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gregory smith wrote:Perhaps I was, ya know, agreeing with you.
HEROHAMO wrote:Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?
I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.
My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.
Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.
I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.
Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.
So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.
Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.
Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.
So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.
I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.
So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.
JSPB22 wrote:HEROHAMO wrote:Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?
I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.
My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.
Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.
I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.
Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.
So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.
Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.
Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.
So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.
I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.
So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.
I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down. This is the first time (OK maybe the second, if you include Schottenheimer's season) in the past 15 years that I think the Redskins are actually going in the right direction as an organization. Sorry Master Shake, but I can't digg it.
That's not to say we've given up on the team or any of that nonsense. However, we think it is time for Gibbs to strongly consider stepping into a role that allows him to build relationships with players without the stress inherent in coaching.
6) We would love, very much, for the team to roll through the rest of the season like men possessed. We would love to look back on this piece and chide ourselves for getting overly caught up in a loss.
Fios wrote:JSPB22 wrote:HEROHAMO wrote:Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?
I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.
My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.
Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.
I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.
Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.
So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.
Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.
Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.
So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.
I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.
So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.
I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down. This is the first time (OK maybe the second, if you include Schottenheimer's season) in the past 15 years that I think the Redskins are actually going in the right direction as an organization. Sorry Master Shake, but I can't digg it.
That's fair, I'm not claiming I'm absolutely right, obviously there are enough games left to make the piece seem foolish in retrospect and I'd be more than willing to play the fool here. I do have to quote this though because I think people keep skipping this point:That's not to say we've given up on the team or any of that nonsense. However, we think it is time for Gibbs to strongly consider stepping into a role that allows him to build relationships with players without the stress inherent in coaching.
6) We would love, very much, for the team to roll through the rest of the season like men possessed. We would love to look back on this piece and chide ourselves for getting overly caught up in a loss.
Mursilis wrote:REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:I personally believe Joe will turn this thing around.
What does that MEAN EXACTLY? Is 'turning this thing around" going above .500? Making the playoffs? Winning the Super Bowl? It needs to be quantified. Just improving on 5-11 is nothing - that's too low a bar.
I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down.
Fios wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'll never call for Joe to go. It's not just nostalgia. I said not "just." None of the Joe Schmos in between gave me any more hope then that Joe will figure it out.
How many coaches wallowed in mediocrity before they started to put it together, like Belichick and Cowher? So, logically, not just nostalgically, do we dump (actively, quietly, whatever) the guy who HAS solved the puzzle before for someone who hasnt'? How does that make sense?
I mean I have essentially advanced that same argument myself, god knows I have a long track record of defending Gibbs on this site. But I just don't see him adapting quickly enough, if at all, to help solve the current puzzle. So I appreciate his track record but I question how many chances that buys him.
ey are forgoing free agency to stay. They aren't doing that just because they like him.
aswas71788 wrote:The reviled Steve Spurrier won 37% of his games while he was here. Joe Gibbs has won 43% of his games, including this year so far. A 6% better win percentage is not a turn-around or significant improvement. All it means is that he has won 2 - 3 more games than Spurrier did. And I am not advocating bring Spurrier back either!!!
I disagree. His personnel moves have been the best moves he's made. It's his coaching that is lacking. How many times have we heard about his famous halftime adjustments? His adjustments are so good they're invisible.Snout wrote:Step aside and defer to a real GM on personnel decisions? Yes.
Step aside as head coach? No.
crazyhorse1 wrote:aswas71788 wrote:The reviled Steve Spurrier won 37% of his games while he was here. Joe Gibbs has won 43% of his games, including this year so far. A 6% better win percentage is not a turn-around or significant improvement. All it means is that he has won 2 - 3 more games than Spurrier did. And I am not advocating bring Spurrier back either!!!
When you figure that Spurrier was working with much less coaching and playing talent than Gibbs has been, the comparison is even more eye-opening.
The ineptitude of both has been extremely disappointing. Not only have they lost, they've both lost while pursuing absurdities and refusing to adapt.
CanesSkins26 wrote:JSPB22 wrote:I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down.
Turnaround? What turnaround? We had a nice 6 game stretch in 2005. Other than that this team under Gibbs has been AWFUL. Last year we finished 5-11, the same as in Spurrier's last season and the worst season of Gibbs' career. Last week we had Gibbs' worst loss. There seem to be a lot of "worsts" associated with Gibbs' second tenure here. 3 and a half seasons in and we still have problems between players and coaches (Lavar, Arch, Lloyd). We have utterly thrown away draft picks and as a result have no real depth on this team. We have no identity on offense and for the second straight year appear to be changing things up mid-season. We have game/clock management that a rookie head coach couldn't get away with and how many times have we seen Gibbs with that blank, confused, and uncertain look on his face? All we hear from the team and coaches is how they are being too conservative, but what exactly do they do to fix the problem? Nothing. And yes we have injuries, but we were healthy early on in the season, and the Lions game notwithstanding, our offense has looked like garbage in every other game. The Dolphins have gotten blown out in every game and we had to go to overtime to beat them and only scored 16 points against them. This team is definitely not going in the right direction.
They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.
CanesSkins26 wrote: How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.
1niksder wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote: How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.
CP said not one ball hit the ground during practice last week and everybody was on the same page. Gibbs feels the only way to get them going is for the O-line to be physical. Best way to do that is have them go out and push people off the ball.
CanesSkins26 wrote:They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.
What about our offense even remotely indicates that they are well coached? The fact that 2 seasons in a row we are switching gears mid season? Our 28th overall ranking? The lack of meaningful half time adjustments? The overly conservative play calling that has lost us two games this season already? The inability to run block, pass block, successfully run the ball, or successfully throw the ball? How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.
CanesSkins26 wrote:They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.
What about our offense even remotely indicates that they are well coached? The fact that 2 seasons in a row we are switching gears mid season? Our 28th overall ranking? The lack of meaningful half time adjustments? The overly conservative play calling that has lost us two games this season already? The inability to run block, pass block, successfully run the ball, or successfully throw the ball? How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.
I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.
CanesSkins26 wrote:I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.
Of course the players are going to like the staff. We hand out huge contracts to players that don't perform, let players play that aren't even worthy of being backups (Thrash), and Gibbs coddles the players by always talking about how hard they fought and all that nonsense. Greg Williams rips into his guys when they screw up. The defensive players are afraid of Williams, nobody is afraid of Gibbs. This team needs a coach that is going to fire them up, not a grandfather figure like Paterno or Bowden. You think that any of the defensive players have the option to take themselves out of a game at will? No chance. Just imagine if Carlos Rogers took himself out of a game the way Moss did against Green Bay. GW would've been through the roof. There is absolutely no accountability among the offensive players and that is all Gibbs' fault.`
CanesSkins26 wrote:JSPB22 wrote:I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.
Of course the players are going to like the staff. We hand out huge contracts to players that don't perform, let players play that aren't even worthy of being backups (Thrash), and Gibbs coddles the players by always talking about how hard they fought and all that nonsense.