cleg wrote:As soon as this becomes official I am cancelling my season tickets. So much for consistency. So much for the 2 years JC tried to learn Al's offense.
Calm,down.
Its not like well be 5-11 again,first and for most Fassuel well have better calls than Gibbs.I think Fassuel well go on 4th downs alot more and well go deep more.
Sorry, so many things in that one post makes me laugh. Thanks por-tiz.
I don't know.... how did portiz get 1947 posts.....???
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
SkinsFreak wrote:Do Fassel or Zorn even have a playbook? If Snyder really does this, I'm okay with Ryan, he is a solid coach, as some have mentioned.
But Fassel and Zorn? Just because you are a good coach, doesn't mean you are qualified to call plays and match wits with opposing defensive coordinators. I have to admit I'm not all that familiar with Zorn. Does he even have a playbook? Holgrem has been the play caller in Seattle.
I don't believe that Zorn does. However, if I remember correctly, Fassel called his own plays during at least some of his tenure with the Giants. Not exactly sure what he did in Baltimore when he was OC. The article I read about his tenure there mentioned a disconnect between him and Billick and I remember a quote from Fassel about how it wasn't his offense that they ran in Baltimore and that's why they weren't successful.
por-tiz2skins wrote:Its true.Lets not forget Faussel actually knows the "ERA" of the NFL these days.Gibbs was confused and was trying to learn does things,thats simply why it has taking us this long to be this good.All though Gibbs was still good we need to get younger and better.So please stop hatting on Faussel.
I'm not 'hatting on Faussel' and I know Gibbs was trying to learn 'does things'.
I wonder how the team is gonna look with ryan runnin a 3-4. Makes me really think Lance Briggs might make sense now. I just hope we get better next year, we got alot of talent.
CanesSkins26 wrote: Outside of a JC (who would have to learn a new system) and guys like Daniels, who are favorites of Gregg, I cant imagine that the rest really care all that much. I would imagine that they prefer to see GW, but highly doubt that they care enough to actually lobby for him outside of making a couple of comments to the media.
Good point. Maybe I shouldn't have used Irn-Bru's term "lobby." The better word, probably, is "endorse."
Bottom line: Players would logically show support for Williams. If a player publicly dissed Williams, that player would risk reprisal if Williams becomes head coach.
What do you think players will say about Williams if Fassel is hired?
The Washington Post reports ex-Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan interviewed with the Redskins last Sunday night.
Ryan almost certainly interviewed for the 'Skins' defensive coordinator job, as the team appears set on hiring Jim Fassel as head coach. However, Ryan remains under contract with Baltimore and any lateral move can be blocked. That may be holding up Fassel's hiring. Dan Snyder may need to dangle draft picks to get the Ravens to budge.
great, we have to give up more picks, but this time for a coach...WTF!!!!
cleg wrote:As soon as this becomes official I am cancelling my season tickets. So much for consistency. So much for the 2 years JC tried to learn Al's offense.
I am right with you bro. I don't think they will care because there is so many people on the waiting list, but they're done getting my money. I will be calling as soon as it is announced, just hope I can get through because I feel there will be alot of us.
The moves appear to contradict statements Snyder made at the news conference announcing Gibbs's departure two weeks ago. Then, Snyder stressed his desire to maintain continuity and praised Gibbs for stabilizing a franchise that had gone through four head coaches in the four seasons before he arrived.
Now, naming two new coordinators and a new head coach would result in a complete overhaul of the team.
This guy said it and he's dead right. Why did Snyder bring back Gibbs in the first place? He should've done this 4 years ago, he was going to hire Fassel then and Gibbs showed up.
cleg wrote:As soon as this becomes official I am cancelling my season tickets. So much for consistency. So much for the 2 years JC tried to learn Al's offense.
I am right with you bro. I don't think they will care because there is so many people on the waiting list, but they're done getting my money. I will be calling as soon as it is announced, just hope I can get through because I feel there will be alot of us.
I would say relax but why don't you just cancel your tickets now and then go pick another team to cheer for because the Redskins don't need fans like you
The Washington Post reports ex-Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan interviewed with the Redskins last Sunday night.
Ryan almost certainly interviewed for the 'Skins' defensive coordinator job, as the team appears set on hiring Jim Fassel as head coach. However, Ryan remains under contract with Baltimore and any lateral move can be blocked. That may be holding up Fassel's hiring. Dan Snyder may need to dangle draft picks to get the Ravens to budge.
great, we have to give up more picks, but this time for a coach...WTF!!!!
This is part of the hold up, "the Danny" wants to bring in Ryan and Zorn along with JF.
By the way Rex runs a 3-4 and the Skins don't have the personnel to do this at this time.
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The Washington Post reports ex-Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan interviewed with the Redskins last Sunday night.
Ryan almost certainly interviewed for the 'Skins' defensive coordinator job, as the team appears set on hiring Jim Fassel as head coach. However, Ryan remains under contract with Baltimore and any lateral move can be blocked. That may be holding up Fassel's hiring. Dan Snyder may need to dangle draft picks to get the Ravens to budge.
great, we have to give up more picks, but this time for a coach...WTF!!!!
This is part of the hold up, "the Danny" wants to bring in Ryan and Zorn along with JF.
By the way Rex runs a 3-4 and the Skins don't have the personnel to do this at this time.
He runs a 46 defense....we've already been through this....
The Washington Post reports ex-Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan interviewed with the Redskins last Sunday night.
Ryan almost certainly interviewed for the 'Skins' defensive coordinator job, as the team appears set on hiring Jim Fassel as head coach. However, Ryan remains under contract with Baltimore and any lateral move can be blocked. That may be holding up Fassel's hiring. Dan Snyder may need to dangle draft picks to get the Ravens to budge.
great, we have to give up more picks, but this time for a coach...WTF!!!!
This is part of the hold up, "the Danny" wants to bring in Ryan and Zorn along with JF.
By the way Rex runs a 3-4 and the Skins don't have the personnel to do this at this time.
I made the same comment in another thread, but another poster corrected me and said that he ran a 4-3 the last 3 years. So I'm not really sure which style of defense he actually runs.
Secondary_Chaos wrote:Same old Snyder, same old Vinny... gotta hate em... nothing ever changes. Im so sick of this. Danny needs to sell this team and move on... Its a friggin coaching carosel every three darn years...
How can you blame Dan Snyder for this? Joe Gibbs is the one that retired isn't he? Last time I checked Dan Snyder begged Joe Gibbs to stay.
Ummm... well, you see, Dan Snyder and the newly appointed "Executive Vice President of Football Operations" Mr Cerrato are the ones who do the hiring. Dan 'begged' for JG to stay, but he didn't want to. So does that mean go out and hire an entirely new coaching staff? No. He could just as easily hire from within. SNYDER is the one who said he wants continuity. SNYDER is the one NOT sticking to that. So, in that way I can blame Danny boy.. any more questions?
spudstr04 wrote:He runs a 46 defense....we've already been through this....
You went to fast check out the Raven's starters
LDT Dwan Edwards NT Kelly Gregg RDT Haloti Ngata That's three D-lineman
ROLB Terrell Suggs LOLB Jarret Johnson MLB Ray Lewis RLB Bart Scott That's four LBs
LCB Corey Ivy RCB Derrick Martin SS Dawan Landry FS Ed Reed This is the secondary
Hope you got it this time, no use in keeping going over things if you aren't going to get it right.
CanesSkins26 wrote: I made the same comment in another thread, but another poster corrected me and said that he ran a 4-3 the last 3 years. So I'm not really sure which style of defense he actually runs.
You were incorrectly corrected
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spudstr04 wrote:He runs a 46 defense....we've already been through this....
You went to fast check out the Raven's starters
Umm ... "46" does not refer to the number of linemen, linebackers, etc. in the same way "34" does.
The genesis of the name "46" for that particular style of aggressive, in-your-face defense comes from the Buddy Ryan Bears days. Safety Doug Plank was a key participant of that scheme, playing a hybrid linebacker/safety/rover position. He wore jersey #46.
And that's how it got its name.
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spudstr04 wrote:He runs a 46 defense....we've already been through this....
You went to fast check out the Raven's starters
Umm ... "46" does not refer to the number of linemen, linebackers, etc. in the same way "34" does.
The genesis of the name "46" for that particular style of aggressive, in-your-face defense comes from the Buddy Ryan Bears days. Safety Doug Plank was a key participant of that scheme, playing a hybrid linebacker/safety/rover position. He wore jersey #46.
DL: Griffin, Montgomery, Golston, Carter(could play LB), Daniels
Why couldn't we go to a 3-4 it would keep our DL fresh and help get some LBs more playing time...
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but I don't believe that we have the type of linemen to run a 3-4. For starters, we don't have a player that fits the nose tackle roll. Perhaps Montgomery would fit? As for the other linemen, every starter on the Ravens line was over 300 pounds. I believe that a 3-4 requires bigger defensive linemen. Carter, for example, would be a linebacker in a 3-4. A roll that he struggled in with the 49ers. So all in all I'm just not sure that we would be able to immediately run a 3-4.
Rex Ryan presently is a Baltimore Ravens employee, still under contract according to a source with knowledge of the situation. The team paid for him - and any other member of Brian Billick's staff - to attend the Senior Bowl, and Ryan is doing so.
However, when the Ravens fired Billick at the end of the season, the team permitted all of its coaches to interview for other jobs, and to continue using the club's facility and their offices to do so while the Ravens conducted their coaching search. Several teams asked for permission to interview Ryan, Baltimore's D Coordinator since 2005, for D Coordinator jobs and were rebuffed. However, Ryan was free to interview for any head coaching position move without permission being necessary.
Sources said the Redskins did contact Ryan recently, which could have been ostensibly to talk about the head coaching opening. So they would not have had to contact Baltimore and sources said they never have contacted Baltimore for permission to interview Ryan.
The Ravens very much want to keep Ryan. The owner wants him. The players want him. New coach John Harbaugh knows him well, they coached together in the college ranks and he is the top guy for the job. Harbaugh and Ryan met over the weekend to discuss the coordinator job and remain in touch.
The Redskins also like Ryan for their D coordinator job and Owner Daniel Snyder is generally keen on setting records for spending on coaches. But the Ravens can still block any lateral move. So there we sit. Ryan has strong tied to agent Gary Wichard, who has a very,very close relationship with executive vice president Vinny Cerrato, so I am sure they could work something out with Ryan when need be, but the Redskins would have to find a way to allow the Ravens to release Ryan, or the Ravens would have to relent, go with someone else (San Digeo's LB coach Ron Rivera is the name several league sources believe would be Baltmore's second choice), or whatever.
If the situation cannot be resolved, the Redskins could move onto other candidates and still have Gregg Williams as assistant head coach - defense, under contract for another season at about $2 million. Sources who know Williams well say they doubt he would want to work on this new staff, or how the Redskins could make this fit, and the way the Redskins have handled this process, leaving Williams and the other coaches in the dark, it would be impossible for any of them to feel wanted.
So that doesn't look like a good fit. The Redskins also interviewed Tennessee D coordinator Jim Schwartz (the first person to interview) and Indy D coordinator Ron Meeks for the head coaching job, but their teams could also block lateral moves. If this thing got really interesting, though, and the Redskins can't get Ryan, I would not be stunned to see Schwartz be a candidate and perhaps Tennessee would let him leave for the DC job in DC - Schwartz is a Baltimore native and Georgetown guy - and then bring Gregg Williams back to Nashville.
Williams and Titans Coach Jeff Fisher are best friends. Williams coached there for a long time and reached the Super Bowl with Fisher. It would make a ton of sense. Would be a wild scenario but watching this thing unfold you just never know what's possible. If the Ryan thing falls through it might be worth keeping an eye on.
DL: Griffin, Montgomery, Golston, Carter(could play LB), Daniels
Why couldn't we go to a 3-4 it would keep our DL fresh and help get some LBs more playing time...
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but I don't believe that we have the type of linemen to run a 3-4. For starters, we don't have a player that fits the nose tackle roll. Perhaps Montgomery would fit? As for the other linemen, every starter on the Ravens line was over 300 pounds. I believe that a 3-4 requires bigger defensive linemen. Carter, for example, would be a linebacker in a 3-4. A roll that he struggled in with the 49ers. So all in all I'm just not sure that we would be able to immediately run a 3-4.
Solid points, I really didn't think about it like that. I though Griffin was pretty big and so was Montgomery, but I guess what you were saying makes since.
Sorry, so many things in that one post makes me laugh. Thanks por-tiz.
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