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I think it was a very disapointing season from a football perspective and a tragic season from a team perspective.

We started out 2-0 and there were a few of us (well I was) that were not convinced that we were looking very promising at all - we only won the first 2 because the teams we played, lost them - we did not play very well at all and IMO we were not looking at all near what I was hoping and expecting.

At the halfway point we were 5-3 and the team, to me, was looking a lot like the team from the year before, not tackling, not able to establish a solid ground game and certainly not as good on defense as the year before!

The injuries are a part of the game. The coaching and the execution continue to plague this team - actually, maybe the execution is somewhat due to the coaching - I do expect major coaching changes here and we have to get a offensive line that is dominating the opposing defensive line and a defensive line that can consistently stop the run and sack the QB

Hey guys, we won last night.

I am looking forward to the next game - I am convinced that we will beat the Giants on their field. just love to watch that team disintegrate

NC43Hog wrote:Hey guys, we won last night.

Stop clouding the issue with reality.
Enjoying a win for a win leaves nothing to complain about.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Shut him down for the season. The Todd Collins era is here!!!!!

I highly doubt this is the beginning of the TC era, but he sure appears to be fully capable of doing more than a suffuient job as the backup.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:If I thought the thread was referring to non-football related issues as making this "the worst season ever" I would have answered the question differently. We do already have numerous threads dedicated to Sean Taylor already, so this thread struck me as either entirely football related or entirely superfluous to the existing threads.

That this is how you were addressing the point was pretty clear and posting that you were trivializing ST's senseless murder somehow were actually pretty cheap shots.

I agree, and those who were playing that game with your post knew better. When I see the title of the thread, my first thought is "from what perspective?"

In terms of tragedy and bad luck, yeah, I can't remember worse. The seasons and players lost during World War 2 were before my time, but there were a number of players lost across the league then. We have lost other players due to untimely death and injury, but never of the stature and talent of Sean Taylor. I remember the premature retirement of Mike Bass (it was he who picked the horrendously ill advised Garo Yaprenian and returned it for a touchdown in SB VII), due to a neck injury, but that certainly does not compare.

In terms of lack success on the field, though... not even close. Modern Redskins fans really don't know futility. This team is, even now, still in contention.

SkinsJock wrote:I am looking forward to the next game - I am convinced that we will beat the Giants on their field. just love to watch that team disintegrate

I don't share your confidence. The Giants have owned the Skins in recent years, and ESPECIALLY in NY.

grampi wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I am looking forward to the next game - I am convinced that we will beat the Giants on their field. just love to watch that team disintegrate

I don't share your confidence. The Giants have owned the Skins in recent years, and ESPECIALLY in NY.

I believe that we will win because we are a better team and we are playing against this Giants bunch - unfortunately for the Giants they cannot use any of their past teams' great players they have to play with this bunch and against one of the greatest football coaches ever

See? that was easy



actually - I am hoping to see the Eagles win this week and then after the Redskins, the Giants can go and beat the Patriots .... right

SkinsJock wrote:

grampi wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I am looking forward to the next game - I am convinced that we will beat the Giants on their field. just love to watch that team disintegrate

I don't share your confidence. The Giants have owned the Skins in recent years, and ESPECIALLY in NY.

I believe that we will win because we are a better team and we are playing against this Giants bunch - unfortunately for the Giants they cannot use any of their past teams' great players they have to play with this bunch and against one of the greatest football coaches ever

See? that was easy



actually - I am hoping to see the Eagles win this week and then after the Redskins, the Giants can go and beat the Patriots .... right

It doesn't matter how good or bad the Giants are, the Skins always go into a shell when they have to play them in NY. It's all psycological.

Unfortunately, we have been exactly what the doctor has ordered for the Giants over the last decade or so. I hope that will change on the 16th, and we can bat them around a bit - they are a fragile team right now and ripe for the picking.

NC43Hog wrote:Unfortunately, we have been exactly what the doctor has ordered for the Giants over the last decade or so. I hope that will change on the 16th, and we can bat them around a bit - they are a fragile team right now and ripe for the picking.

My only worry is that in Week 3, sitting at 0-2, they were pretty ripe for the picking. We gave them the confidence to go on a win-streak then, I'm just hoping (like everyone else) that they will return the favor.

SkinsJock wrote:actually - I am hoping to see the Eagles win this week and then after the Redskins, the Giants can go and beat the Patriots .... right

No, we'll take care of the Pats in a rematch that in a game that ends in a Roman Numeral and that road goes through NY, so I guarantee you we will win.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:actually - I am hoping to see the Eagles win this week and then after the Redskins, the Giants can go and beat the Patriots .... right

No, we'll take care of the Pats in a rematch that in a game that ends in a Roman Numeral and that road goes through NY, so I guarantee you we will win.

With the odds currently at a gazillion to one, I think I'll place a buck on that action...

SkinsJock wrote:IAt the halfway point we were 5-3 and the team, to me, was looking a lot like the team from the year before, not tackling, not able to establish a solid ground game and certainly not as good on defense as the year before!

Are you watching the same defense as I am ? We were horrid on defense last year, we are 9th in the league this year. I don't think we had more than 2 int's last year, Springs had two last night and Sean had 5 for the season and London had one and a touchdown and Carlos did as well. Jason looked very good for a young starter. Not the same as last year. We have a good defense and a very good young QB., Clinton had 194 yds in one game and 134 in another, we lost the entire starting front line, we are close to getting it back. I for one, am excited for the way the Redskins are heading.

To try to put a summary to my view on this thread:

Everybody will speak bassed on the experience, or the knowledge, that they have. Some of us know the history of the team better than others and we do know that this is not the worst season from the football perspectve by a LONG SHOT.

Most of you who claim that this is the worst season ever should check the history of the deadskins during the 60's. Ask Welch about it.

As far as on the field adversity against a GOOD team, I think this season is one of the worse ones with the injuries and changes on key positions. And still, we have a team that is playing hard to make the playoffs.

The fan base tends to judge the Redskins based on the latest results and four losses in a row are not good news. I hope that yesterday's wins and others to follow help you all gain some perspective.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Most of you who claim that this is the worst season ever should check the history of the deadskins during the 60's.

To be fair, I was very young back then.

This one gets my vote for worst ever. And we're not even gonna get a top 10 pick when its all said and done. Worst ever no doubt.

In spite of all the terrible things have happened this year:

Sean's tragic death . . .

Injuries to Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, Campbell, Washington, Springs, Moss, Thrash, Portis, Sellers and Lloyd . . .

Boneheaded and over-conservative play calling on offense and defense, particularly in the second half of games . . .

In spite of all that, it's December, and the Redskins are still alive and in the playoff hunt. The players are still fighting and they are playing together as a team. I am not ready to call this the worst season ever.

Spurrier's last season was the worst season in recent memory, followed closely by Turner's last season. Both times thye players seemed to give up on the coaching staff. I don't see that here. I think that Gibbs has made a lot of mistakes this year and has become way too conservative, but I still give him credit for overcoming a lot of setbacks and keeping the team focused. As bad as this year has been, things could be much much worse. Imagine if we had Miami's record and Sean had been killed. That would definitely be the worst year ever.

Redskin in Canada wrote:To try to put a summary to my view on this thread:

Everybody will speak bassed on the experience, or the knowledge, that they have. Some of us know the history of the team better than others and we do know that this is not the worst season from the football perspectve by a LONG SHOT.

Most of you who claim that this is the worst season ever should check the history of the deadskins during the 60's. Ask Welch about it.

As far as on the field adversity against a GOOD team, I think this season is one of the worse ones with the injuries and changes on key positions. And still, we have a team that is playing hard to make the playoffs.

The fan base tends to judge the Redskins based on the latest results and four losses in a row are not good news. I hope that yesterday's wins and others to follow help you all gain some perspective.

RIC's the only one making sense in this thread.

doeslammer wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:IAt the halfway point we were 5-3 and the team, to me, was looking a lot like the team from the year before, not tackling, not able to establish a solid ground game and certainly not as good on defense as the year before!

Are you watching the same defense as I am ? We were horrid on defense last year, we are 9th in the league this year. I don't think we had more than 2 int's last year, Springs had two last night and Sean had 5 for the season and London had one and a touchdown and Carlos did as well. Jason looked very good for a young starter. Not the same as last year. We have a good defense and a very good young QB., Clinton had 194 yds in one game and 134 in another, we lost the entire starting front line, we are close to getting it back. I for one, am excited for the way the Redskins are heading.

My bad about the defensive comparison to last year I meant to the year before
My point about the defense is that we did not get anyone to help along the line because we were told the guys we already had here were going to be given the opportunity to show that we did not need to add anyone and that IMO has not been as successful as the coaches indicated because we are still not getting enough from the front 4 - that and some missing pieces in our secondary were why we had some nervous moments at the end of Thursdays game

I am encouraged by Campbells progress BUT he has started 17 games and he is still taking way too long to get rid of the ball - that is why it looked like the line was blocking better for Collins - Campbell is still playing at a slow pace and most QBs have picked up the speed of the game after 12 games - he is looking very good though and I am as excited as everyone else about his future.
hopefully he can get some practice time with his WRs this coming off season because from what we are told Campbell has not been able to practice with a lot of his receivers recently because many of them are being rested due to injuries.

as I said earlier IMO this has been a tragic year and we have had some bad play and some bad coaching and things do look bleak but this season can only be evaluated at the end and a lot of the bad plays and bad coaching will be forgotten somewhat by these last 4 games

"Worse season ever" doesn't necessarily mean worse record ever. Things other than our record have to be considered. We've had a combination of tragedy, key injuries, bone-head coaching and playcalling, bad bounces, faillures in the clutch, ridiculous losses to inferior teams, and inexplicable lapses that staggers the imagination. We lost one game in which we just about to doubled our opponent's yardage, and have set records for losses after being ahead at the half..

For sheer, hair-tearing hell, this really has been the Skins's worse season ever, at least since I've been watching (since 1953).

crazyhorse1 wrote:"Worse season ever" doesn't necessarily mean worse record ever. Things other than our record have to be considered. We've had a combination of tragedy, key injuries, bone-head coaching and playcalling, bad bounces, faillures in the clutch, ridiculous losses to inferior teams, and inexplicable lapses that staggers the imagination. We lost one game in which we just about to doubled our opponent's yardage, and have set records for losses after being ahead at the half..

For sheer, hair-tearing hell, this really has been the Skins's worse season ever, at least since I've been watching (since 1953).

Wow, crazyhorse is the ONLY one making sense in this thread.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:"Worse season ever" doesn't necessarily mean worse record ever. Things other than our record have to be considered. We've had a combination of tragedy, key injuries, bone-head coaching and playcalling, bad bounces, faillures in the clutch, ridiculous losses to inferior teams, and inexplicable lapses that staggers the imagination. We lost one game in which we just about to doubled our opponent's yardage, and have set records for losses after being ahead at the half..

For sheer, hair-tearing hell, this really has been the Skins's worse season ever, at least since I've been watching (since 1953).

Wow, crazyhorse is the ONLY one making sense in this thread.

I don't like it when you don't take your meds.

Countertrey wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:"Worse season ever" doesn't necessarily mean worse record ever. Things other than our record have to be considered. We've had a combination of tragedy, key injuries, bone-head coaching and playcalling, bad bounces, faillures in the clutch, ridiculous losses to inferior teams, and inexplicable lapses that staggers the imagination. We lost one game in which we just about to doubled our opponent's yardage, and have set records for losses after being ahead at the half..

For sheer, hair-tearing hell, this really has been the Skins's worse season ever, at least since I've been watching (since 1953).

Wow, crazyhorse is the ONLY one making sense in this thread.

I don't like it when you don't take your meds.

How did you kn....I mean I don't need to take meds! Whew, I think he bought it. Don't you? I do what do you think? I think so too. Good.

Crazyhorse -- you have me beat on how long you've been a fan by 15 years but I agree with you about this season. It's all about expectations. You know your teams stinks, you expect to lose. You know (maybe I need to say, "think") your team is good, you expect to win.

I know I'm a homer, but I admit it...the reason this season has been the worst for me is that I truly believe that we gave away 5 of these games. If we only give away 3 of them and we're 8-5 now - we're seriously in the playoff hunt. We've given them away in many ways too -- coaching blunders, player blunders (our stars mainly), injuries and just no luck.

We should never have lost to Buffalo, Giants, Packers, Eagles, or Bucs. The Pats beat us bad and the Cowboys were ahead most of the game so I can't say we should have won that one. We had a chance but we didn't "give it away" like we did with the other games.

To be a better team than those 5 teams and lose is what frustrates me. I actually took the Pats loss okay, they were better, no questions...period. If we can't accept those loses, quit watching... In the 60's and 70's we stunk, we lost but we knew going in we'd lose -- I can actually handle that.

To lose 5 of 7 games by giving the freaking games away is totally frustrating.

The Bills game wasn't lost by the final penalty by Gibbs. I never believe a single play, especially the final play, loses a game. That game was lost for 2 reasons: 1) we couldn't get a TD in the first half and settled for FGs and 2) probably most telling was that we got a grand total of 80 rushing yards on 30!!! carries. Less than 3 yards per carry. Portis had like 45 yards on 23 carries...many for 1 or 2 yards -- pitiful.

The earlier loses to the Giants and Eagles and Packers were the result of Gibbs and Saunders not trusting the injuried OLine and QB and their unwillingness to open the game up. Once they opened up the Offense we've moved the ball pretty well (not in the redzone). In the first half of the year our offense was so horrible and I really blame it on play calling...It looked to me to be a wild stallion that wanted to go but it was being held back.

Tampa Bay -- 6 turnovers, for us and NONE for them -- find a game EVER where a team won with a minus 6 turnover ratio for the GAME! Our stars (Portis, Moss and Campbell) let us down.

Packers -- Moss should never have come back for that game, he fumbled and dropped passes like it was his job...He took the fall and should have. I love his game but he lost that game for us by his inability to do anything positive. I'm sure there was other bad stuff to blame but I don't remember what they were.

Oh well, that's the past -- I know that we can beat the Giants and Vikes -- I know we're as good as the Giants, if not better and I know we have more talent than the Vikes. Let's hope the Cowboys have locked up home field by then and go with 2nd teamers all game. I'm not as convinced we're better than them.

If we end up winning our last 3 games and go 9-7 - we actually have a very good chance at the playoffs -- there I go again -- getting my hopes up only to see us give a game away!! Say it ain't so?