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Agreed, I forgot to mention the "mysterious communications issues" that the visiting team always seems to encounter at Gillette.

Don't get me wrong. The redskins deserved to lose 52-7. They were out-coached, out-played and out-worked. ou still don't go deep up 38 with 10 minutes left.

The Patriots have forgotten the term "sportsmanship". Going for it on fourth down late in the last quarter is lack of sportsmanship and respect for the other team.

This is not a life and death situation, it´s a game. Winning 38-0 clearly demonstrates you are the better team. There´s no need to rub it in.

Some posters have mentioned that playing hard and scoring points is exactly what the Pats are paid for and there is nothing objectionable with that. That´s partly true. Above everything, however, is sportsmanship. If you forget this principle, then you can start playing dirty, hurting opposing players on purpose and cheating.

Wait a sec...the Patriots have already done one of those things.

JansenFan wrote:I don't have a problem with the Pats scoring 52 points, but I didn't appreciate the way they did it. 38-0 and throwing bombs isn't going for the jugular. The jugular is already gone at that point. That's blatent disrespect for your opponent and the game. I lost a lot of respect for the Patriots, Belichek and Brady. There's winning and then there's winning with class. The later is something the Patriots apparently know nothing about.

Isn't it funny? Prior to the game, much of the board stuck your chests out and insisted that the Patriots would not score 30 points against the Redskins' tough top-5 defense...

Now 2/3rds of this thread (to this point) are complaining that the Patriots ran up the score on that tough top-5 defense.

Check yourselves and think about where your anger really needs to be pointed.

Outside of the forced fumble, can you name one single Redskin on either side of the ball that made a big play? Okay, ey showed that he wasn't giving up like a chump when he refused to be held out of the end zone on that play, but name one other big play that a Skin made.

London Fletcher was the only defender that seemed to play with purpose. All I saw was Skins players doing a bunch of blabbing and pushing after almost every tackle, while the Patriots just went up and down the field on them, gaining what had to be 7-8 yards a play...from start to finish.

We know the offensive line is still hit-up, but did anybody break a tackle yesterday? What was the Skins' longest play from scrimmage? Can we all agree that their best drive was the first drive, in which they got 3 straight first downs? And is it me or did Gibbs go run-run-pass-punt at the first sign that the Pats were adjusting to the short passing game that was pretty successful on the first drive?

Belechick put in Brady's backup and he went right down the field, capping the scoring drive with a 16 yard touchdown run... and they ran up the score? The backup runs 16 yards and through 2 Skins for a score and your complaint is they ran the score up? Then Belechick brought in the 3rd stringer. Um, what else did you want him to do? His 2nd team went right down the field to make it 52-0, so he puts the 3rd string QB in.

See how pathetic this claim is? If Belechick doesn't make any moves, the final score is:

66-0

...then you might have a case. The Skins defense needs to just take this one like men and come back with an actual pulse next week. Coaches got outcoached and players got outplayed...badly. And when that happens, sometimes you get beat 52-7.

I accuse the Redskins offense of RUNNING DOWN THE SCORE.

JansenFan wrote:Agreed, I forgot to mention the "mysterious communications issues" that the visiting team always seems to encounter at Gillette.

Don't get me wrong. The redskins deserved to lose 52-7. They were out-coached, out-played and out-worked. ou still don't go deep up 38 with 10 minutes left.

But why not? Was anyone complaining during the 41-10 pasting of the Lions back in '91? I mean, look at it this way, that kind of win, and the types of wins that the Patriots have had thus far this season are statement wins. More to the point they are STATEMENT WINS. Their future opponents look at the scores thus far and issue a collective low whistle, they haven't even snapped the football and Belichick is already in their heads. I just can't take issue with a team playing with its foot firmly on the accelerator for 60 minutes. Additionally, and this is crazy talk, I know but what if the Redskins won the NFC? Their likely opponent absolutely owned them, you don't think that sticks in their minds? It's a game of advantages and the Pats do it better than anyone else. Hell, Belichick might as well be the author of this particular verse:

Beat em, Swamp em, Touchdown, Let the points soar

We either mean that when we sing it or we don't. Either way, it's tough to complain when it's happening to us.

BeeGee wrote:Running up the score with Tom Brady is one thing. Running up the score with Matt Cassel is a laughable accusation. Cassel came in the game with mud to wipe off of his face from getting yanked last week. As much as some of the Skins want to make this about running up the score, it wasn't. Jesus Christ, it was a 31-point blowout after the first drive of the 2nd half! Then it was 38-0, then 45-0.

Sorry, but they should've felt disrespected by halftime. The skins shouldve had absolutely ZERO COMMENTS after this game. Too late to get pissed at Belechick now. He stated his philosphy last week for Christ's sake.

Cowboys still suck !!(mods: ban me for a spell if you need to but not for life please...had to be said to a cowgirl fan.) However, I agree. It is the REDSKINS responsibility to not let them run up the score.

If the Pats had any class at all, they won't have felt the need to cheat. When your team is already an elite team, why feel the need to blatantly break the rules like they did? It just smacks of arrogance and disrespect for the game.

Which is exactly why they're doing what they're doing. You're going to tell me that if the Skins won 3 SB and people accused them of being cheaters you wouldn't set out to prove everyone wrong??? Note to the NFL you better be prepared to play 60 min. against the Pats!!
Last time I checked there were 4 15 min quarters right??

How can you be mad at a team who has a fouth and 2 and doesn't kick a FG..instead they run a QB sneak...and get it!!!

I've said it two times already...They were the team who played like they were behind 38-0!!

ou still don't go deep up 38 with 10 minutes left.

That's a rule???? Who knew?

Going for it on fourth down late in the last quarter is lack of sportsmanship and respect for the other team.

Who says?

Going for it on fourth down can be cured by stopping them.

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JansenFan wrote:Agreed, I forgot to mention the "mysterious communications issues" that the visiting team always seems to encounter at Gillette.

Don't get me wrong. The redskins deserved to lose 52-7. They were out-coached, out-played and out-worked. ou still don't go deep up 38 with 10 minutes left.

But why not? Was anyone complaining during the 41-10 pasting of the Lions back in '91? I mean, look at it this way, that kind of win, and the types of wins that the Patriots have had thus far this season are statement wins. More to the point they are STATEMENT WINS. Their future opponents look at the scores thus far and issue a collective low whistle, they haven't even snapped the football and Belichick is already in their heads. I just can't take issue with a team playing with its foot firmly on the accelerator for 60 minutes. Additionally, and this is crazy talk, I know but what if the Redskins won the NFC? Their likely opponent absolutely owned them, you don't think that sticks in their minds? It's a game of advantages and the Pats do it better than anyone else. Hell, Belichick might as well be the author of this particular verse:

Beat em, Swamp em, Touchdown, Let the points soar

We either mean that when we sing it or we don't. Either way, it's tough to complain when it's happening to us.

As I said, I don't have a problem with them putting up 52. I'm not suggesting that they punt on first down. They would have likely scored 52 anyway, and they deserved to put up 52. How they did it was classless, plain and simple.

It reminds me of an NBA player whose name slips my mind. He was one rebound away from a record, so he puts a lay-up on the boards so that he can get his own rebound and break the record.

Had the Patriots scored 52 without going deep, or to a much lesser extent the two fourth down conversions because, while the they were overkill, at least you could mark that up as trying to kill the clock, I'd be applauding them. Instead, I will be a defacto Colts fan next week.

JansenFan wrote:It reminds me of an NBA player whose name slips my mind. He was one rebound away from a record, so he puts a lay-up on the boards so that he can get his own rebound and break the record.

Oh you just had to drag Cleveland into this, didn't you? It was Ricky Davis, I remember that sad event all too well

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I have more tissues left over from yesterday.


The Patriots are professionals and aren't trained not to get 1st downs. It's not their fault that they scored 20+ points before the half. If the Redskins defense wants to be cry babies about it, thats their problem. I don't remeber one Redskin fan crying about the 35-7 blow out against Dallas. And I'm sure if we put up 50 on them none of you would have minded.


Wah wah wah, we got blown out. Wah wah wah. We lost. Oh shut up.

-Maybe the defense needs to start getting on the case of the offense that KEPT them on the field all day instead of whining about the Patriots.

-Maybe Andre Carter and Daniels need to learn how to consistently pass rush before they start whining about the patriots.

I mean really.. A bunch of crybabies is what you guys are. I love the fact that the Pats had the 'ballz' to run up the score. I swear to our Good Lord that if we ran it up, I'd be the first one to praise the Skins for it. You people who are saying you lost respect for the Pats are just simple. Honestly, what does respect have to do with any of it when your going up against another team? Maybe that's Gibbs problem to begin with, he still thinks this is the 80's or something. Someone else posted the games in which we ran up the scores in the past and they were right, not one of you had any problems with it. Ya'll make me sick. Like I said before, I'm glad they did it so our Skins can get mad and hopefully punish the Jets for it. As much as my skin crawlz to admit it, that cowpunk fool fan is absolutely right.

Oh, by the way cowpunk fan, I was the one who said.. "oh please, Pats scored almost 50 on you guys, you think they gonna do that to us?".. I admit it, you were right and I was wrong. I'll be a big man about it. But still, cowpunks can kiss my you know what!!!!

Go Skins !!!!!!!

i disagree with the 'classless win' remark.

i had much rather win like the pats did yesterday over the way we won the week before. its called handleling your business. no way were the pats about to let us even have a chance to block a FG for any momentum. no way were they going to let us come back in any way, shape or form. 4th down is no given. BB just trusts brady & the O more than he trusts the kicker and special teams.

i'm classless anyway. i believe in kicking a man while he's down..... especially if i put him there.

Running up the score is classless. I don't care what anyone else says. When the Skins beat the Lions 45-0 in 91 it wasn't because they could only put 45 on the Lions. No they could easily have added another TD or three. But Gibbs started just running the ball from the middle of the third quater on. They showed some class and it paid off because they saw them again in the NFC championship game.

The reason this bothers me is it looks like the Patriots are shooting for records at the expenses of their opposition. Wait until the Colts get drubbed by 20 next week and see you will see what I'm talking about.

I don't think the Colts or anyone else has a chance against that team with Brady playing the way he is. The line for the Colts/Patriots game should be Patriots by double diggits.

I still say that was bush league and pathetic how they tried to run up the score, but not as bad as the Redskins attempt at stopping it!

That's okay. Let him keep Brady in there. Let him run Brady on a QB sneak. Let them keep airing the ball out for 35 yards even though they are way ahead.

Eventually, a defender is going to finally get pissed and start taking cheap shots at their star talent.

Eventually, some linebacker is going to plow his helmet into Brady's and put him out for the season.

The NFL will probably suspend that player for a year, but the damage will already be done and so will the Patriots.

Any Cowgirl fan should remember that no QB is indestructable. Look what happened to them after Aikman. The difference being that the Cowgirls were never out to embarrass all of their opponents.

Yeah we deserved that loss.

Sure we weren't as good as we thought we were. 38-0 told us that. 41-7 would have told us that. Going for it on 4-2 when it would have been a chip-shot FG is stupid. Why put your star QB at risk? What does that accomplish? A meaningless touchdown? A padding of your stats?

BB is going to be in real trouble when he unessecarily risks what could possibly be one of the greatest QB's of all time, trying to get a meaningless touchdown, and loses him to injury.

Bob 0119 wrote:That's okay. Let him keep Brady in there. Let him run Brady on a QB sneak. Let them keep airing the ball out for 35 yards even though they are way ahead.

Eventually, a defender is going to finally get pissed and start taking cheap shots at their star talent.

Eventually, some linebacker is going to plow his helmet into Brady's and put him out for the season.

The NFL will probably suspend that player for a year, but the damage will already be done and so will the Patriots.

Any Cowgirl fan should remember that no QB is indestructable. Look what happened to them after Aikman. The difference being that the Cowgirls were never out to embarrass all of their opponents.

Yeah we deserved that loss.

Sure we weren't as good as we thought we were. 38-0 told us that. 41-7 would have told us that. Going for it on 4-2 when it would have been a chip-shot FG is stupid. Why put your star QB at risk? What does that accomplish? A meaningless touchdown? A padding of your stats?

BB is going to be in real trouble when he unessecarily risks what could possibly be one of the greatest QB's of all time, trying to get a meaningless touchdown, and loses him to injury.

Well said!

My first reaction was shame on them. But after thinking about it, maybe Gibbs will see that the game has passed him by and do what Spurrier did and leave for the good of the team (I doubt it). This is not the Joe Gibbs of years gone by. He looks more like Norv Turner or Steve Spurrier did with that totally lost look on his face.

The Pats did what they did. Hope they remember that when someone else does it to them, and they will. All teams have their turn at being good, middle of the road and bad. Look at any of the teams, Oakland, Detroit, San Francisco, Miami, etc. At one time, they were the cream of the NFL. Now look at them. New England will get their turn to be todays Miami.

I don't want Joe to leave but I hope it really embarrassed him to the point where he'll finally wake up. He's been in denial about some things.

I respect everyone's opinions but really now. I think ALL NFL teams should run up the score on everyone they play against. Alot of you have this "good guy" mentality, WACK! Just plain WACK! That's why I love the BCS in NCAAF, they have to run up the score. Please o please Gibbs, if you have the opportunity, run up the score too. By the way, when you say "Gibbs chose to run the ball in the third quarter" (from that old game), what if they came back and started scoring on us? Oh I know, then we'd try to get more TD's right? I mean, as long as we're up by 3 or 7 points we should be gentlemen huh? Isn't a 30+ lead better than a small one? Wouldn't it be better if we scored so many points that people CAN'T come back on us? I'm thinking that's the same logic that got us our loss against those bum azz Giants. So lets see here, we get a lead, we play conservative so we don't run up the score because we all know a true "good" team is one that has respect from other teams we play against and we just lose the game. Nice thinking guys. Your 'good guy' beliefs just cost us a game. Oh, and another thing, I didn't hear anyone complaining when the Pats put it on the cowpunks and the Dolphins.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I don't want Joe to leave but I hope it really embarrassed him to the point where he'll finally wake up. He's been in denial about some things.

Why not? He's in year 4 1/2 of a 5 year plan, and this is the best we've got? If he hasn't "woken up" by now, chances are, he's not going to wake up. I'm just hoping he can get back to .500 in his second term.

I could care less if the Pats ran the score up in the "traditional" way. By this, I mean, throwing 40 yd. passes on 1st, 2nd and/or 3rd down with little time left, while blowing us out by 40 points - rather than running it, and trying to wind the clock down.

What was classless, IMO, is the fact that a field goal to make it 41-0 wasn't good enough for them. ANY other team in the league, at that point, would have kicked a field goal. It was a chip shot.

Sure, the Pats are professionals, and sure, we should have stopped them, and sure, they should have pride in continuing to play till the end of the game. But what the hell difference does it make to be up by 45 points with 10 minutes left as opposed to being up 41 points?


We got dominated fair and square, and the game was over before halftime even. But when you have a blatant field goal opportunity to be up by 41 points near the end of the game, why not take it? TWICE, EVEN.

Gibbs' Hog wrote:
What was classless, IMO, is the fact that a field goal to make it 41-0 wasn't good enough for them. ANY other team in the league, at that point, would have kicked a field goal. It was a chip shot.

I'd have gone for the touchdown too. To me its simple math; 3 points is less than 7 points. Ta hell with that, go watch soccer if you want lower scores.

I hear the Pats are looking for fans. If you guys like that mentality, there's your team. I prefer winning with dignity and class. What's the point? To prove you're better than the other guy? Are you trying to compensate for something else?

Btw, did anyone else see the anger with which Chris ey ran over that dude for the touchdown? Tell me he wasn't mad about having the game rubbed in his face. If only they all would have played angry from the beginning.

JansenFan wrote:I hear the Pats are looking for fans. If you guys like that mentality, there's your team. I prefer winning with dignity and class. What's the point? To prove you're better than the other guy? Are you trying to compensate for something else?

Let's look at it this way, a few years ago, my Cleveland Indians went to New York and spanked the Yankees 22-0. Six of those runs came in the NINTH INNING. Never, ever, at any point during that game did I think, "gosh, this sure is classless." Hellllll no, I enjoyed each and every run, I cheered each time another Indian crossed the plate. Are you, as an O's fan, honestly going to tell me you saw that score and had sympathy for the Yankees or thought "man, Cleveland should have given away some at-bats?"
Why does being a fan of the Redskins or the Pats or any team have any bearing on my wanting a full-throttle, start-to-finish victory? These guys get paid a lot of money to do this, it costs me a lot of money to watch them, if I can get an occasional (or, god willing, frequent) butt-kicking thrown in there, more power to em.

That comment about Pats looking for fans, absolutley the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Trying to win with dignity and class.. yep, I'll remember that. I'll tell all my buddies that hey, we don't need to score alot of points, just go up 14 points and playing with "dignity and class" will get us a victory. I guess the Giants didn't get that memo huh Jansenfan? Good one.

Running up the score is classless. The game was over. Going for it on fourth down is a big eff you to the Skins. It is a move that is meant to humiliate and embarrass the opposition and has nothing to do with winning the game. The game was already won. Obviously, the players did exactly what they had to do, but BB is totally without class. It's not that he shouldn't be "allowed" to do it. But he should be prepared to face the consequences, which, as others have pointed out, will be cheap shots meant to injure his players.

I know everyone will think this is sour grapes, but I don't care. The Patriots are cheating. If you can scramble/block wireless communications, you can probably listen in on them too. BB has already been fined half a million dollars for cheating. That is just the surface. This will all come out eventually and it's just sad that the coach of a team so good feels like he has to cheat.

JansenFan wrote:I hear the Pats are looking for fans. If you guys like that mentality, there's your team. I prefer winning with dignity and class. What's the point? To prove you're better than the other guy? Are you trying to compensate for something else?

So at what does it become classless? Didn't we spank Dallas 35-7? Is 35 for the magic number? I known darn well if we would have score 40+ points in that game against Dallas everyone and their momma would be singing Gibb's praises.

Sure it was excessive by why get bent out of shape about it?

These men are professionals and how is Bill going to tell his 2nd string QB to just sit there and let us wail on him? If the TD is open, why not throw it? Maybe the Skins should come prepared to play 60 minutes worth of football.

Maybe they should have quit in the 3rd quarter (defense) cus Joe and his offense quit a few games ago. (just stirring pot, ignore last sentence) LOL

I think most people are upset that the Skins had the national stage and score ZERO POINTS. Z-E-R-0. 0. None. None at all. I'm partially happy they got exposed like that, maybe this will force Joe Gibbs to grow a pair gonads once he has a healthy offense. I'm sorry but 7 points in garbage time doesn't count when the defense is playing prevent.