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Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

you have to take into account what kind of game that was... with out the ability to mount a passing attack both teams had to religate their offense to their running backs.

as a corrollary to your point the gnats back and A peterson are very similar, not in their numbers but in their size. both are big guys and watching the game last week we did have trouble tackling such a large dude. we have to find a way to get our D off the field and keep our O on it. if we can keep our D fresh we stand a better chance of slowing down peterson late in the game.

in conclusion i thinkk our ability to control peterson and the game will be our ability to control the clock and our own O destiny. If their D dictates the speed of the game then we will need to do somthing special to win

TincoSkin wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

you have to take into account what kind of game that was... with out the ability to mount a passing attack both teams had to religate their offense to their running backs.

Not at all. Frankly I was surprised how much the G-strings passed considerring how well their running attack was working, and how poorly their passing game was going. Eli had the most incomplete passes (34) of any QB in the last 40 years and had 52 total attempts. They weren't out of it until late in the game, and the weather conditions should have dictated the run, but Coughlin and crew kept calling passes. Lucky us.

JSPB22 wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

you have to take into account what kind of game that was... with out the ability to mount a passing attack both teams had to religate their offense to their running backs.

Not at all. Frankly I was surprised how much the G-strings passed considerring how well their running attack was working, and how poorly their passing game was going. Eli had the most incomplete passes (34) of any QB in the last 40 years and had 52 total attempts. They weren't out of it until late in the game, and the weather conditions should have dictaed the run, but Coughlin and crew kept calling passes. Lucky us.

I was also (pleasantly) surprised to see them go away from running the ball at the end of the game.

Fios wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

you have to take into account what kind of game that was... with out the ability to mount a passing attack both teams had to religate their offense to their running backs.

Not at all. Frankly I was surprised how much the G-strings passed considerring how well their running attack was working, and how poorly their passing game was going. Eli had the most incomplete passes (34) of any QB in the last 40 years and had 52 total attempts. They weren't out of it until late in the game, and the weather conditions should have dictaed the run, but Coughlin and crew kept calling passes. Lucky us.

I was also (pleasantly) surprised to see them go away from running the ball at the end of the game.

I mean, I know Eli Manning isn't great and all, but you're doing him (and your team) no favors by throwing the ball 52 times in a game where the wind was terrible, and when your running game is working very well.

As Joe Gibbs, I would have awarded Kevin Gilbride a game ball.

JSPB22 wrote:

TincoSkin wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Eh, the Giants just got 139 yards on us LAST WEEK.

you have to take into account what kind of game that was... with out the ability to mount a passing attack both teams had to religate their offense to their running backs.

Not at all. Frankly I was surprised how much the G-strings passed considerring how well their running attack was working, and how poorly their passing game was going. Eli had the most incomplete passes (34) of any QB in the last 40 years and had 52 total attempts. They weren't out of it until late in the game, and the weather conditions should have dictaed the run, but Coughlin and crew kept calling passes. Lucky us.

Glad someone can see objectively....

how do we stop peterson? Lock him inside his house so he cant come to the game.

Who is "Adrian Petterson?"
Is he better than Adrian Peterson?
Either way, I like that whole tackling idea Deadskins mentioned.

Gibbs/Williams will get it done... Gibbs has actually never lost in Minnesota... 4-0 including a playoff game... now if we can just get the Iggles to beat N.O.

Trying to stop Adrian Peterson is like trying to stop Todd Collins to Todd Yoder. You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

We load the box. We play Landry 17.5 yards deep instead of 25.

If you all think this is bad playing him once this year, imagine if the Browns sucked and we had to play Darren McFadden twice a year.

Smithian wrote:If you all think this is bad playing him once this year, imagine if the Browns sucked and we had to play Darren McFadden twice a year.

I assume the Redskins become an AFC North team or the Browns become an NFC East team in that scenario

Fios wrote:

Smithian wrote:If you all think this is bad playing him once this year, imagine if the Browns sucked and we had to play Darren McFadden twice a year.

I assume the Redskins become an AFC North team or the Browns become an NFC East team in that scenario

Yeah I'm still trying to figure that one out...

Smithian wrote:Trying to stop Adrian Peterson is like trying to stop Todd Collins to Todd Yoder. You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

We load the box. We play Landry 17.5 yards deep instead of 25.

If you all think this is bad playing him once this year, imagine if the Browns sucked and we had to play Darren McFadden twice a year.

Skol everyone, I am a Vikings fan and I have been following this thread for a little while, so I thought I would drop my 2 cents.

If you really want to stop AD, then you need to do exactly what Smithian said - load the box constantly and bring Landry in closer. Honestly I am assuming that Landry will play close regardless because we really don't have a deep threat.

Anyway, stacking 8 or 9 in the box stands the best chance of limiting our rushing attack, although hoping to completely stop it is futile. Your best chance of beating the Vikings lies with keeping AD and CT down to 100 yards combined and hoping TJack has another game like he did against Chicago.

As far as the Minnesota defense, don't even try and run against us. The only team to do it successfully was Green Bay, and that game was the exception, not the rule. Our pass defense is still last or next to last in yards per game, as many like to point out. But we are in the top ten in both points per game and sacks, so don't expect anything to come easy.

On top of that, the metrodome is a very hostile place for opposing teams. Go watch the MNF game from last week, at times the crowd was so loud that they had to change the feed from the commentary.

I think this is going to be a great game, with both teams putting everything on the line. Here is to a good game, with no injuries. (BTW, Smoot may want to stop talking his smack about stopping AD. Here in Minnesota we remember all too well what happens when he starts talking big before a game )

Californiaskin wrote:Here is where we will really miss on field Sean.......run support.......

Landry has stepped up hopefully thatl be enough

Freddy smoot has been good run support did you see him take on Jacobs andf nearly knock himself out!

I saw that too many times during his stint in Minnesota. I like Smoot for the coverage decisions he makes on the field, but he is not great against the run. And his tackling skills are horrible. How many times has he hurt himself because he was throwing his body around instead of tackling? If he tries that against AD, he's going to get leveled.

NodakPaul wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:Here is where we will really miss on field Sean.......run support.......

Landry has stepped up hopefully thatl be enough

Freddy smoot has been good run support did you see him take on Jacobs andf nearly knock himself out!

I saw that too many times during his stint in Minnesota. I like Smoot for the coverage decisions he makes on the field, but he is not great against the run. And his tackling skills are horrible. How many times has he hurt himself because he was throwing his body around instead of tackling? If he tries that against AD, he's going to get leveled.

Who the hell is AD? Do you mean AP?
And Smoot stunk in Minny, but he has always played well for the Skins.

JSPB22 wrote:Who the hell is AD? Do you mean AP?

They call him AD because they say he runs All Day. I wonder what they'll change it to on Monday morning?

1niksder wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Who the hell is AD? Do you mean AP?

They call him AD because they say he runs All Day. I wonder what they'll change it to on Monday morning?

AD ESPN = All Day - Except Sundays Past Noon

This guy is very good but, you know what, Barry Sanders did it forever and that Detroit team was not that great - this will be an interesting match up but it will still come down to who wants it more.

SkinsJock wrote:it will still come down to who wants it more.

I do! I do!

SkinsJock wrote:

1niksder wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Who the hell is AD? Do you mean AP?

They call him AD because they say he runs All Day. I wonder what they'll change it to on Monday morning?

AD ESPN = All Day - Except Sundays Past Noon

This guy is very good but, you know what, Barry Sanders did it forever and that Detroit team was not that great - this will be an interesting match up but it will still come down to who wants it more.

Is someone trying to compare Adrian and Barry Sanders?

Wow I think that is a little pre mature whoever did that.

Anyhow there will never ever ever be another Barry Sanders. Such a shame he left the game so early in his career, with so much left in the tank.

Adrian may be the next great running back but he has to put in some more years for us to really see. So far he has gotten injured like alot of people predicted.

Remember Herschel Walker? Herschel Walker was one of the most exciting players to ever dawn a uniform. He had the bad luck of playing on some horrible teams. After he was traded to Minnesota he still had the skills but played on mediocre teams his whole career.

Adrian Peterson reminds me of Herschel Walker.

SkinsJock wrote:

1niksder wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Who the hell is AD? Do you mean AP?

They call him AD because they say he runs All Day. I wonder what they'll change it to on Monday morning?

AD ESPN = All Day - Except Sundays Past Noon

This guy is very good but, you know what, Barry Sanders did it forever and that Detroit team was not that great - this will be an interesting match up but it will still come down to who wants it more.

Sanders also played on a team that had a terrible defense, and No O-line to speak of.

Hit him hard early......
Stay in your lanes, swarm to the ball, don't bite on the play action.
Also prayers help......

I did not compare anyone - maybe someone else did? - I was referring to the fact that a single talent on a team will not make up for any lack of talent on that team - it takes 11 on offense and 11 on defense - a great QB like Brady has a lot more success with less talent playing together very well than a Dan Marino with better talented teams but not quite playing in sync. Similarly a great defensive player is only as good as how much better he makes the other players around him.

The Vikings are riding a nice wave of momentum but they are not as good a team as we are - we will win this game if we want it more and play better together - they have some great talent mixed in with some not so great pieces. We also have better coaching and if both our players and coaches can get it together this week. it's really simple - we win!

Most here are a little to enamored with the talent than with the team - the Redskins' hogs were a great case of a bunch of guys who together made each other better and just excelled - a lot of players are great for fantasy football but really by not making others better their team does not benefit from their stats.

let's not get started on stats ... that is a whole new quagmire

The Vikings are riding a nice wave of momentum but they are not as good a team as we are - we will win this game if we want it more and play better together - they have some great talent mixed in with some not so great pieces. We also have better coaching and if both our players and coaches can get it together this week. it's really simple - we win!

I think that you are vastly underrating the Vikings. They have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL and one of the best backs on offense, and defensively they are #1 in the NFL against the run, giving up only 67.9 yards on the ground.

We have a better passing game and a better pass defense.

The Vikings also have better special teams than we do.

As for coaching, that's difficult to say. Our staff has time management problems and gets conservative at the wrong times so I don't think it's accurate to flat out say that our coaches are doing a better job than they are.

It'll be a close game and I think we'll win, but if the team overlooks the Vikgins the way that you are we will lose the game.

What scares me about the Viqueens is the fact that the Skins have lost to worse teams this year.

The fans can think what they like - the Redskins are certainly not thinking they are better than the Vikings and vice versa - the players play, the team that wants it more will do whatever is required to win.

Who you beat or lost to means nothing to the players - they execute and as usual the team that makes the most of the few opportunities that happen during the game (on offense, defense and special teams) will win this game.

We are the better team, we just need to play well together and we should win - we should have beaten the Giants in that first game and we should have beaten the Packers - no big deal - this is a big deal because this game is the next game