Where Do We Go From Here?

[Countertrey]

If the Skins play the rest of the season like they did today, it'll be a long long horrific season to be sure.

I am glad we will only have to face the Pats one more time this season. We will be better prepared then.

Beautiful!

No, more like very silly. Any true fan should know they're not in our division.

Um, we'll be playing them again in February.

I wouldn't be packing my bags just yet, Homer.

Ignore him, TRO. He has no imagination. It's sad, really...

[dlc]

Campbell was playing very scared out there, there is no reason he should cough the ball up four times. He panicked out there.

You are disappointed, fine... but this statement is just plain ignorant. Why don't you look again, only this time look at the whole plays...

Sadly, I agree, but I don't blame JC. He seems like everything you want out of a young QB, tall, big arm, a little mobile, poised and very coachable. The last part is what I think the problem is. It's frightening to see that he's turning into Mark Brunell.

He's not scared, he's just drank the Koolaid that if he doesn't make any bad throws, we'll win. They'll probably press into his brain that the deep interception was his biggest mistake of the game, when it is actually the fact that he was never coached to hold the ball with two hands when looking for a person to throw to.

IMO, JC will start to get worse, instead of better because in the 2nd Gibbs stint, that's the MO with QBs. They treat them like babies, so they perform like it. Maybe that goes for the rest of the team as well.

[Mursilis]

If the Skins play the rest of the season like they did today, it'll be a long long horrific season to be sure.

I am glad we will only have to face the Pats one more time this season. We will be better prepared then.

Beautiful!

No, more like very silly. Any true fan should know they're not in our division.

Um, we'll be playing them again in February.

I wouldn't be packing my bags just yet, Homer.

Ignore him, TRO. He has no imagination. It's sad, really...

Oh, I have quite a vivid imagination. In my imagination, the 'skins won yesterday. You should have seen it - they dominated on both sides of the ball. Campbell had over 400 yards, and Lloyd and ARE each had 2 TDs. The Pats doubled Moss, and paid for it. And Landry knocked Brady out of the game in the second quarter. It was a beatdown from the opening kickoff. The stadium was practically empty by the fourth quarter.

In real life the results were different.

[roybus14]

Where do we go from here?????

Good question. IMO, continue doing what they are doing and at the end of the season, blow this thing up. The biggest problem with this team is not the injuries on the O-Line or a young quarterback. It's philosophy and discipline. The defense is okay but GW needs to do a better job of in-game adjustments. NE is a superior team but they exploited us not blitzing and playing the long ball all day. GW never adjusted and he can improve because we're not playing NE every week.

IMO, the game has passed Joe Gibbs by and in his attempt to compensate for that, he bought in a guy that has an offensive scheme that is not "Redskins Football" and Joe never sold his players on that. Part of that is discipline and part of that is management. These guys made Saunders offense seem like it's some complex quantum physics when it was really them "not feelin' it" because Joe had them rolling at the end of 2005 with "Redskins Football." Now Joe can't decide whether or not he's running "Redskins Football" or Al's offense of a mixture of both. And that, IMO, has these players confused, undisciplined, etc. Al's offense is a proven one. Look at KC's success on offense during his time there.

Santana Moss' interview with Kelly Johnson on Comcast Post Game yesterday was very revealing IMO. He basically said they are running what they are told to run. And my best friend who played Division I College Football confirmed to me that when a player gives responses like Santana Moss was giving, they are telling you several things. 1) The plays that they are running suck... 2) Players are pointing the finger at their coaches for the lack of production on the offense, because they are running what they are told and it ain't working.... 3) They are not being held accountable for running what they are told and executing it. Missed blocking assignments, turnovers, etc....

[SkinsFreak]

I think Aikman made a good point yesterday. It used to be a league in which you would run the ball and stop the run. The NFL is different today. Just look at the teams that have been successful over the past decade or so. None of those teams are 'dominant' running teams. Yes, you still have to be able to run the ball, but in todays NFL, you gotta be able to pass the ball and stop the pass.

It 'seems' like the Skins offense knows about 8 plays. Defenses also know those 8 plays and seem to know exactly when the Skins will run them. They also know which 3 guys to cover; Portis, Moss and ey, because it seems like those are the only players that will get the ball in the Skins offense. Game planning for the Skins doesn't seem that difficult. Every team in the league knows the Skins will try to run the ball and control the clock. They simply load the box to stop the run and try to make Campbell beat them passing to mediocre receivers.

The Pat's were very successful at controlling the clock yesterday (39:49), and they did it without running on every play.

I fully support Gibbs, but I think he needs to recognize this.

[Fios]

I think Aikman made a good point yesterday. It used to be a league in which you would run the ball and stop the run. The NFL is different today. Just look at the teams that have been successful over the past decade or so. None of those teams are 'dominant' running teams. Yes, you still have to be able to run the ball, but in todays NFL, you gotta be able to pass the ball and stop the pass.

It 'seems' like the Skins offense knows about 8 plays. Defenses also know those 8 plays and seem to know exactly when the Skins will run them. They also know which 3 guys to cover; Portis, Moss and ey, because it seems like those are the only players that will get the ball in the Skins offense. Game planning for the Skins doesn't seem that difficult. Every team in the league knows the Skins will try to run the ball and control the clock. They simply load the box to stop the run and try to make Campbell beat them passing to mediocre receivers.

The Pat's were very successful at controlling the clock yesterday (39:49), and they did it without running on every play.

I fully support Gibbs, but I think he needs to recognize this.

I agree with what you've said here but, as a wise man pointed out to me last week, that lesson isn't likely to take root:

I can understand the general consensus amongst Redskins fans that Joe Gibbs plays too conservatively at times. I understand the logic that if it's broke, fix it. But this is what we signed up for. At least, this is what Dan Snyder signed us up for.

Joe Gibbs never really lit it up in his previous stint. He never adopted the run and shoot, or ran five wide sets while protecting a lead. You know that he is conservative, protective. He would rather run three times and punt than chance an interception and handing the ball to the opposition with good field position.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that your argument doesn't make sense. I guess I'm saying that I, for one, am not expecting anything to change drastically this week, or the next, or any week after that until Joe Gibbs retires (again). I'd be pleasantly surprised if it did, but I'm not 'hugging my breath', as my three year old would say.

I'm not hugging my breath either

[Mursilis]

I can understand the general consensus amongst Redskins fans that Joe Gibbs plays too conservatively at times. I understand the logic that if it's broke, fix it. But this is what we signed up for. At least, this is what Dan Snyder signed us up for.

Joe Gibbs never really lit it up in his previous stint. He never adopted the run and shoot, or ran five wide sets while protecting a lead. You know that he is conservative, protective. He would rather run three times and punt than chance an interception and handing the ball to the opposition with good field position.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that your argument doesn't make sense. I guess I'm saying that I, for one, am not expecting anything to change drastically this week, or the next, or any week after that until Joe Gibbs retires (again). I'd be pleasantly surprised if it did, but I'm not 'hugging my breath', as my three year old would say.

I'm not hugging my breath either

But I don't agree with JBD - Gibbs did, at one point, run a potent offense. Sure, it wasn't run n' shoot or feature much 5 WR sets, but it did build up the points. I'm thinking here about the '83 team, which broke the record for points in a season. It was only Gibbs' third year as a HC, and he still featured plenty of power running, but then he'd hit opponents with play action and launch some deep strikes. The 'skins O could definitely score points back during Gibbs I. One of the most vivid memories I have from back then was of a regular season game (forget the year) when the Redskins received the second half kickoff and, first play from scrimmage, launched a deep ball to a speedster named Calvin Muhammed (acquired from the Raiders in a trade) for a TD. 7 points, just like that. But that was then, this is now.

[SkinsFreak]

I think Aikman made a good point yesterday. It used to be a league in which you would run the ball and stop the run. The NFL is different today. Just look at the teams that have been successful over the past decade or so. None of those teams are 'dominant' running teams. Yes, you still have to be able to run the ball, but in todays NFL, you gotta be able to pass the ball and stop the pass.

It 'seems' like the Skins offense knows about 8 plays. Defenses also know those 8 plays and seem to know exactly when the Skins will run them. They also know which 3 guys to cover; Portis, Moss and ey, because it seems like those are the only players that will get the ball in the Skins offense. Game planning for the Skins doesn't seem that difficult. Every team in the league knows the Skins will try to run the ball and control the clock. They simply load the box to stop the run and try to make Campbell beat them passing to mediocre receivers.

The Pat's were very successful at controlling the clock yesterday (39:49), and they did it without running on every play.

I fully support Gibbs, but I think he needs to recognize this.

I agree with what you've said here but, as a wise man pointed out to me last week, that lesson isn't likely to take root:

I can understand the general consensus amongst Redskins fans that Joe Gibbs plays too conservatively at times. I understand the logic that if it's broke, fix it. But this is what we signed up for. At least, this is what Dan Snyder signed us up for.

Joe Gibbs never really lit it up in his previous stint. He never adopted the run and shoot, or ran five wide sets while protecting a lead. You know that he is conservative, protective. He would rather run three times and punt than chance an interception and handing the ball to the opposition with good field position.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or that your argument doesn't make sense. I guess I'm saying that I, for one, am not expecting anything to change drastically this week, or the next, or any week after that until Joe Gibbs retires (again). I'd be pleasantly surprised if it did, but I'm not 'hugging my breath', as my three year old would say.

I'm not hugging my breath either

As we all know, in 81', Gibbs employed the Air Coryell scheme until they went 0-5, then changed to a predominant run style offense.

I guess I'm kinda hoping that Gibbs, based on the evidence in todays NFL, would switch back to a more Air Coryell style of offense, something both Gibbs and Saunders are familiar with. And for those that aren't familiar with Coryell, it wasn't a total pass heavy offense, rather an offensive scheme that allowed the pass to set up the run.

I agree, Fios, probably won't happen, but I'm still hoping.

[welch]

As we all know, in 81', Gibbs employed the Air Coryell scheme until they went 0-5, then changed to a predominant run style offense.

Gibbs never changed his offense. They went 0-5 because too many players made mistakes. They ran Riggins in the SB 17 playoffs only because Art Monk was out.

Aikman's thoughts? Recall that Norv Turner built the Cowboys offense to look like the Gibbs offense, but with a bigger OL. Turner and Johnson wanted power first. And the Cowboys had Emmit Smith.

Look here...Joe Gibbs was never, ever, Woody Hayes.

Why didn't the Skins adopt the 5-wides and run and shoot? Because Petibon's defense killed those types of offense. If anyone wants, they can look atthe combined scores of all the Redskins games in '91 against the R&S and no-huddle teams. They played the Lions twice, the Falcons twice, Houston once, and finsihed with the Bills. Check the scores.

[SKINFAN]

So far this year:


Offense

Hard to really asses where we are coz the line is hurting, but even if you factor that into it, we are still mediocre. The defense has tried spoonfeeding us a score and still we couldn't convert. Our recievers can't get open, we have the same type of reciever as our #1 nd #2, they cannot get open, or prolly a 25% drop ratio, I understand that it takes two people to tango, maybe a change is in order there. RBs Portis seems a lil un-Portis like, missing blocks, mistiming the block on the blitz (caused the hit on campbell) He usually kills those people. He did look uppity on his cuts though, I'm almost certain he's around 70-80% cos of injuries, meanwhile we have a capable back-up in Betts, who can do the almost the same minus the killer blocks that CP does, again we have a redundancy at RB just as we do in WR positions. The Xbs and TEs are fine, between finesse catches and rumble after catch Mr. COOLey has got it covered. And with Line busting capability, Run-U-Over mentality, Sellers is holding it down. We need more Depth on the line, we all know that.

[SkinsFreak]

As we all know, in 81', Gibbs employed the Air Coryell scheme until they went 0-5, then changed to a predominant run style offense.

Gibbs never changed his offense. They went 0-5 because too many players made mistakes. They ran Riggins in the SB 17 playoffs only because Art Monk was out.

I got that directly from Gibbs himself. In the latest 2 hour long, Redskins 75th Anniversary special, Gibbs speaks specifically about changing the offensive philosophy after starting 0-5.

[langleyparkjoe]

Hey guys, you know for the life of me I never understood how we could make it to the second round of the playoffs in '05 with just Gibbs and the following year turn around and get him offensive "help" in Saunders. I'm not by any means saying Saunders isn't a good coach but it seems to me that two offensive personalites that don't match would be a problem.

GO SKINS!!! SHOOT DOWN DA JETS!!!

[SKINFAN]

The defense got us to the dance in '05.

We have a problemn on the offesive side of the ball, the honeymoon period is over. We need this thing fixed. If we keep running our Defense dry, we won't have a defense to field on 08. They'll be burned out. Look at '05-'06 season.

[HEROHAMO]

Campbell was playing very scared out there, there is no reason he should cough the ball up four times. He panicked out there.

You are disappointed, fine... but this statement is just plain ignorant. Why don't you look again, only this time look at the whole plays...

All he had to do was take the sack. There is no excuse for coughing up the ball. I have the game recorded. I like Campbell and know he is going through growing pains. Go ahead and look for yourself that is definatley fear in J.Cs eyes. Yes he will be good , he just wasnt yesterday.

The fact is he could have easily thrown the ball away, or just take the sack. Yes there were blown blocking assignments and I dont blame the game all on Campbell, but yesterday he was confused, frustrated and scared. Do I think he will get better? Yes of course I do.

Campbell could have played a whole lot better yesterday regardless of the situation.

[Countertrey]

Campbell was playing very scared out there, there is no reason he should cough the ball up four times. He panicked out there.

You are disappointed, fine... but this statement is just plain ignorant. Why don't you look again, only this time look at the whole plays...

All he had to do was take the sack. There is no excuse for coughing up the ball. I have the game recorded. I like Campbell and know he is going through growing pains. Go ahead and look for yourself that is definatley fear in J.Cs eyes. Yes he will be good , he just wasnt yesterday.

The fact is he could have easily thrown the ball away, or just take the sack. Yes there were blown blocking assignments and I dont blame the game all on Campbell, but yesterday he was confused, frustrated and scared. Do I think he will get better? Yes of course I do.

Campbell could have played a whole lot better yesterday regardless of the situation.

Fear? Probably a little strong, but even if given, it does not equal panic. You keep watching those replays, ya hear? A more likely explanation is that the game is still not slowing down for him. Things happening too fast, and he has to think to much, especially when things break down. That is a function of seasoning... and confidence in his line and receivers.

[CanesSkins26]

Campbell was playing very scared out there, there is no reason he should cough the ball up four times. He panicked out there.

You are disappointed, fine... but this statement is just plain ignorant. Why don't you look again, only this time look at the whole plays...

All he had to do was take the sack. There is no excuse for coughing up the ball. I have the game recorded. I like Campbell and know he is going through growing pains. Go ahead and look for yourself that is definatley fear in J.Cs eyes. Yes he will be good , he just wasnt yesterday.

The fact is he could have easily thrown the ball away, or just take the sack. Yes there were blown blocking assignments and I dont blame the game all on Campbell, but yesterday he was confused, frustrated and scared. Do I think he will get better? Yes of course I do.

Campbell could have played a whole lot better yesterday regardless of the situation.

How could he have easily thrown the ball away when on two of the sacks Vrabel was unblocked?? Also, on one of the fumbles (the second I believe) the ball was knocked out as he was trying to throw the ball. Like Riggins said on his radio show today, if that had been Brady behind our line yesterday he would've fumbled 3 times also.

[SCSkinsFan]

Where do we go from here? I think the healthy ones have to go to New York next Sunday. Maybe they can get from end of the cow pasture to the other without stepping in something.

[HEROHAMO]

Campbell was playing very scared out there, there is no reason he should cough the ball up four times. He panicked out there.

You are disappointed, fine... but this statement is just plain ignorant. Why don't you look again, only this time look at the whole plays...

All he had to do was take the sack. There is no excuse for coughing up the ball. I have the game recorded. I like Campbell and know he is going through growing pains. Go ahead and look for yourself that is definatley fear in J.Cs eyes. Yes he will be good , he just wasnt yesterday.

The fact is he could have easily thrown the ball away, or just take the sack. Yes there were blown blocking assignments and I dont blame the game all on Campbell, but yesterday he was confused, frustrated and scared. Do I think he will get better? Yes of course I do.

Campbell could have played a whole lot better yesterday regardless of the situation.

Fear? Probably a little strong, but even if given, it does not equal panic. You keep watching those replays, ya hear? A more likely explanation is that the game is still not slowing down for him. Things happening too fast, and he has to think to much, especially when things break down. That is a function of seasoning... and confidence in his line and receivers.

Bottom line is this team played like crap yesterday all of them including Campbell.

I guess best thing to do now is just hope at least Heyer gets healthy. I would consider moving Pete Kendall to right guard to help out on that side. I really hope Heyer gets healthy soon. Boy we miss Jansen and Randy Thomas.

What would really help is maybe six wins in a row. That would really help boost this team again. Especially a win in Cowpies land.

[SkinsJock]

As a result of our 5-11 season last year and the schedule this year - we can still finish at 10-6 or even 11-5 - no matter how bad we looked it is only 1 game - both players and coaches need to get on track and make the plays and the decisions that give us the best chance for success each time out - we seemed very flat this past w/e and need to be more assertive - this is still a decent team and we have a lot of games left that we can definetly win, one game at a time

[grampi]

I guess the Skins have to convince league officials they are actually a pro team so they can be let back into the league

[1niksder]

I guess the Skins have to convince league officials they are actually a pro team so they can be let back into the league

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