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Welch - You need to get to more Skins games. You are a perfect 2 - 0 seeing the Skins at the Meadowlands this year.

Yes, but a gut-wrenching 0-1 in Washington...the Bills/Sean Taylor loss.

Added to my RFK game back in high school, I'm also a perfect 0-2 at home.

So....

I'm still trying to figure out how the Gints could open such huge holes in the second half. Somebody help me.

Most were draws, run against a defense playing the pass...

On defense, I thought Carter and Smoot were awsome. On offense, Portis was on fire and I give big props to Heyer and Samuels. I don't think Strahan's name was called once last night. I know Heyer had some help on some plays, as he should have, but he also stoned Strahan one-on-one on a lot of plays. The kid is coming along nicely.

HEROHAMO wrote:Todd Collins for president.

Next year is 08, isn't it? For that great year I don't know about President, but I'll go with Todd Collins for backup!

NOTE: Joe Gibbs' Redskins are batting 1.000 in December for the second time in three years.

Who knew this HOF coach could still rally his guys to play hard?

Better yet, who ever doubted him?


Correction: 2-1 (.666) in December, so far. Still, pretty good.

crazyhorse1 wrote:What really worries me is that our D looked terrible against the ground game by the forth quarter. What will Peterson do to us? If we can't figure out how to plug a few holes we'll be in trouble.

But isn't that true when you play pretty much any running team? That's why teams try to run 20 times in the beginning of the game even if they're not gaining much ground. Waear the other team down for the fourth quarter, right?

Not really a big concern to me. I think most defenses would be pretty worn down after tackling that beast Jacobs 25 times.

Good win last night. I can't stand the Gnats. Also, I can't say enough how impressed I've been with Smoot over the last few weeks. He was great in coverage last night and even got in on some tackles! Burress must have 9 inches on him too.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Todd Collins for president.

Next year is 08, isn't it? For that great year I don't know about President, but I'll go with Todd Collins for backup!

Collins looks great for backup next year, but we should bring in a prospect from later rounds to replace that third string guy.

riggofan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:What really worries me is that our D looked terrible against the ground game by the forth quarter. What will Peterson do to us? If we can't figure out how to plug a few holes we'll be in trouble.

But isn't that true when you play pretty much any running team? That's why teams try to run 20 times in the beginning of the game even if they're not gaining much ground. Waear the other team down for the fourth quarter, right?

Not really a big concern to me. I think most defenses would be pretty worn down after tackling that beast Jacobs 25 times.

Good win last night. I can't stand the Gnats. Also, I can't say enough how impressed I've been with Smoot over the last few weeks. He was great in coverage last night and even got in on some tackles! Burress must have 9 inches on him too.

Thats true. Jacobs is a beast. Plus, as cold as it was, those hits hurt even more in that cold. I mean getting hit by Jacobs would be simular to getting hit by Sellers. Who, wants to get hit by that truck?

Peterson, aint the mack truck Jacobs is. Peterson has much more athletic ablities than Jacobs, but they will much rather get tackle Peterson than Jacobs.

welch wrote:
- Thinking about it, I think Manning had an unusual number of passes batted down or into the air. Someone with a statistical taste might look it up, but it seemed that way.

the announcers touched on this, stating somthing to the effect that Eli leads the league this year in batted passes at the line of scrimmage, and that the Skins had 3 batted passes last night alone against Eli...

dmwc wrote:

JCaptMorgan12 wrote:Several things I noted about tonight's game:

1. Landry is progressing quite nicely in his first season (better than I thought he would)
2. Doughty is filling in admirably
3. Heyer is better than people think (outside this Skins organization); he pretty much shut-down the Giants pass rush
4. Portis is nasty (reconfirmed) as a blocking back, and a RB
5. Torrence is terrible; he could have blown this game by himself, and I think any WR that matches up with him will have an easy day catching balls, as Landry gets to the guy Torrence is covering before Torrence does...
6. I think it shows that Gibbs trusts Collins more than Campbell (shown by passing the ball more with the lead, even though the Skins were running the ball well

1. Agree but think he is DROY... except for those dumb penalties he makes
2. Agreed
3. He had help tonite... LA was in alot... CS should have played a little better I think.
4. The best TOTAL RB, Betts did better today as well
5. He is terrible, hope he can improve
6. Might be right, but Collins has little cannon compared to JC, oh and JC has only 15 games, Collins has played since '97

The NYG dropped alot of balls and I almost felt sorry for EM. Good win!

1. That penalty was terrible... he made an amazing play, and then gave it right back to them, heart-breaking...
3. I did forget about the help that LA gave him, speaking of which, he has also stepped up nicely for the Skins as a utility player...
5. I don't see much hope for Torrence, both Moss and Smith caught passes easily when defended by Torrence... not to mention, as Madden pointed out, the Giants could have throw to Moss/Smith a lot more in the 4Q, since Torrence was playing 10+ yds off of them every play... it was embarassing to watch him try to look for the ball when it was in the air, I was surprised he didn't trip over his own feet more...
6. Agreed about the arm strength... but I think Gibbs feels that Collins will not make the same mistakes... and although Collins has been around since before 97, Campbell has more passing attempts...

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:We earned every inch of this win. All 3 phases. To me Reed is still a liability, so is Torrence, and God forbid we ever see Eubanks again. But give credit to the Defense as a whole especially SMOOT, O-line especially Heyer and Samuels! Portis and Betts and TODD he did what he had to do, and those long ones to Moss we're PRETTY. Todd no turnovers! Landry- your just a puppy but you've got a mean bark, LaCanforna called him "OverAgressive" Thank God you are agressive LL without you our secondary would be getting used and abused. H.B. Blades!!! I SEE YOU SHINNING!!! My heart was in my throat right down to the last tick of that clock, did anyone notice how much pass interference the gmen we're committing and yet no flags for us, I saw moss get clobberd waiting on a pass, but hey a win like this I'm gonna cherish in a season that has brought soo much pain, tonight I feel proud of my team. Everyone of em' they earned it.

What really worries me is that our D looked terrible against the ground game by the forth quarter. What will Peterson do to us? If we can't figure out how to plug a few holes we'll be in trouble. Daniels made 1 tackle. Who was playing beside him. Did we get a tackle from any tackle other than Montgomery?, who was a beast. He and Carter wreaked havoc but no one else on the DL showed up.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Gints could open such huge holes in the second half. Somebody help me.i

I didn't see Griffin play much in the second half. At one point, I saw Lorenzo Alexander playing next to Montgomery. Our line went: Evans-Alexander-Montgomery-Carter.

Not exactly an A-list of run defenders.

PulpExposure wrote:Not exactly an A-list of run defenders.

Maybe not yet...

It certainly wasn't pretty, but I'll take it.

It was also nice to see the refs give US a break for a change.

We had, what, two penalties? ey's PI was southern by-product of a northbound bull. Landry's taunting was the only stupid mistake the team made, but I saw a lot of uncalled PI on both teams.

Who would have thought that an undrafted rookie like Heyer could keep Strahan quiet all night long?

No false starts, no holding penalties...refreshing!

I don't recall seeing Golsten play last nite... was he inactive?

Bob 0119 wrote:no holding penalties...refreshing!

At least one hold on a punt, but still a good night. Overall the refs kept the hamkies in their pockets, even in the face of obvious PI, on both teams.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:NOTE: Joe Gibbs' Redskins are batting 1.000 in December for the second time in three years.

Who knew this HOF coach could still rally his guys to play hard?

Better yet, who ever doubted him?


Correction: 2-1 (.666) in December, so far. Still, pretty good.

It's a 16-game season. Winning in December is irrelevant if a team blew games in Sept/Oct/Nov. Not trying to bash Gibbs here, but that "who ever doubted him" line is just silly.

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:NOTE: Joe Gibbs' Redskins are batting 1.000 in December for the second time in three years.

Who knew this HOF coach could still rally his guys to play hard?

Better yet, who ever doubted him?


Correction: 2-1 (.666) in December, so far. Still, pretty good.

It's a 16-game season. Winning in December is irrelevant if a team blew games in Sept/Oct/Nov. Not trying to bash Gibbs here, but that "who ever doubted him" line is just silly.

Historically, Joe's teams have done better at the end of the season. His winning percentage rises each month. So there really is no reason to doubt that we would play better at this point.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't recall seeing Golsten play last nite... was he inactive?

These were the inactives last night Jason Campbell, Anthony Mix, John Eubanks, Brian Kozlowski, Randall Godfrey, Mike Pucillo, and Ryan Boschetti.

Ok I know its talked about a lot on the Gameday Threads but can someone please explain to me why we implement a Prevent Offense every single time we have the lead. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, after we are up by 10 or more you can predict our plays as if someone stole the answers to a pop quiz.

Does anyone know if this is a gibbs thing a saunders thing or a our players can't execute thing... I absolutely hate being scared if we can hold on to win during the middle of the 3rd quarter because I know that we have stopped trying to score points completely.

xhadow wrote:Ok I know its talked about a lot on the Gameday Threads but can someone please explain to me why we implement a Prevent Offense every single time we have the lead. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, after we are up by 10 or more you can predict our plays as if someone stole the answers to a pop quiz.

Does anyone know if this is a gibbs thing a saunders thing or a our players can't execute thing... I absolutely hate being scared if we can hold on to win during the middle of the 3rd quarter because I know that we have stopped trying to score points completely.

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xhadow wrote:Ok I know its talked about a lot on the Gameday Threads but can someone please explain to me why we implement a Prevent Offense every single time we have the lead. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, after we are up by 10 or more you can predict our plays as if someone stole the answers to a pop quiz.

Does anyone know if this is a gibbs thing a saunders thing or a our players can't execute thing... I absolutely hate being scared if we can hold on to win during the middle of the 3rd quarter because I know that we have stopped trying to score points completely.

The theory for using the run when you’ve got a large lead (7 points or more) is to accomplish two things. Limit turnovers and burn clock.

Passing not only risks a turnover, but if the ball is incomplete, it stops the clock. If you come out and throw three incompletions, you’ve barely burned up any time, and now you have to punt. If you run three running plays, and don’t make the first down, you still have to punt, but you’ve also burned up 2-3 minutes of game clock (40 seconds of play clock x 3 downs + length of time of each play). You generally want to keep your runner away from the sidelines, because the clock stops if he gets knocked out of bounds.

That’s the theory anyway. It’s not just a JG or AS thing, it’s pretty common with most teams (except maybe the Patriots who can and usually do, score at will).

The only thing that are unique to JG and AS about this kind of clock management offense, is that most teams wait until the fourth quarter to use it, while we seem to start doing it from the opening drive of the third quarter.

JSPB22 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:NOTE: Joe Gibbs' Redskins are batting 1.000 in December for the second time in three years.

Who knew this HOF coach could still rally his guys to play hard?

Better yet, who ever doubted him?


Correction: 2-1 (.666) in December, so far. Still, pretty good.

It's a 16-game season. Winning in December is irrelevant if a team blew games in Sept/Oct/Nov. Not trying to bash Gibbs here, but that "who ever doubted him" line is just silly.

Historically, Joe's teams have done better at the end of the season. His winning percentage rises each month. So there really is no reason to doubt that we would play better at this point.

That's great and all, but as they say in the investment business, past performance is not an indicator of future success. Would be great to see this team win out, and make the playoffs though, especially after all the misfortune they've had to endure.

Mursilis wrote:That's great and all, but as they say in the investment business, past performance is not an indicator of future success.

I don't think that really applies to football.

xhadow wrote:Ok I know its talked about a lot on the Gameday Threads but can someone please explain to me why we implement a Prevent Offense every single time we have the lead. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, after we are up by 10 or more you can predict our plays as if someone stole the answers to a pop quiz.

Does anyone know if this is a gibbs thing a saunders thing or a our players can't execute thing... I absolutely hate being scared if we can hold on to win during the middle of the 3rd quarter because I know that we have stopped trying to score points completely.

I can't answer your question but I can tell you I cursed the playcalling from the middle of the 3rd quarter on. It made absolute no sense and could easily have cost the game. I give Gibbs and Co. no credit at all for their playcalling and strategy. It seemed to be just as stupid and hard headed as its been all season.

Of course, if they knew beforehand the Gints were going to drop nine passes, one could argue it was a good move. As is-- stupid for Sunday's game and stupid for next Sunday's, when we'll need an intact and rested defense.

Bob 0119 wrote:

xhadow wrote:Ok I know its talked about a lot on the Gameday Threads but can someone please explain to me why we implement a Prevent Offense every single time we have the lead. I think I speak for everyone here when I say, after we are up by 10 or more you can predict our plays as if someone stole the answers to a pop quiz.

Does anyone know if this is a gibbs thing a saunders thing or a our players can't execute thing... I absolutely hate being scared if we can hold on to win during the middle of the 3rd quarter because I know that we have stopped trying to score points completely.

The theory for using the run when you’ve got a large lead (7 points or more) is to accomplish two things. Limit turnovers and burn clock.

Passing not only risks a turnover, but if the ball is incomplete, it stops the clock. If you come out and throw three incompletions, you’ve barely burned up any time, and now you have to punt. If you run three running plays, and don’t make the first down, you still have to punt, but you’ve also burned up 2-3 minutes of game clock (40 seconds of play clock x 3 downs + length of time of each play). You generally want to keep your runner away from the sidelines, because the clock stops if he gets knocked out of bounds.

That’s the theory anyway. It’s not just a JG or AS thing, it’s pretty common with most teams (except maybe the Patriots who can and usually do, score at will).

The only thing that are unique to JG and AS about this kind of clock management offense, is that most teams wait until the fourth quarter to use it, while we seem to start doing it from the opening drive of the third quarter.

It hasn't and doesn't work for us, yesterday being no exception. We don't have the kind of defense that it up to the job. We've been pathetic all year on late D because our players are old and beat up and we don't have adequate replacements. Denying reality is dumb machismo and also evidence of the ego of a group of coaches who want to win by brilliant moves. They should lighten up and let the players play.

Gibbs would bench Favre. I guarantee it, just like Williams benched LaVar and let other top players get away.