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man, I don't know if it's just me, but as I lurk these days, it seems like almost every thread eventually goes into the "rules of the website" conversation... it's always, "...no one attacked you - you can't attack someone - this topic is in the wrong area - don't do this - don't do that..." I miss the old days when the rules didin't have to be brought up around every corner.

Anyway, regarding Portis - I agree that he looks a little tentative. Fumbleitis? I don't think so. It does look like CP's getting some better blocking on the ends, enabling him to turn that corner with a lot more ease than I saw in the first couple games. But that could've just been the fact that Detroit's run defense isn't that strong. I think CP will turn it on and string a couple 100+ games back to back - hopefully starting with Green Bay. I'm also waiting for the game where Portis and Betts get about 17-19 carries a piece, and both go for 90-100+ yds. That 1-2 punch is gonna be awesome, and now that we've started to establish ourselves as a passing team as much as a running one (contrary to Gibbs' assertions), I think we're about to see some big games with more than a few breakout runs.

personally, I would rest him next week, he looks bothered by the knee. We need him as close to 100% as possible with the Pats. He'll get it done, we all know that. I love the freight train ride where he latches on to Sellers and rumbles on thru.

We cannot afford the attrition rate to the starters that we are having, LoL, if this keeps up we're gonna field an arena team with rookies in week 14 on thru...

No fumble problem-

the first was a miscue on direct snap
the second, Dolla Bill just got smacked from both sides and it squirted out

CP knows how important it is to hold onto the ball

Perhaps most importantly Joe Gibbs knows tough guy clinton kinows how important it is to hold onto the ball

Anybody see how well Portis blitz protected Jason?

Guy was worth every bit as much as champ

He sure has been puttin' the ball on the ground a lot lately. He better knock it off or he's gonna start costing us more games than he contributes.

He has his first lost fumble of the season and he somehow has a fumbling problem?? Only one of the fumbles yesterday was actually his "fault" and every running back in the NFL is going to fumble the ball at some. Since coming to the Skins CP has touched the ball 984 times and only lost 7 fumbles. That means that he loses a fumble once every 140 times that he touches the ball. I don't think that a running back can do any better than CP at protecting the ball.

CanesSkins26 wrote: I don't think that a running back can do any better than CP at protecting the ball.

Not to mention all he does to aide in the protection of the ball when it's in the QB's hands.

BossHog wrote:Pretty easy to look at the thread and see exactly where it went south... right when you made the statement that, 'Portis is not allowed to be criticized as far as i can tell.'

The word 'allowed' means that it has something to do with 'permission' which would fall on those that ADMINISTER the board and it's rules. So a moderator quickly pointed out to you that it had nothing to do with 'permission' and everything to do with opinion... because we truly believe in NOT censoring people and need people to know that what you had said was completely incorrect. Even if you 'meant something else

Off-topic? yes.

Unnecessary? Completely incorrect. Whether you understand the value of the community as a whole knowing what their bounds are or not, has no bearing on it's 'necessity'.

It's necessary so that ambiguous comments like yours, don't cause any misconceptions. That's IMPERATIVE to running the board effectively.

So I'm sorry that you see this as something personal, because it isn't, but if someone is going to put comments out there that can be misconstrued by the community as a whole, they HAVE to be addressed publicly.

yea im sorry boss, i think i needed to put a [sarcasm] in there. Just a misunderstanding.

Some good points have been made in this thread.

I don't think Portis has a fumble problem. He has consistently shown that he can protect the ball. Anyone who thinks football can be played perfectly has never played the game. Perhaps he is not back in top form, but he did have several pretty runs yesterday. With what Portis does overall, as a back, I can't think of anyone I'd rather have.

Look where not using him right and 'm getting mad at the fact we keep bashing him up the middle.

por-tiz2skins wrote:Look where not using him right and 'm getting mad at the fact we keep bashing him up the middle.

OK, where should I look?

Fios wrote:

por-tiz2skins wrote:Look where not using him right and 'm getting mad at the fact we keep bashing him up the middle.

OK, where should I look?

I would say NOT up the middle

CanesSkins26 wrote:He has his first lost fumble of the season and he somehow has a fumbling problem??

Not that I'm agreeing with the whole "fumbleitis" sentiment, but he did have a very costly fumble in the 4th quarter against the G-strings, so it wasn't his first of the season.

Not that I'm agreeing with the whole "fumbleitis" sentiment, but he did have a very costly fumble in the 4th quarter against the G-strings, so it wasn't his first of the season.

That fumble was credited to Campbell, not to CP. If I recall correctly it was a lost ball on the exchange between CP and Campbell. The NFL statistics have it as a fumbell for JC, not for Portis.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Not that I'm agreeing with the whole "fumbleitis" sentiment, but he did have a very costly fumble in the 4th quarter against the G-strings, so it wasn't his first of the season.

That fumble was credited to Campbell, not to CP. If I recall correctly it was a lost ball on the exchange between CP and Campbell. The NFL statistics have it as a fumbell for JC, not for Portis.

The NFL stats also have the bad snap credited to CP as a fumble, which you don't attribute to him. Campbell may have been credited for CP's fumble against the Giants, but it looked pretty clearly to be Portis' fault, from what I recall.

That's not to say that I agree with the title of this thread, because I definitely don't think Portis has a fumbling problem.

With nothing legitimate to complain about this week, threads are appearing with non-issue complaints. Like the kicking game, if a fumble ever costs the Redskins a game there will be a legitimate complaint. Unless or until then, this is another non-issue.

GSPODS wrote:With nothing legitimate to complain about this week, threads are appearing with non-issue complaints. Like the kicking game, if a fumble ever costs the Redskins a game there will be a legitimate complaint. Unless or until then, this is another non-issue.

LoL, are we that transparent.... does anyone have a pic or link of the formation where JC lined up as a reciever and CP got the snap? You think this is a good gadget with Randle El instead of CP?

Yeah, I know. We have serious snap problems(did you see the snap the football went flying), we got fumble problems, Squeesem can't make a field this year, Moss can't catch, Bloyd is a bust, AND Campbell is off target on his passes.

and we are 3-1.

BnGhog wrote:Yeah, I know. We have serious snap problems(did you see the snap the football went flying), we got fumble problems, Squeesem can't make a field this year, Moss can't catch, Bloyd is a bust, AND Campbell is off target on his passes.

and we are 3-1.

Rating from 1 being mild and 10 being worst.

Snap probs - 1
Fumble Probs - 5 (Not just CP but JC too.. This can get to 1 real fast.)
Sushi and the kung fu kicking game - 5
Moss Can't catch - 2
Bloyd is a bust - 9 (he needs a chance to get to 10, or 1)
Campbell's cannon - 1 (he's finally got the sights fixed)
We are 3-1 - 8 (Only because we had the game won and lost it in the end. We should've been 4-0)
Injuries - 8 (This will be an issue if we keep losing 1 or 2 starters every game)

SKINFAN wrote:

BnGhog wrote:Yeah, I know. We have serious snap problems(did you see the snap the football went flying), we got fumble problems, Squeesem can't make a field this year, Moss can't catch, Bloyd is a bust, AND Campbell is off target on his passes.

and we are 3-1.

Rating from 1 being mild and 10 being worst.

Snap probs - 1
Fumble Probs - 5 (Not just CP but JC too.. This can get to 1 real fast.)
Sushi and the kung fu kicking game - 5
Moss Can't catch - 2
Bloyd is a bust - 9 (he needs a chance to get to 10, or 1)
Campbell's cannon - 1 (he's finally got the sights fixed)
We are 3-1 - 8 (Only because we had the game won and lost it in the end. We should've been 4-0)
Injuries - 8 (This will be an issue if we keep losing 1 or 2 starters every game)

Snap probs - 0. The Redskins won the game.
Fumble Probs - 0. The Redskins won the game.
Sushi and the kung fu kicking game - 0. The Redskins won the game.
Moss Can't catch - 0. 0. The Redskins won the game.
Bloyd is a bust - 0. The Redskins won the game.
Campbell's cannon - 0. The Redskins won the game.
We are 3-1 - The Redskins are 3-1, not 4-0. Buffalo should have won last night. They didn't.
Injuries - Injuries are what they are. A lot of teams are far worse off with their injuries than the Redskins. And several Redskins players will be back soon. I didn't hear any complaints about Wade or Fabini or Kendall this week.

GSPODS wrote:With nothing legitimate to complain about this week, threads are appearing with non-issue complaints. Like the kicking game, if a fumble ever costs the Redskins a game there will be a legitimate complaint. Unless or until then, this is another non-issue.

As I said in my previous post in this thread, the 4th quarter fumble in the G-strings game cost us dearly. I think that is a legitimate complaint.

SKINFAN wrote:

GSPODS wrote:With nothing legitimate to complain about this week, threads are appearing with non-issue complaints. Like the kicking game, if a fumble ever costs the Redskins a game there will be a legitimate complaint. Unless or until then, this is another non-issue.

LoL, are we that transparent.... does anyone have a pic or link of the formation where JC lined up as a reciever and CP got the snap? You think this is a good gadget with Randle El instead of CP?

JC wasn't lined up as a receiver. I think the snap was supposed to go to Portis for a quick outside run to pick up the 1st down. He just wasn't ready for it. Has anyone from the team commented on that play? I'd like to know the "official" explanation.

LMAO, GSPODS, I'm all for winning, but I can't just enjoy a win this much, I gotta pace myself, there are more wins yet to come and enjoy.