Skinsfan55 wrote:brad7686 wrote:We are not great at drafting late, but we aren't really terrible either. For every Sartz there is a blades and for every palmer/ecker there is a montgomery/golston, The problem is that we give away 3rd and fourth rounders for stopgaps that make little to no difference longterm. 3rd and 4th rounders is where you can really get some of that meat where people who were injured, played in a small school, or had slight discipline problems drop to that are still potential gamechangers. The fact that they give those away for peanuts is why they are in the shape they are in.
You're saying that for every failure there's a win involved? The way you're putting it, it's like we have a 50/50 shot in late rounds, and this just isn't true.
I'm only judging second day draft picks (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round picks) so here's what we have for the last 5 years:
2007:
5. Dallas Sartz- Gone
5. HB Blades- Uncertain future with the team, possible backup
6. Jordan Palmer- Gone
7. Tyler Ecker- IR, possible backup next season?
So we have maybe two players with a chance of being backups for the Redskins...
2006:
5. Anthony Montgomery- Starting defensive tackle, very good player.
6. Reed Doughty- Decent FS, probably a career backup.
6. Kedric Golston- Decent DT, looks like a career backup.
7. Kili Lefotu- Gone
7. Kevin Simon- Gone
3 guys still with the team, only one is a starter, but the other two give good depth.
2005:
4. Manuel White- Gone
5. Robert McCune- Gone
6. Jared Newberry- Gone
7. Nehemiah Broughton- Gone
Drafts like this kill a team, not a single second day pick turned out to be a decent football player.
2004:
3. Chrisey- Star TE.
5. Mark Wilson- Gone
6. Jim Molinaro- Gone
Both guys were backups for a while and are gone.
2003:
3. Derrick Dockery- Good guard, with Buff. now.
7. Gibran Hamdan- Gone
Ol' Gibby was not a good football player, enough said.
So even if I was going to be extremely generous and give checks to every player still on the Redskins' roster (and Dockery who did turn out to be good) then we'd have 7 second day picks from the last 5 years and 11 busts.
So really it's not as if for every Sartz we have a Blades, or for every Palmer/Ecker we have some stars, we have a lot less than 50% even when you're generous (I gave Ecker and Golston as positives even when they haven't done anything!)
For reference the Cowboys have second day guys in their lineup like Bradie James, Jason Whitten, Patrick Crayton, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff... and that's just the guys I know of offhand. These guys are all significant contributors, and most of them are starters or platoon guys.
If you notice on your list, the years we had third rounders we took Dock and
ey, and they ended up pretty good. We hardly ever have a fourth rounder, and you just can't expect to have a ton of guys on your roster from the 5th round on. The fact that they do have Doughty Montgomery and Golston shows that they can draft some guys well late, but they also waste some picks like Sartz and so on. The thing with dallas and new england is that they stock up on picks from rounds two to four and get a ton of guys that have a chance to be on the roster. Thats how they got Canty and Barber in the same year. They also had two first rounders that year and got Ware and Spears. It was a ridiculous draft for them. But of the guys on your list, only one that plays a lot came after the fourth and that was crayton, who was a good small school gamble. So basically Dallas doesn't draft late better than us, they just accumulate more picks in the middle and do a good job there.
