The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

BossHog wrote:Yeah but Jake has to protect his position in 34th spot in the contest... he's just 'trying' to win.

How many spots are there? I could be playing for last the way this season has gone.

Redskin in Canada wrote:1) True: The Washington Redskins are not a Super Bowl contender in the 2007 season.

2) True: I do pick them -every- week.

That's my point... the two are quite contradictory and hypocritical. Non-Super Bowl conteding teams don't win every week, which is what you pick them to do.

Redskin in Canada wrote:The only reason you and I, and the admin, staff and all the other posters are HERE is because we share ONE common bond: The Washington Redskins. In some cases, it may be the -ONLY- thing that many people may have in common here.

You're darn right.

Redskin in Canada wrote:So, what can be more important here than supporting the whole TEAM by EXPECTING (not only hoping) that they will win, that we, perhaps the only ones in the entire NFL, EXPECT them to win???

Oh what a chance Jake, what a chance ... These are the kinds of moments which define a true fan in Hog Heaven. Think about it and act with CONVICTION whatever you and all others decide.

Hoping and expecting doesn't change what will happen on the field. My expectatioms, your expectations, anyone elses expectations don't teleport themselves to the football field or affect the overall result.

Alas, poor Jake... so misunderstood.

Did you know, Jake, that treason is the only felony specifically addressed in the Constitution? How cool is that?

Jake wrote:That's my point... the two are quite contradictory and hypocritical. Non-Super Bowl conteding teams don't win every week, which is what you pick them to do.

If you CHOOSE to try to twist the logic, the words and the purpose of my post in order to justify your actions as a fan, there must be something very, very wrong with your own logic.

I would be able to turn the hypocrisy allegations around quite easily. But the board knows where you stand on this issue. I will let them be the judges of that accusation.

Jake wrote:Hoping and expecting doesn't change what will happen on the field. My expectatioms, your expectations, anyone elses expectations don't teleport themselves to the football field or affect the overall result.

You did not get it before. You do not get it now. And you probably never will.

I would like to say "good luck picking against your team from the bottom of the standings anyway" But I really cannot because I would be wishing you luck to have the Skins lose and that is where my best wishes to you STOP.

Jake wrote:Hoping and expecting doesn't change what will happen on the field. My expectatioms, your expectations, anyone elses expectations don't teleport themselves to the football field or affect the overall result.

Surely you jest.

If our players are so emotionally weak that message board predictions adversely affect them on the field, then they have no chance at winning anyway.

They're professionals. And while they might be swayed by booing fans or the media ripping them in the paper, our chance at victory doesn't change because you guys choose them in the pick sheet.

And even if it did, the fact that their own fans picking against them could serve as motivation, no? When we win this week, it will because the real Redskins fans were brave enough to pretend that they doubted the team.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:the fact that their own fans picking against them could serve as motivation, no?

No.

Hoss wrote:

Jake wrote:Hoping and expecting doesn't change what will happen on the field. My expectatioms, your expectations, anyone elses expectations don't teleport themselves to the football field or affect the overall result.

Surely you jest.

I agree, with you Hoss. I happen to know my demeanor and attitude on game day directly reflects on how the 'Skins perform on the field. And I couldn't disagree with RiC more that the 2007 Redskins are not a SB contender. Just get us to the playoffs and anything can happen. I still think we are the best team in the NFC right now, offensive problems or not.

JSPB22 wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:the fact that their own fans picking against them could serve as motivation, no?

No.

Really? You've never been more determined to accomplish something because your friends and family thought it was impossible? Perhaps you never saw the American cinematic classic Rudy?

JSPB22 wrote:I happen to know my demeanor and attitude on game day directly reflects on how the 'Skins perform on the field.

How so?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:When we win this week, it will because the real Redskins fans were brave enough to pretend that they doubted the team.

Since you picked the Skins to win in the Hognostications, you must be glad to join us non-brave, non-pretenders, right?
Or are you now just not brave enough to "pretend"? Very confusing when convoluted logic is used to try to justify the unjustifiable .

Whatever the logic, those who support their team are Redskins Fans and those who do not are TRAITORS but "Fan Pretenders" sounds equally good to me. Why did I not think of that before? Thanks!

Redskin in Canada wrote:Since you picked the Skins to win in the Hognostications, you must be glad to join us non-brave, non-pretenders, right?

Nope. I must have made a mistake - I absolutely meant to pick New England.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Or are you now just not brave enough to "pretend"? Very confusing when convoluted logic is used to try to justify the unjustifiable

I am the one using convoluted logic? Said the man who picks his team every week because he believes it will help them win? You have got to be kidding.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Whatever the logic, those who support their team are Redskins Fans and those who do not are TRAITORS but "Fan Pretenders" sounds equally good to me. Why did I not think of that before? Thanks!

There's a fine line between "follower" and "fanatic" . In the end, that's where you and I differ. Now, where is my "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off" emoticon?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:the fact that their own fans picking against them could serve as motivation, no?

No.

Really? You've never been more determined to accomplish something because your friends and family thought it was impossible? Perhaps you never saw the American cinematic classic Rudy?

I don't think board members here are friends and family of Redskins players, particularly those that are hognostitraitors. And if I saw the same "Rudy" as you, the fans were chanting his name, and his friends were cheering him on, not picking against him.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:I happen to know my demeanor and attitude on game day directly reflects on how the 'Skins perform on the field.

How so?

Personal experience. I'm psychic like Englands Team's wife. I don't have visions like she does. I just get overwhelming feelings. And if I can keep the negative vibes away from me on game day, I can actually will the the team to victory.

JSPB22 wrote:I don't think board members here are friends and family of Redskins players

Bingo.

JSPB22 wrote:And if I saw the same "Rudy" as you, the fans were chanting his name, and his friends were cheering him on, not picking against him.

You clearly did see a different version. His friends and family were chanting his name after he achieved his success, not before.

JSPB22 wrote:Personal experience. I'm psychic like Englands Team's wife.

Well I'm not psychic. Am I allowed to have negative thoughts, or does that still make me a traitor?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:I don't think board members here are friends and family of Redskins players, particularly those that are hognostitraitors.

Bingo.

So you agree with me? Good.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:And if I saw the same "Rudy" as you, the fans were chanting his name, and his friends were cheering him on, not picking against him.

You clearly did see a different version. His friends and family were chanting his name after he achieved his success, not before.

Uh no. The fans chanted his name to get him in the game . That was his success. His teammates went to the coach before the game to get him to be able to dress for the game. The offensive players scored a TD, against the coach's play call, so the D would get back on the field, and he could go into the game.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Personal experience. I'm psychic like Englands Team's wife.

Well I'm not psychic. Am I allowed to have negative thoughts, or does that still make me a traitor?

What makes you a traitor, is picking against your team in a meaningless pick 'em contest. But your negative thoughts are counterproductive to the Skins winning. Bad vibes are self-fulfilling.

JSPB22 wrote:So you agree with me? Good.

I agree that none of us are friends or family of the players, and therefore what we say on this board doesn't have an effect of any kind on Sunday.

JSPB22 wrote:The fans chanted his name to get him in the game.

Right. But while he was trying to make the team, his family didn't believe him. That's why he had to go to the coach and ask to be put onto the roster for one game - because his father wouldn't believe him unless he ran through the tunnel.

Are you really arguing that Rudy's family did believe in him?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:What makes you a traitor is picking against your team in a meaningless pick 'em contest. But your negative thoughts are counterproductive to the Skins winning. Bad vibes are self-fulfilling.

And what makes you a simpleton is always picking your favorite team in a meaningless pick 'em contest. But I'm a sport. Just for you, I'll think EXTRA SUPER DUPER hard this weekend about how great the Redskins are and how awesome they are at everything. If we beat the Patriots, you'll have yourself a convert.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:So you agree with me? Good.

I agree that none of us are friends or family of the players, and therefore what we say on this board doesn't have an effect of any kind on Sunday.

But what you said was:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:You've never been more determined to accomplish something because your friends and family thought it was impossible?

So you said one thing, but meant another. No big deal. Happens all the time.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:The fans chanted his name to get him in the game.

Right. But while he was trying to make the team, his family didn't believe him. That's why he had to go to the coach and ask to be put onto the roster for one game

Didn't happen. Go back and watch the movie. The previous coach promised to play him, because he deserved it, but the new coach didn't dress him until his teammates staged a walkout strike, each saying "Let Rudy have my spot."

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:What makes you a traitor is picking against your team in a meaningless pick 'em contest. But your negative thoughts are counterproductive to the Skins winning. Bad vibes are self-fulfilling.

And what makes you a simpleton is always picking your favorite team in a meaningless pick 'em contest. But I'm a sport. Just for you, I'll think EXTRA SUPER DUPER hard this weekend about how great the Redskins are and how awesome they are at everything. If we beat the Patriots, you'll have yourself a convert.

The operative word in the above quote is "meaningless." Therefor it makes no difference if you pick for them or against them, so why pick against? Just so you can be ridiculed by your fellow fans? And don't bother saying you'll be positive on Sunday, because your heart is obviously not in it. No matter, I can be positive enough for the two of us. I will hold you to the conversion though.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Nope. I must have made a mistake - I absolutely meant to pick New England.

Well, let me E-X-P-L-A-I-N . IT . TO . Y-O-U . R-E-A-L . S-L-O-W. We go to the Hognostications Picksheet and we pick the team that we EXPECT to win. It is not too complicated really. Trust me.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:There's a fine line between "follower" and "fanatic"

Sorry, my mistake. I should not call you "PRETEND FAN". It is "PRETEND FOLLOWER" or in plain and simple Hognostications terms: TRAITOR.

I love it when you guys feel compelled to "explain" yourselves and your picks against the Skins.

JSPB22 wrote: And don't bother saying you'll be positive on Sunday, because your heart is obviously not in it. No matter, I can be positive enough for the two of us. I will hold you to the conversion though.

Amen. I love the clincher at the end.

JSPB22 wrote:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:I agree that none of us are friends or family of the players, and therefore what we say on this board doesn't have an effect of any kind on Sunday.

But what you said was:

Steve Spurrier III wrote:You've never been more determined to accomplish something because your friends and family thought it was impossible?

So you said one thing, but meant another. No big deal. Happens all the time.

That is completley disingenuous. I don't believe that anything that is said here matters, either way. I merely pointed out that even if it did matter, there is no way to tell what helps and what hurts.

JSPB22 wrote:Didn't happen. Go back and watch the movie. The previous coach promised to play him, because he deserved it, but the new coach didn't dress him until his teammates staged a walkout strike, each saying "Let Rudy have my spot."

That's exactly right. But it also doesn't change the fact that Rudy's family didn't believe he was even on the team, and it also doesn't change the fact that his family's doubt helped motivate him.

JSPB22 wrote:The operative word in the above quote is "meaningless." Therefor it makes no difference if you pick for them or against them, so why pick against? Just so you can be ridiculed by your fellow fans?

First of all, don't even pretend that I care about your ridicule. You only make yourself look more foolish.

Second, what's the point of even picking the Redskins game if you pick them every time? When you pick them to win every time, you're not even playing. When they win, you can say you were right, but no one can even tell if you really did think they would win. You can't say, "see, I told you so", because you do it every time. Your pick is worthless.

JSPB22 wrote:And don't bother saying you'll be positive on Sunday, because your heart is obviously not in it. No matter, I can be positive enough for the two of us. I will hold you to the conversion though.

If you're picking up my slack, I won't feel bad when the Patriots stomp us. And I'll be able to look myself in the mirror and not feel like a complete loser.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Well, let me E-X-P-L-A-I-N . IT . TO . Y-O-U . R-E-A-L . S-L-O-W. We go to the Hognostications Picksheet and we pick the team that we EXPECT to win. It is not too complicated really. Trust me.

Thanks for the help. Again, I can't help by wonder - if it's really that straightforward, why don't you pick the team that you expect to win? Just kidding - please don't answer that. I've had my fill of stupid for the night.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Sorry, my mistake. I should not call you "PRETEND FAN". It is "PRETEND FOLLOWER" or in plain and simple Hognostications terms: TRAITOR.

You can come up with whatever name you like - I am what I am. I'm never going to feel bad for not painting my chest, wearing a dress or naming my first-born daughter Sonny. But it's fans like you that feed the monster - so thanks for being an easy mark. Seriously. We need you guys.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I love it when you guys feel compelled to "explain" yourselves and your picks against the Skins.

There's no explanation needed. I don't think they're going to win, so I'm not going to pick them to win.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:You can come up with whatever name you like - I am what I am.

Out of the closet, indeed.

UPDATE!

Time to start separating the true FANS from the despicable yellow coward TRAITORS.

First a Hail to the Redskins Salute to my brothers:

1niksder, Cappster, Countertrey, everydayAskinsday, Fios, funbunch, GSPODS, hailskins666, HEROHAMO, Hoss, I2I, joebagadonuts, JSPB22, juansushi, murray, Skins2Win, SkinsJock, Skinsrule84, skinz74, Texas Hog, tribeofjudah, UK Skins Fan, and wbbradb

You all make me proud. Hail to you and Hail to the Redskins!



The inductees into the HALL OF SHAME, some for a treacherous repeat performance, are:

Cleg, Jake, Justice Hog, Kearney420 and riggins85 (so far)

Honorary member who mistakenly picked the Skins but he really meant to pick NE and deliberately selected to be inducted: Steve Spurrier III

Read their names clearly. These are the TRAITORS this week. Their names are here for all to see and remember the next time they show you the many "reasons" why they love and support their Team.

I have one Hognostication for you TRAITORS: A TRAITOR has never won the Hognostications Tournament and never will.

Enjoy.

Redskin in Canada wrote:UPDATE!

Time to start separating the true FANS from the despicable yellow coward TRAITORS.

First a Hail to the Redskins Salute to my brothers:

1niksder, Cappster, Countertrey, everydayAskinsday, Fios, funbunch, GSPODS, hailskins666, HEROHAMO, Hoss, I2I, joebagadonuts, JSPB22, juansushi, murray, Skins2Win, SkinsJock, Skinsrule84, skinz74, Texas Hog, tribeofjudah, UK Skins Fan, and wbbradb

You all make me proud. Hail to you and Hail to the Redskins!



The inductees into the HALL OF SHAME, some for a treacherous repeat performance, are:

Cleg, Jake, Justice Hog, Kearney420 and riggins85 (so far)

Honorary member who mistakenly picked the Skins but he really meant to pick NE and deliberately selected to be inducted: Steve Spurrier III

Read their names clearly. These are the TRAITORS this week. Their names are here for all to see and remember the next time they show you the many "reasons" why they love and support their Team.

I have one Hognostication for you TRAITORS: A TRAITOR has never won the Hognostications Tournament and never will.

Enjoy.

Don't believe I've ever seen HOOKBASSGA on the list of shameful hognostitraitors.

JSPB22 wrote:Don't believe I've ever seen HOOKBASSGA on the list of shameful hognostitraitors.

We'll see.

Don't believe I've ever seen HOOKBASSGA on the list of shameful hognostitraitors.

I'm certain he is a computer, so he doesn't count.

Nobody human can be so consistent...

Countertrey wrote:

Don't believe I've ever seen HOOKBASSGA on the list of shameful hognostitraitors.

I'm certain he is a computer, so he doesn't count.

If he was a computer, wouldn't that mean he has to be able to count?

I see him more as a T2000 type cyborg, posting from one of many possible futures, thus his near but not quite perfection every week.

JSPB22 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Don't believe I've ever seen HOOKBASSGA on the list of shameful hognostitraitors.

I'm certain he is a computer, so he doesn't count.

If he was a computer, wouldn't that mean he has to be able to count?

I see him more as a T2000 type cyborg, posting from one of many possible futures, thus his near but not quite perfection every week.

That SOOOOO makes sense. Perhaps, however, his near (but not quite) perfection is but a ploy to throw us humans off...