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JPFair wrote:IMO, the best man for this job is Greg Williams. As Dan Snyder himself pointed out today....if it aint broke, don't fix it.

I agree but not at the expense of losing Al Saunders. I prefer GW focused on defense and with a good offensive guru sidekick, the Skins would be fine losing Gibbs.

JPFair wrote:Second of all, why is Cowher the "best" option?

Although I agree with you (we should keep our entire current staff and promote Greg Williams), Cower was a heck of a coach. It's not about how many Super Bowls he won but how much success he had and how often Pittsburgh challenged for a SB. I think he also had a good deal to do with the personnel decisions. If he didn't, maybe we should be targeting Pittsburgh's GM in the Cower years. Very impressive in my opinion how they would build and retool teams.

JPFair wrote:...Can't they realize that Snyder has a new "adviser" in Joe Gibbs, and his modus operandi since Gibbs was the Team President was to refrain from big market splashes just like this one would be.

I never saw Gibbs as having a great eye for talent, but more of a good judge of character, great game strategist, and team manager. Judging personnel is not his forte'. Don't forget when he threw away two 1st rounders after winning SB 26 to trade up for Desmond Howard. Gibbs I think lobbied for Howard. Horrible move. I saw them drafting defense, keeping their picks and getting MLB Michael Barrow of Miami and CB Troy Vincent of Wisconsin. I was sick after that. I was also sick when Gibbs banked on Brunell and completely dissed Pat Ramsey. We know how that turned out.

Love Gibbs but let's face it, he needed Bobby Beathard to win during his glory years. It's painfully obvious, at least to me, nowadays. The talent Beathard brought to the table and how he obtained it was nothing short of genius. Beathard should make the HOF too. He doesn't get enough credit for building those Championship teams. Like baseball's Theo Epstein and Brian Cashman, the guys who obtain the personnel deserve some Kudos too.

If Gibbs had better personnel this second tour of duty, we may have been talking about a 4th SB victory. I don't buy that Gibbs was too old and the game past him by. You need Super Bowl caliber playmakers and a relatively healthy team to win.

SkinsJock wrote:l- Snyder and Gibbs do not seem to want to change anything at the top - that is a very big concern to me and I think others.

That's a BIG Ten-Four SkinsJock ! And in order to understand and fix the problems with this organization, that is the fundamental issue that must be addressed.

Putting that issue aside, I think GW would be the proper choice, and I believe that is what will be done. But the compelling reason for not choosing Greg would be if a Cower type was hired and given full control, then those organizational issues would be addressed, although there is no guarantee that they would be successfully addressed. Even when change is needed, the possibility always exists that changes made could worsen the situation, and Greg has proven to be an excellent coach on the defensive side (far batter than the rest of the staff).

Unfortunately, as great as Gibbs is and as much as I've always admired him, he is the last person in the world to expect to make those organizational changes. First, there is the loyalty issue, and Gibbs is loyal to a fault. Secondly, he is not in the HOF for being a great personnel guy. He's a great coach, but very average from a personnel standpoint, as was perfectly illustrated in his second term here.

I've said this before about Bobby Beathard being the true architect of the Redskins teams of the past for which coach Gibbs successfully coached to those Super Bowls. Beathard did it with KC, Miami, Washington, and lastly San Diego. For those who may have watched the special on NFL Network yesterday, some real insights were revealed which supports my case.....

First of all, Gibbs didn't want Theisman as the QB, nor Riggins as the RB. Hmmm??? It was only through Theisman's undying efforts to persuade Gibbs, along with Beathard's support that he actually remained with the Redskins. Beathard was the one who brought Theisman in, and history has shown that Theisman was and still is the best QB we've had since Jurgensen. Rypien had a couple of good years, but was never the complete QB that Theisman was. Left solely to Gibbs, #7 would have been worn by someone else. Back then, Gibbs had Beathard, and Cooke to contend with and his decisions were tempered with that additional wisdom.

We've seen several instances of flawed talent evaluation over the past 4 years, and in looking back now, you can chart the gradual decline in talent on the team coinciding with Beathard's departure (which was due in large measure to conflicts with Gibbs over...surprise surprise...personnel decisions.) Cooke began siding with Gibbs back then due to Gibbs SB successes, believing that Gibbs was a better authority on talent than Beathard. Beathard resented the lack of credit due him, and left. Through hindsight, and honest evaluation, history proves that Beathard's voice should have garnered more respect.

Though overall, Gibbs was well respected by the players, he was not immune to errors in the personnel area, and there were several conflicts and QB controversies, with one such constant saga involving flip flopping of Schroeder and Williams as starters which alienated both players.

We got rid of Stan Humphries prior to Gibbs first retirement who went on to have great success for several years with San Diego-Beathard no less.

With that said, I'm really at a loss to say one way or the other if it would be best to maintain the continuity of the current staff, or blow it up, and find a first class GM that would build a strong talent base for the long term. Trouble is, the league is full of "cap experts" and very short on talent evaluators who can find future stars in late rounds and undrafted personnel like Beathard did repeatedly.

Like everyone else, I want to see the Redskins win. How's about coaxing Beathard out of retirement, and making Grim the HC? That would seem to be the closest match to the old glory days formula....a great GM with a keen eye for talent and a young and upcoming HC prospect.

Great minds think alike HanburgerHelper

Bob 0119 wrote:For all the trash talk about Cerrato, we seemed pretty deep this year. We played alright for a team missing something like 11-starters.

I agree with the second sentence that we did great without 11 starters, but not sure how deep we were. We had to go out and get Kendall and Godfrey to plug holes on the O-line and LB. We had to go out and get a replacement for bust Brandon Lloyd. Reche Caldwell did OK. I think the early timing of the injuries was actually fortuitous in the respect that these replacements were still available.

I give it to you that there was lots of depth in the defensive and offensive backfields. We had adequate depth on the DL. McIntosh was coming off a year of injury and so was Marcus Washington. They needed to bulk up here on LBs and shouldn't have cast off Lemar Marshall so fast. Drafting Blades was good but he needs to man up. The O-line was on the verge of collapse in my opinion but I was encouraged Stephon Heyer stepped up. Hope he's OK.

We got lucky when Todd Collins performed well after JC went down. A season ago in preseason it looked as if this guy should've been cut. I think the QB depth is horrendous. Coach Gibbs will insist on the opposite. I just don't see it.

Well, returning to the issue of who will replace Joe Gibbs - right now, I think it will be Gregg Williams.

Can't imagine why anybody would speculate about Pete Carroll, and the Rex Ryan thing is even more bizarre. Clearly, what this team needs is an influx of defensive brainpower.

If it comes down to a desire for continuity, then the choice obviously comes down to Saunders or Williams. Saunders came through the door at Redskins park after Williams, and hasn't produced an offence anywhere near as effective as Williams' defences. Williams has also now demonstrated an ability to rebuild after the disaster that was the 2006 season. And he also expertly managed the defence after the loss of Taylor, around which the whole scheme seemed to have been designed. Those last two points demonstrate an ability to learn from mistakes, and to manage through adversity - two traits that are just vital in the NFL today. I think he's learned a little from Gibbs in that respect.

Saunders has not shown us any of that yet, although I will concede that may not be entirely down to him - with Gibbs out of the picture, we may now be able to see the full extent of the Saunders offence unleashed. But we haven't seen enough from Saunders in Washington yet, to conclude that he's the right man for the head coaching job.

Also, if Williams is the choice, then we already have two other coaches (Blache and Gray) who are ready to step straight into the defensive coordinator spot. If Saunders got the nod, then Williams would go, and I think the whole defensive staff could go with him.

If Snyder wants revolution rather than continuity, then I'm not sure I'll have the strength to go through another two years of rebuilding and restructuring. Cowher isn't coming back this year, and I'm not convinced he'll have much success if and when he does come back. Russ Grimm would be popular for sure, but I'd like to see him produce something in Arizona to be sure that he's the real deal as a coach.

I really don't know many other candidates at this time. But that shouldn't matter, because I don't think they should be looking beyond Williams.

Wow! A guy who lives like a gazillion miles away has far better comprehension of what's going on and should go on in DC than many who actually live there and frequent here.

Well said, UK.

SkinsFreak wrote:Wow! A guy who lives like a gazillion miles away has far better comprehension of what's going on and should go on in DC than many who actually live there and frequent here.

Well said, UK.

"Most in the NFL believe Snyder will pursue Bill Cowher, who won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh and works for CBS but has said he is not interested in coaching next season. Other possibilities, according to some sources, are Southern Cal Coach Pete Carroll -- if Snyder is willing to forget the pro struggles of the last college coach he hired, Steve Spurrier -- and former Redskins great Russ Grimm, a longtime NFL assistant with strong ties to Gibbs."

Owner Says Redskins Will Take Its Time on New Hire

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04852.html

Looks,like well probably snatch Carroll.But in the other hand it also sounds like he'll try and get Cowher in here.

The media is going to speculate on every possible candidate, that's what they do.

I'll just say this, after hearing all the support and campaigning for Williams, from just about the entire roster of players, including Campbell, hiring anyone other than Williams would most likely infuriate the team, and that would be disastrous to the organization.

This will be a great litmus test to see if Snyder still covets the sizzle over the steak.

I agree with SkinsFreak - Great job Trevor - you have been paying attention

por-tiz2skins wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Wow! A guy who lives like a gazillion miles away has far better comprehension of what's going on and should go on in DC than many who actually live there and frequent here.

Well said, UK.

"Most in the NFL believe Snyder will pursue Bill Cowher, who won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh and works for CBS but has said he is not interested in coaching next season. Other possibilities, according to some sources, are Southern Cal Coach Pete Carroll -- if Snyder is willing to forget the pro struggles of the last college coach he hired, Steve Spurrier -- and former Redskins great Russ Grimm, a longtime NFL assistant with strong ties to Gibbs."

Owner Says Redskins Will Take Its Time on New Hire

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04852.html

Looks,like well probably snatch Carroll.But in the other hand it also sounds like he'll try and get Cowher in here.

sorry mate wrong on all counts here - time to go back to school and study up on your Snyder and Gibbs stuff - come back in a couple of years when we've got this going again!

Williams will be the coach - he represents the least amount of change for now and while we need a GM and to get rid of Cerrato maybe Joe will recognize these needs when he is not as involved and as close as he has been

In an effort to keep the team going in the direction that Gibbs has them going the next HC will be Williams or Saunders, it's really a no-brainer.

If it comes down to a desire for continuity, then the choice obviously comes down to Saunders or Williams. Saunders came through the door at Redskins park after Williams, and hasn't produced an offence anywhere near as effective as Williams' defences. Williams has also now demonstrated an ability to rebuild after the disaster that was the 2006 season. And he also expertly managed the defence after the loss of Taylor, around which the whole scheme seemed to have been designed. Those last two points demonstrate an ability to learn from mistakes, and to manage through adversity - two traits that are just vital in the NFL today. I think he's learned a little from Gibbs in that respect

To be fair to Saunders, he has never been given the type of free reign here that Williams was given with his offense. Nobody can honestly say that we have seen Saunders' full system because the offense that we ran the past 2 seasons had Gibbs' fingerprints all over it. Add in the fact that Saunders was saddled with Brunell and then had to bring along an inexperienced qb, deal with Lloyd, and a banged up offensive line and I think that he has done a remarkable job. He also hasn't had the types of problems with players (i.e. Lavar, Archuletta) that Williams has had. So while he probably isn't a likely candidate (doubt he wants the job and I doubt Snyder wants to give it to him), it isn't exactly fair to say that he hasn't done as good of a job as Williams. Even though I would prefer not to have Williams are the head coach, the idea of Al staying here as the OC makes the much less opposed to the GW hire.

por-tiz2skins wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Wow! A guy who lives like a gazillion miles away has far better comprehension of what's going on and should go on in DC than many who actually live there and frequent here.

Well said, UK.

"Most in the NFL believe Snyder will pursue Bill Cowher, who won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh and works for CBS but has said he is not interested in coaching next season. Other possibilities, according to some sources, are Southern Cal Coach Pete Carroll -- if Snyder is willing to forget the pro struggles of the last college coach he hired, Steve Spurrier -- and former Redskins great Russ Grimm, a longtime NFL assistant with strong ties to Gibbs."

Owner Says Redskins Will Take Its Time on New Hire

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04852.html

Looks,like well probably snatch Carroll.But in the other hand it also sounds like he'll try and get Cowher in here.

Interesting article. I highly doubt that Carroll comes here and Billick might be the worst hire possible. I do think that the longer this process drags out , the less chance there is that GW or Saunders get the job.

If Snyder hires someone other than Williams, he may as well plan to hire an entirely new staff because, if I'm Williams, I'm going to stand pat staff-wise as HC. If it's another (new) HC, he'll probably cut Williams (and others) loose, if Williams doesn't leave on his own that is.

With Williams as HC, Blache could run the D and things could go about business as usual. If Bugel leaves, perhaps Grimm would consider joining the staff as OL coach.

I agree with GW as Head Coach.. Here is finally someone in the emdia speaking out about not going for Cowher

http://www.newschannel34.com/sports/sto ... ca078c56c2

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:l- Snyder and Gibbs do not seem to want to change anything at the top - that is a very big concern to me and I think others.

Putting that issue aside, I think GW would be the proper choice, and I believe that is what will be done. But the compelling reason for not choosing Greg would be if a Cower type was hired and given full control, then those organizational issues would be addressed, although there is no guarantee that they would be successfully addressed. Even when change is needed, the possibility always exists that changes made could worsen the situation, and Greg has proven to be an excellent coach on the defensive side (far batter than the rest of the staff).

Like everyone else, I want to see the Redskins win. How's about coaxing Beathard out of retirement, and making Grim the HC? That would seem to be the closest match to the old glory days formula....a great GM with a keen eye for talent and a young and upcoming HC prospect.

Snyder will ABSOLUTELY NOT hire a GM for the next coach. "If it ain't broke..." And if the new coach is going to be GW...that really concerns me. He hasn't exactly been a consistant talent evaluator. He's the one who brought in Archuleta, almost traded MacIntosh away last season for Briggs, brought in Prieleau (sp?), and drafted Carlos Rodgers. On the other side, he brought in Fletcher (he's old but had a great year), drafted ST, Landry, Wilson, Alexander, Montgomery, and brought in Carter from SF.

The big mistake in my mind (and hopefully a learning experience) was bringing in Archuleta. Uggh, that one was costly.

The other side of this is Saunders. He'll leave for sure if he doesn't get this job don't you think? That's really going to hurt JC's maturation.

And finally, why are there people on here talking about hiring Grimm as an offensive line coach or even an O-Coordinator? Doesn't he have that job title with Arizona already?

The other side of this is Saunders. He'll leave for sure if he doesn't get this job don't you think? That's really going to hurt JC's maturation.

I think that Saunders returning has to be a prerequisite of Williams getting the job. The main selling point of hiring GW is for continuity, but if Saunders is going to leave regardless then it would be stupid to not look at candidates outside the team.

I'm wondering if Wms doesn't get the job and Snyder and Gibbs are trying to talk Al into staying. Maybe a raise for him is in order.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

por-tiz2skins wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Wow! A guy who lives like a gazillion miles away has far better comprehension of what's going on and should go on in DC than many who actually live there and frequent here.

Well said, UK.

"Most in the NFL believe Snyder will pursue Bill Cowher, who won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh and works for CBS but has said he is not interested in coaching next season. Other possibilities, according to some sources, are Southern Cal Coach Pete Carroll -- if Snyder is willing to forget the pro struggles of the last college coach he hired, Steve Spurrier -- and former Redskins great Russ Grimm, a longtime NFL assistant with strong ties to Gibbs."

Owner Says Redskins Will Take Its Time on New Hire

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04852.html

Looks,like well probably snatch Carroll.But in the other hand it also sounds like he'll try and get Cowher in here.

Interesting article. I highly doubt that Carroll comes here and Billick might be the worst hire possible. I do think that the longer this process drags out , the less chance there is that GW or Saunders get the job.

Au contraire - this is a process and it now has to run it's course - you are aware that much as he might like to no owner can just nominate a coach without going through the NFL required "acceptable hiring practices" - the longer this goes the more likely we are to get Williams and the quicker it happens the more likely we are to get Gregg Williams - guess what - you're absolutely correct - Williams is going to be our next HC - well done!

chiefhog44 wrote:And if the new coach is going to be GW...that really concerns me. He hasn't exactly been a consistant talent evaluator. He's the one who brought in Archuleta, almost traded MacIntosh away last season for Briggs, brought in Prieleau (sp?), and drafted Carlos Rodgers. On the other side, he brought in Fletcher (he's old but had a great year), drafted ST, Landry, Wilson, Alexander, Montgomery, and brought in Carter from SF. The big mistake in my mind (and hopefully a learning experience) was bringing in Archuleta. Uggh, that one was costly.

The other thing I don't like is that he gives drafting priority to the secondary and not to the DL (Taylor, Rogers, Landry). Then with all that first round talent he played a 2 deep zone. I think it is no accident that the defensive unit was playing its best football in crunch time this year when two of those players were out. That is not a criticism of the players -- I think Williams gets too conservative when he has too much talent in the secondary. Personally I would rather have a defense that controls the line of scrimmage because that is what usually wins in the NFC East.

chiefhog44 wrote:Snyder will ABSOLUTELY NOT hire a GM for the next coach. "If it ain't broke..." And if the new coach is going to be GW...that really concerns me. He hasn't exactly been a consistant talent evaluator. He's the one who brought in Archuleta, almost traded MacIntosh away last season for Briggs, brought in Prieleau (sp?), and drafted Carlos Rodgers. On the other side, he brought in Fletcher (he's old but had a great year), drafted ST, Landry, Wilson, Alexander, Montgomery, and brought in Carter from SF.

The big mistake in my mind (and hopefully a learning experience) was bringing in Archuleta. Uggh, that one was costly.

Yes, I would strongly agree that Snyder doesn't feel the need for a GM, and Gibbs clearly supported that conclusion in his press conference.

As for the personnel mentioned, I don't know how much of that was Williams decision. Did Williams select Archuletta personally, or did Williams say I need an upgrade at strong safety, and Archuletta was presented to him? And the whole issue was precipitated by Ryan Clark's departure. Who was responsible for letting him go? Did Williams say "hey, he's adequate, but not worth a big increase in salary" or was that a front office decision? I don't know the answer there, so I can't say.

But you left out one major personnel issue that still troubles me. The handling of Lavar Arrington was a GW low point in my opinion. Here was a player that had made 2 pro bowls in his first three years (I think?), and was a disruptive force prior to Williams, who immediately became a non-entity, personna non gratta under Williams. The LB coach Dale Lindsey was an arrogant butthead that publicly dismissed and disrespected Arrington as not knowing how to play football, and this doesn't bode well for GW to have a subordinate behaving like that. Of course Lindsey was fired the following year, but how much of that damage could have been prevented? Clearly to me at least, a good coach makes good players play great, and a great player a super star. How can a good coach take a 2 time pro bowler and turn him into a goat?

This is the big question mark for me about GW. He had a reputation for having a rather arrogant ego in Buffalo, and I just wonder, with Gibbs no longer around to temper that, how much of it will resurface if he's given the top spot?

chiefhog44 wrote:The other side of this is Saunders. He'll leave for sure if he doesn't get this job don't you think? That's really going to hurt JC's maturation.

And finally, why are there people on here talking about hiring Grimm as an offensive line coach or even an O-Coordinator? Doesn't he have that job title with Arizona already?

I don't think Saunders "expects" to get the HC job, and I don't think he would leave unless asked to by the new HC. On the other hand I suspect that Williams does expect the job and will leave if he doesn't get it. There may even have been certain promises or insinuations made to that effect...like "don't you go anywhere...when Gibbs decides his time is up, you get the team" kinda thing.

Bottom line (not a diss on Gibbs, just a fact) Willaims probably can't do any worse. 31-36 and two disappointing seasons out of four is not exactly setting the bar out of reach.

Personally, I believe that Snyder's thinking is that the Redskins are so close to being a 12 win team, he'll hand the job to GW, and proceed on the current course, with a couple of free agent moves in the off season to address weaknesses. And that might very well be the right decision, because even with all of the injuries, and the loss of ST this year, the Redskins should have won 12 or 13 games, if not for a lack of production on offense that was self inflicted by conservative play calling and a slower than expected development of Campbell.

LOSTHOG wrote:I agree with GW as Head Coach.. Here is finally someone in the emdia speaking out about not going for Cowher

http://www.newschannel34.com/sports/sto ... ca078c56c2

Yeah, I saw that article too. A few snips from it:

But did anyone outside of a few partisans in the Steel City ever consider him to be some kind of cerebral sideline genius? Because the owner that eventually gives him those many millions and full personnel authority is going to be saying as much.

It wasn't so long ago when Cowher was viewed as the guy who couldn't win the big one. It wasn't so long ago, when he had just endured three straight playoff-less seasons, that folks were talking about how he would have been fired if he wasn't working for the ultra-loyal Rooney family.

Cowher did win the big one, and did reward the loyalty and patience of the Rooneys by leading the Steelers to a Super Bowl title.

But frankly, that 2005 Pittsburgh team was a one-year wonder that got hot late and stayed hot when it mattered. It wasn't the start or culmination of a dynasty, and the people that get treated like Cowher is about to be - people like Gibbs or Bill Parcells - have track records that dwarf that of Mr. Jaw.

In addition, the team that decides Cowher is its new unassailable puppetmaster, its Karl Rove, should go back and talk to at least a few of the players that worked for him.

You couldn't have much less reverence for Cowher than Ben Roethlisberger does. Roethlisberger took digs at the Cowher regime pretty much from the moment the man who drafted him had retreated to North Carolina following last season, and Big Ben's not the only ex-Steeler who doesn't have his ex-coach on his Christmas Card list.

You might also consider it something of an indictment of the Cowher regime that the Steelers passed over two of his most-trusted advisors, assistant head coach Russ Grimm and offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt, when the head coaching chair was empty early in 2007.

If Cowher was so great, why weren't teams cherry-picking his assistants, the way they have Parcells' or Bill Walsh's or Bill Belichick's in the past?

This is all very true and why I've never understood the fascination with Cowher. One lucky bounce of the ball and the Steelers never would have gone on to the Super Bowl. And as this article points out, Cowher was not very popular amongst his players. He just would not be a good fit here. Even ARE isn't lobbying for the Chin, and he played for him. That should tell us something.

chiefhog44 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:l- Snyder and Gibbs do not seem to want to change anything at the top - that is a very big concern to me and I think others.

Putting that issue aside, I think GW would be the proper choice, and I believe that is what will be done. But the compelling reason for not choosing Greg would be if a Cower type was hired and given full control, then those organizational issues would be addressed, although there is no guarantee that they would be successfully addressed. Even when change is needed, the possibility always exists that changes made could worsen the situation, and Greg has proven to be an excellent coach on the defensive side (far batter than the rest of the staff).

Like everyone else, I want to see the Redskins win. How's about coaxing Beathard out of retirement, and making Grim the HC? That would seem to be the closest match to the old glory days formula....a great GM with a keen eye for talent and a young and upcoming HC prospect.

Snyder will ABSOLUTELY NOT hire a GM for the next coach. "If it ain't broke..." And if the new coach is going to be GW...that really concerns me. He hasn't exactly been a consistant talent evaluator. He's the one who brought in Archuleta, almost traded MacIntosh away last season for Briggs, brought in Prieleau (sp?), and drafted Carlos Rodgers. On the other side, he brought in Fletcher (he's old but had a great year), drafted ST, Landry, Wilson, Alexander, Montgomery, and brought in Carter from SF.

The big mistake in my mind (and hopefully a learning experience) was bringing in Archuleta. Uggh, that one was costly.

The other side of this is Saunders. He'll leave for sure if he doesn't get this job don't you think? That's really going to hurt JC's maturation.

And finally, why are there people on here talking about hiring Grimm as an offensive line coach or even an O-Coordinator? Doesn't he have that job title with Arizona already?

First, Williams NEVER 'almost' traded Rocky for Briggs, that was never an option the Skins put on the table. The media made that up, and Williams confirmed it.

Second, Arch was a good and feared safety early in his career. It's not Williams' or Vinny's fault that Arch got distracted by the money and a Playboy playmate. They never could have predicted that. Lovie Smith thought he was so good that he gave us a 6th round pick for him. Guess what? Arch got benched in Chicago too. Even Bears fans were on this site saying we were right about Arch and that he sucks.

Fact is, Williams has drafted and brought in some great players for our defense, and you can bet he'll do that same again this year.

Jamie Dukes made a good point last night...he said the Skins should make AS the coach becuase this is a league about offense know. Hard to argue that logic.

Snout wrote:
The other thing I don't like is that he gives drafting priority to the secondary and not to the DL (Taylor, Rogers, Landry). Then with all that first round talent he played a 2 deep zone. I think it is no accident that the defensive unit was playing its best football in crunch time this year when two of those players were out. That is not a criticism of the players -- I think Williams gets too conservative when he has too much talent in the secondary. Personally I would rather have a defense that controls the line of scrimmage because that is what usually wins in the NFC East.

I don't think that was the case. They drafted the best athletic talent still on the board. Not drafted for a need. Many can argue this tactic, but I see why they did this. Its just like If Calvin Johnson was still on the board, how could they pass them up for a guy that's not half his talent. Like what the aqua team drafting Ted Ginn JR instead of Brady Quinn. Dumb move, even if they thought they had a QB. Brady Quinn the better talent, and would have been great for them looking back.