can't get much worse.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:39 pm
by CanesSkins26
SkinsFreak wrote:The Hogster wrote:This is utterly retarded. Dan thinks he's Jerry Jones. He copies everything Jerry does. The only thing is he fails to realize that Jerry Jones played, and coached football. He knows more of what he's doing than Dan.
Dan is a business geek, he needs to understand that he has no clue how to run a professional football team. His failure to acknowledge this is what makes him a horrible owner.
Maybe Snyder is offering the job to Williams and
Gregg said he wanted Zorn. Perhaps Dan is just facilitating what Gregg wants... I hope.
If that's true then why haven't they announced that GW is the head coach. It has also been reported (yes i know its just a media report but what else do we have to go on at this point) that GW hasn't talked to Snyder in about a week. So if true, that would indicate that this hire is independent of GW.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:40 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Now thats drama. You know I'm just starved for someone to rally around, at this point I don't care who Snyder picks, Ceratto has got danny in his pocket so basically Vinny Cerrato will decide our fate...scary.
Re: Zorn = Garrett?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:43 pm
by VetSkinsFan
hogproud wrote:There is a precedent for hiring an OC before pulling the trigger on a HC. It's a good precedent at that. Last year the Cowpies locked up Jason Garrett before naming Bum Jr. Here's my take on this development: Al Saunders is a nice guy but was the most overpaid assistant on the planet the last two years. The offense simply did nut cut it during his tenure. Inconsistent and not very potent, especially considering the talent on hand. Even factoring in Campbell's inexperience, this offense still had enough weapons to produce better numbers... Saunders simply did not make it happen. So...let's give Zorn a shot. The offense can't get much worse.
Kinda hard to produce when you have 3 starting o-lineman tops starting 2 consecutive weeks.....especially for a young QB.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:44 pm
by CanesSkins26
There is a precedent for hiring an OC before pulling the trigger on a HC. It's a good precedent at that. Last year the Cowpies locked up Jason Garrett before naming Bum Jr. Here's my take on this development: Al Saunders is a nice guy but was the most overpaid assistant on the planet the last two years. The offense simply did nut cut it during his tenure. Inconsistent and not very potent, especially considering the talent on hand. Even factoring in Campbell's inexperience, this offense still had enough weapons to produce better numbers... Saunders simply did not make it happen. So...let's give Zorn a shot. The offense can't get much worse.
Yea and the Cowboys are in for a world of drama this coming season if they start slow or go through any sort of losing streak. The Garrett/Wilson thing is going to turn into a fiasco unless they win at least one playoff game next year. If Wilson had been the guy that brought Garrett in and Garrett had loyalty to Wilson no way does he sign that new contract and put himself in a position where anything less than a trip to the NFL Championship game gets his head coach fired.
Re: Zorn = Garrett?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:47 pm
by chiefhog44
hogproud wrote:There is a precedent for hiring an OC before pulling the trigger on a HC. It's a good precedent at that. Last year the Cowpies locked up Jason Garrett before naming Bum Jr. Here's my take on this development: Al Saunders is a nice guy but was the most overpaid assistant on the planet the last two years. The offense simply did nut cut it during his tenure. Inconsistent and not very potent, especially considering the talent on hand. Even factoring in Campbell's inexperience, this offense still had enough weapons to produce better numbers... Saunders simply did not make it happen. So...let's give Zorn a shot. The offense can't get much worse.
With what playbook? The guy has never called a play in his life in the NFL. Leads me to believe that an offensive minded head coach (fassel) will be named Head Coach. Then you could keep some of the other Offensive assistants on the team. That leads me to believe Williams is gone. Maybe you promote from within. Blanche (sp?) is a very qualified DC.
In any event, Fassel is the clear choice here which is extremely disappointing. and the question is...are we having a bidding war with the Ravens over Ryan? Or will we promote from within? Where is the continuity?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:49 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:SkinsFreak wrote:The Hogster wrote:This is utterly retarded. Dan thinks he's Jerry Jones. He copies everything Jerry does. The only thing is he fails to realize that Jerry Jones played, and coached football. He knows more of what he's doing than Dan.
Dan is a business geek, he needs to understand that he has no clue how to run a professional football team. His failure to acknowledge this is what makes him a horrible owner.
Maybe Snyder is offering the job to Williams and
Gregg said he wanted Zorn. Perhaps Dan is just facilitating what Gregg wants... I hope.
If that's true then why haven't they announced that GW is the head coach. It has also been reported (yes i know its just a media report but what else do we have to go on at this point) that GW hasn't talked to Snyder in about a week. So if true, that would indicate that this hire is independent of GW.
Well, you may be right. Did you read this post?
SkinsFreak wrote:WTOP commentator Mike Buchanan reports the reason Redskins assistant Gregg Williams has not been hired as head coach is because of a previous argument with Synder over a tribute to Sean Taylor.
Listen to the
audio from this report, at the left of the page where it says "Snyder Upset with Williams".
Not sure how much credence you can give to what the "sources" say right now, but if true, doesn't look good for Williams' chances.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:55 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:56 pm
by DarthMonk
ComebackSkins wrote:Is it possible that Zorn is coming as the offensive coordinator and al saunders is staying as the assistant head coach: offense?
and if so does it mean Don Breaux is getting canned.
It is possible. This actually would make sense since
*Al Saunders is our Asst. Head Coach Off. and Don Breaux is our OC.
*It would be a step up for Zorn and he is apparently a good QB coach.
*It would serve continuity.
This is my current best case scenario. I hope you're right ComebackSkins. The only problem with this idea is that it's too smart. Could Danny actually do something this right?
If it happens you heard it from ComebackSkins first.
PS: I hope Greg Williams is the head coach but they just haven't announced it yet.
Me too, bro.
DarthMonk
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:57 pm
by CanesSkins26
Missed that post. Thanks for the heads up. If that's true then that pretty much signals the end of GW. Although, you would think that if that happened during an interview Snyder might have already fired GW. Not sure why Snyder would get his panties in a bunch over the 10 men thing anyway. Gibbs didn't seem upset by it and it was the right thing to do. I doubt that Gibbs had any real input on what happened on defense so I don't see why what happened on that play would be any different. But if true that would definitely help explain why GW isn't the coach. I had my reservations about GW as head coach, but I was still pretty sure that he was going to get the gig.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:58 pm
by DarthMonk
DarthMonk wrote:ComebackSkins wrote:Is it possible that Zorn is coming as the offensive coordinator and al saunders is staying as the assistant head coach: offense?
and if so does it mean Don Breaux is getting canned.
It is possible. This actually would make sense since
*Al Saunders is our Asst. Head Coach Off. and Don Breaux is our OC.
Excuse me ... that should have said "Don Breaux WAS our OC.
DarthMonk
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:03 pm
by SkinsFreak
CanesSkins26 wrote:Missed that post. Thanks for the heads up. If that's true then that pretty much signals the end of GW. Although, you would think that if that happened during an interview Snyder might have already fired GW. Not sure why Snyder would get his panties in a bunch over the 10 men thing anyway. Gibbs didn't seem upset by it and it was the right thing to do. I doubt that Gibbs had any real input on what happened on defense so I don't see why what happened on that play would be any different. But if true that would definitely help explain why GW isn't the coach. I had my reservations about GW as head coach, but I was still pretty sure that he was going to get the gig.
Agreed. I remember Williams came out right after that and apologized and was contrite over the failure to inform Gibbs. So I didn't think it was a big deal either. I hope that report is not accurate.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:04 pm
by RayNAustin
CanesSkins26 wrote:I guess. I'm more concerned about the offense though. Even if GW isn't retained I think our defense will be fine. We have enough veterans there to be able to transition. Asking JC to learn his 6th offense in 7 years is bad news. To me, keeping continuity was much more important on the offensive side than on defense.
Once again....I don't understand your logic. The offense wasn't working, for whatever reason. Remember now, Garett came in this year and the Cowboys were smokin on offense right out of the blocks. Campbell had two years with the playbook and a year and a half on the field and was obviously struggling with it considering how successfully Collins executed it. Maybe Saunders playbook is too complex or isn't suited to Campbell? You being the president of the JC fan club should be jumping up and down happy, because if Saunders stays, Collins plays if Campbell didn't take a major leap forward. This move shows that Snyder is committed to JC's development, and a guy like Zorn may be able to help him tremendously.
Besides, Zorn is obviously well regarded since the Seahawks promised him their OC job next year if he stayed. So I'd rather suspect he will do a fine job......read my lips.....THE OFFENSE WAS BROKEN. THEY WERE NOT SCORING TD's. With reasonable offensive production this year, we would have easily finsihed 12-4 of maybe 13-3. If anything needed changing it is the offense.
Now, the rest of the story will be..........?
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:04 pm
by Sir_Monk
In any event, Fassel is the clear choice here which is extremely disappointing. and the question is...are we having a bidding war with the Ravens over Ryan? Or will we promote from within? Where is the continuity?
I think the continuity went out the window the moment Snyder steped away from the podium two weeks ago when Gibbs announced his retirement.
My real fear is, whoever is brought in to coach, they will be on such a short leash that any setback by this team and they will be gone and we will be back at square one again.
