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GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Cheer Up. The Spankmes only need to win three in a row.

You should "Man Up" & admit what team you like! It's pretty sad how much you talk about the Yankees, while your (unadmitted) team is home.

You're a bandwagon fan all the way & I hope your proud!

Are you going for the Redskins or Detroit this week?? Ya know Detroit does have a better record!

I hope you don't avoid your Toothbrush or Soap the same way you avoid admitting what team you like! LOL

We're playing tomorrow to, don't forget!

ANT7088 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Cheer Up. The Spankmes only need to win three in a row.

You should "Man Up" & admit what team you like! It's pretty sad how much you talk about the Yankees, while your (unadmitted) team is home.

You're a bandwagon fan all the way & I hope your proud!

Are you going for the Redskins or Detroit this week?? Ya know Detroit does have a better record!

I hope you don't avoid your Toothbrush or Soap the same way you avoid admitting what team you like! LOL

We're playing tomorrow to, don't forget!

Nice accusation, albeit completely unfounded. I've been a fan of the Baltimore Orioles for 35 years, good bad, or indifferent. Before you start questioning other poster's loyalties and making false accusations and off-handed comments you might want to consider who amongst us is appearing more ignorant. Secondly, questioning the manhood of another poster is nothing more than a sign of insecurity. Thirdly, and this one is important. Learn the difference between "to" and "too". Reading is fundamental. Finally, the Yankees are all but eliminated and I'm certain that upsets you immensely. Take it out on them, not on me.

Please keep this civil

Favorites: Mickey Grasso

- Mickey Vernon

- Mickey McDermott (of course)

- Eddie Yost

- Pete Runnels

- Roy Sievers

- Jim Busby

They all played for a team that had its offices about 7th and U. Too lazy to look it up, but somewhere I've got their 1960 yearbook...I can tell you that bleacher seats were 75 cents, and real fans ate Little Tavern hamburgers ("Buy 'em by the bag!") , and grownups drank National Bohemian Beer. Also that they allowed smoking in the stadium, and that the old lower grand-stand smelled like cigar-smoke, and had a blue haze through most of the game.

As a matter of fact, I hated the Yankees until they collapsed in the mid-'60's.

Aside from a good team from '76 to '78 or so, they were pathetic until the mid '90's. And that late '90s team was built around players -- not super-stars -- like Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, Paul O'Neill, Posasda/Girardi the two-headed catcher, and Derek Jeter. They didn't really buy those championships.

That team began to disintegrate when "management" traded Nick Johnson and signed Giambi to play first...and continued to trade pros[pects and sign steroid stars.

I like the Yankees. They don't cause my heart to tingle the way it does when I see a picture of Sievers' home-run swing (first Senator to lead the AL in homers since about 1920). The Yankees are not my team the way the New New Nats are, but Yankee Stadium is a good place to watch a game. Bob Shepherd sounds the way a stadium announcer should sound.

So...we'll see.

Meanwhile, I'm following Justin Maxwell in the instructional league. If you check, you can find his weblog.

There are a number of baseball fans who have a favorite team that despite their success over the years will continue to hope that their team wins each game they play AND for any team who is playing the Yankees that is just a reality - there are very few baseball fans that feel the same way about any other team. IMO, that is primarily because of the perception that when Steinbrenner first came into baseball he wanted to get the better players on his team no matter the cost and also he was never in favor of making other baseball teams competitive who did not have the earning power of the Yankees - this fact IMO has hurt baseball and also contributes to an anti-Yankee mentality.

I started watching baseball in the fall of 1970 and thoroughly enjoyed the World Series between the Reds and the Orioles - I loved the character of the players in that sport and eventually became a Redskins fan not long later because of that same character and spirit that we all saw with the Redskins in the 70's - being able to go to Memorial Stadium and to RFK to watch games live was the best.

I just feel that Steinbrenner gets kudos for what he did but IMO this guy deserves to be identified as not a baseball fan but an ego driven person who was not in the game for the good of the game but for himself and his selfish aspirations. At least Snyder is a NFL owner who (admittedly because the NFL has some "rules) is a fan that wants his team to win and backs it up with his pocketbook, but IMO, the press needs to treat Steinbrenner with the same dis-respect that they treat Snyder.

Like welch said the NY Yankees were great teams because of the players they had but Steinbrenner did everything he could to make sure that other teams could not be competitive, and that hurt baseball.

Unlike the NY giants, who I despise from top to bottom, I actually respect a number of present and former Yankee baseball players who give their all on the field - it's their ignorant owner that deserves the beating that I hope happens in this next game.


I also am a Nats fan, an Orioles fan and am really excited about the Caps this year.




Go Redskins, Go Red Sox and any team (in any game) that is playing the Yankees

Skinsjock said

There are a number of baseball fans who have a favorite team that despite their success over the years will continue to hope that their team wins each game they play AND for any team who is playing the Yankees

I used to be like that, and from even older reasons. I hated the Yankees because they won the AL pennant about 19 out of 20 years, from Dimaggio through Mantle, and won the World Series every year I can remember except 1957 (was a Braves fan for '57 and '58 series), one year when the Brooklyn Dodgers won, and once when the Giants beat the Indians.

Those were the years when the Yankees owners used the Kansas City A's as a farm team, and the AL was all about the Yankees. Pinstriped perfection. The richest team in baseball.

There was also all that business with Ruth and Gehrig and blah blah. In fact, when I saw my first game at Griffith Stadium ('53 or '54) I cheered when a bee got into the visitor's bullpen and stung Yogi Berra. (And Yogi is a truly fine person, so, Yogi, I apologize!).

Tat feeling took a long time to wear off.

Anyway, I dislike "The Boss", too, and so do all Yankee fans that I've met. They mostly think he is a bully, a team-destroyer, a blowhard, a whiner and a boaster...an owner who hired private detectives to dig dirt on Dave Winfield.

(In truth, though, I think the Angels spent more on free agents back thirty years ago. Steinbrenner continued to play the market throughout the'80s, and all he got was a team of greedy ex-stars who lost. I think Steinbrenner deserves to be "hatted" for his personality, but not for his spending. Even the personality can be surprising, which is why I mentioned Hondo. Steinbrenner hires older players to work in the organization, and, as Howard said, "Mr. Steinbrenner has been pretty good to me". A puzzle.)

The standing joke was that you could not play for Steinbrenner unless you were 34 and had last been to the all-star game four years earlier.

Offhand, I think the Indians have a better team because they have better pitching. That will change, as the Yankees decided to improve their farm system a couple of years ago. In spite of the bugs-outing, Joba Chamberlain is an awesome pitcher. Ther are some others

I think that Arod and Damon are the only free-agent field players, and neither seems to play well under post-season pressure.

Meanwhile, I still applaud Jeter, Posada, and Rivera, and enjoy Cano and Melky Cabrera, and remember the years when the Joe Torre Yankees won without a Big Star or anyone who hit 40 home-runs. Just good baseball.

Oh, and whle I'm thinking about the Indians, young Grady Sizemore should have been playing CF for the Nationals, and Omar Minaya, GM of the Mets, should be in jail for fraud. From Wikipedia:

A fan favorite in Cleveland, Sizemore was acquired from the Montreal Expos in 2002 along with Brandon Phillips, Cliff Lee, and Lee Stevens in exchange for Bartolo Colón and Tim Drew

Colon was in the last year of his contract, and Minaya, the employee of MLB running the Expos, had no intention of signing him. That is, Minaya gave those players away. Argh!!!!!

I root for the Nats, and against whatever team employs Minaya. They are called The New York Mets.

(And Peter Angelos deserves some abuse for blocking baseball in DC for so long!)

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Yup... and their new stadium

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Cheer Up. The Spankmes only need to win three in a row.

You should "Man Up" & admit what team you like! It's pretty sad how much you talk about the Yankees, while your (unadmitted) team is home.

You're a bandwagon fan all the way & I hope your proud!

Are you going for the Redskins or Detroit this week?? Ya know Detroit does have a better record!

I hope you don't avoid your Toothbrush or Soap the same way you avoid admitting what team you like! LOL

We're playing tomorrow to, don't forget!

Nice accusation, albeit completely unfounded. I've been a fan of the Baltimore Orioles for 35 years, good bad, or indifferent. Before you start questioning other poster's loyalties and making false accusations and off-handed comments you might want to consider who amongst us is appearing more ignorant. Secondly, questioning the manhood of another poster is nothing more than a sign of insecurity. Thirdly, and this one is important. Learn the difference between "to" and "too". Reading is fundamental. Finally, the Yankees are all but eliminated and I'm certain that upsets you immensely. Take it out on them, not on me.

The O's, you finally admit it. Now I know why it took so long to tell! That's a quality team! Only 27 games back. 1997 was a long time ago, LOL! When we play in Baltimore it's like a home game. Did you hear that crowd last week? Hey, at least thanks to the Yankees, Oriole Park sells out 9-10 games a year!

Loyal fans??? The Yankees average 48,000 people a game. The Redskins average over 90,000 people a game. These are loyal fans!

I've been a Yankees fan since I was born & I would never act like a Cleveland fan because my team is terrible & home watching.

Even worse, you point out the fact that I forgot the letter "O" in "too" to change the topic because you can't defend a team you're not a fan of & you obviously can't compare the Orioles to the Yankees. Sad, Sad!

You keep looking for forgotten letters, while I'm looking at the Yankees play in the playoffs. And if we do lose, we'll be right back in the playoffs next year.......that's a fact!

Don't forget to gas up your "bandwagon", who knows what team you'll be a fan of next week!

Next year if the team you're a fan of makes the playoffs, then we can talk baseball. Untill then......

Jake wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Yup... and their new stadium

The Nats right? I have to check it out!

I was asked to keep the conversation civil so I will leave it at this: The Yankees are going to go home early again. At least Baltimore fans have no expectations and can't be disappointed every year. Yes, I admittedly pull for anyone playing the Yankees. Watching the Yankees go down in flames every season brings joy to my heart.

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Yup... and their new stadium

The Nats right? I have to check it out!

Yup. Hopefully I'll make it to a game in 08.

Don't give up on the Yankees just yet.

I gave up on Steinbrenner about two weeks after he walked in from Cleveland -- yes, he's fom Cleveland -- but the Yankees have a pretty gutsy team.

And before anyone says it, I'll repeat: I am a fourth-generation Washington Senators/Nationals fan. My daughter makes the fifth generation...just have to work on my son.

***

Great moments? Shaking hands with Bob Allison and Harmon Killebrew at Prince Georges Plaza, back about 1959. Then recognizing the late Jim Lemon at a Myrtle Beach Blue Jays game, and talking with him afterward. His eyes lit up when he saw my Senators hat. "We'll get a team again, I know".

Sports people I'd like to meet? Sonny (of course), Frank Howard, Roy Sievers, and Mickey Vernon.

***

Meanwhile, the Yankees have come back, and Joba C. is showing what kind of a pitcher he really is. Wish he was with the Nats, but wait about two seasons for the "kids" they've just drafted.

I absolutely respect the Yankees players, this is a tough bunch of ball-players. The reason I hope the team does not do well is all because of the owner - the worse the team does the more angst we all witness from this low life, bottom feeding, scum.

great way to motivate your team - threaten the manager - be great if they brought in the baseball equivalent of SS to manage this bunch

SkinsJock wrote:I absolutely respect the Yankees players, this is a tough bunch of ball-players. The reason I hope the team does not do well is all because of the owner - the worse the team does the more angst we all witness from this low life, bottom feeding, scum.

great way to motivate your team - threaten the manager - be great if they brought in the baseball equivalent of SS to manage this bunch

Fortunately for Yankees haters and Yankees fans alike, Steinbrenner is 77 and has one foot on a banana peel. He is definitely the reason I hate all things Yankees. Everyone compares Dan Snyder to George only because of the amount of money they spend. And that is where the similarities end. It will be a cold day on Mercury before Dan Snyder issues that type of ultimatum to Joe Gibbs. Steinbrenner is averaging one manager for every year he's owned the Yankees, not including the half a dozen or so times he fired and re-hired Billy Martin. George is an insolent, pretentious twit, he has no love of the game of baseball excepting a power trip, and if he would simply die he would be doing baseball a huge favor.

ANT7088 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

Jake wrote:God I love seeing the Yankees go down in a ball of flames. I can't wait til they lose the series.

You probably can't wait till next season too, to see your team play again!

Cheer Up. The Spankmes only need to win three in a row.

You should "Man Up" & admit what team you like! It's pretty sad how much you talk about the Yankees, while your (unadmitted) team is home.

You're a bandwagon fan all the way & I hope your proud!

Are you going for the Redskins or Detroit this week?? Ya know Detroit does have a better record!

I hope you don't avoid your Toothbrush or Soap the same way you avoid admitting what team you like! LOL

We're playing tomorrow to, don't forget!

Nice accusation, albeit completely unfounded. I've been a fan of the Baltimore Orioles for 35 years, good bad, or indifferent. Before you start questioning other poster's loyalties and making false accusations and off-handed comments you might want to consider who amongst us is appearing more ignorant. Secondly, questioning the manhood of another poster is nothing more than a sign of insecurity. Thirdly, and this one is important. Learn the difference between "to" and "too". Reading is fundamental. Finally, the Yankees are all but eliminated and I'm certain that upsets you immensely. Take it out on them, not on me.

The O's, you finally admit it. Now I know why it took so long to tell! That's a quality team! Only 27 games back. 1997 was a long time ago, LOL! When we play in Baltimore it's like a home game. Did you hear that crowd last week? Hey, at least thanks to the Yankees, Oriole Park sells out 9-10 games a year!

Loyal fans??? The Yankees average 48,000 people a game. The Redskins average over 90,000 people a game. These are loyal fans!

I've been a Yankees fan since I was born & I would never act like a Cleveland fan because my team is terrible & home watching.

Even worse, you point out the fact that I forgot the letter "O" in "too" to change the topic because you can't defend a team you're not a fan of & you obviously can't compare the Orioles to the Yankees. Sad, Sad!

You keep looking for forgotten letters, while I'm looking at the Yankees play in the playoffs. And if we do lose, we'll be right back in the playoffs next year.......that's a fact!

Don't forget to gas up your "bandwagon", who knows what team you'll be a fan of next week!

Next year if the team you're a fan of makes the playoffs, then we can talk baseball. Untill then......

It took me a while, but this would have been my answer, too. I've been rooting for the O's as long as I've been rooting for the Skins, Caps and Bullets.

And, if next year, the team that I'm a fan of makes the playoffs, my head will explode. We've got one pitcher we can count on, one that we can count on once every three appearances, one of the best bullpens in MLB that blew at least 15 games this year.

I've been rooting for the O's as long as I've been rooting for the Skins, Caps and Bullets.

Ah, JF...I think you are part of "the lost generation"...the 34 seasons when MLB refused to play baseball in the capital of the USA. We have a team again, even with Bob Short's red colors and curly-W.

We've had baseball in DC since about 1870, and the team has been called "Senators" or "Nationals" since around 1890.

The St Louis Browns play in Baltimore only because the Hoffberger family, owners of National Bohemian Beer, threatened to pull their advertising from the Nats if Clark Griffith did not allow the Browns to move to Washington's territory.

The "Baltimore Orioles" are the natural rivals of the Nats, just as the Giants have always been primero rivals of the Redskins. (This Dallas thing is only because some pompous Texan tried to call the Cowboys "America's Team". As George Allen asked, "Where's the Nationa's Capital? What team truly represents the whole country?")

Later, Evil Angelos blocked all attempts to bring an AL team, or any team, to DC. If he had any brains, he would have welcomed the Senators back. He'd have insisted that the "almost contracted" Twins move home to Washington so the teams could play each other over and over each year. A rivalry!

Oh, well...enough Angelos mischief.

Looking ahead, the Nats will be slightly better next year. They have two or two solid starters, a deep bullpen, and depth at the field positions.

In two or three years, those blazing pitchers from A-ball will arrive. Then see what they do to the other team in New York.

Thinking back, I was at Bunker Hill Elementary School, Michigan Avenue, NE, when my Dad and the older kids taught me the slogan: Balitimore is a bush league town.

(By the way, league is pronounced "lig", Washingtonian-style, and "Baltimore" is pronouced )with a 't'.)

Thinking back, I was at Bunker Hill Elementary School, Michigan Avenue, NE, .

No freaking way. I was at Bunker Hill in '57, '58, and '59. When were you there? Did you ever beat me up?

My blood pressure would appreciate it if you never mention that name (BOBBY SHORT... I can't dignify him with Robert) again.

CT, I started kindergarten there in 1953. Mrs Deikel (approximately) was her name. We were in the "new" wing of the building.

Later, I had a Mrs. Cole...1st or 2nd grade, I can't remember, but it was in the "old" wing. She taught us to read, and I discovered that I was way far advanced over the suburbabn kids when I transferred to Ager Road Elementary. They had phys ed classes, but we learned more.

In DC, we lived on 6th Place, NE, not far from Providence Hospital, and just below a Sinclair plant. In fact, we took the DC Transit bus to Providence and walked from there to school, although some people went as far as Brookland (Turkey Thicket) and transferred. We lived near a Buchanan Street, and a woods that eventually was whittled away into Fort Totten Park (I think). The B&O tracks ran back through the woods, and somewhere back there was the Police Department shooting range. There were hobos living in the woods, we thought, and we told each other that a hobo would dissolve if he attacked you and you squirted him with a water pistol.

I hated moving. We played football (everyone wanted to be Cho-choo Justice) in the fall, and baseball from March to October. That's where I learned to lift left-handed...just like Mickey Vernon. Oh, and we had no uniforms, no umpires, no adults organizing the games...they just started every day after school and went on until our mothers called us for dinner (or for Captain Video!)

No, I didn't beat up anyobody...we were the babies of the school. We all feared the school safety patrols.

We moved to West Hyattsville (aka, Lewisdale) half-way through the 2nd grade. Used to [play in "the woods", where there was a riding stable somewhere on "Colesville" Road, which became Adelphi road when someone noticed that there were two "Colesville" Roads. Played "guns" (aka "army") in the abandoned buildings that had been the Heurich Estate...became PG Plaza.

**

Where did you live then, and where did you move?

I lived on 11th St, on the east side of South Dakota Ave... you apparently lived on the West side of SD Ave... the B&O tracks were off limits to me, for that reason... I was, however, born at Providence Hospital. You may even have rode my Dad's bus... he drove for DC Transit, and I know that part of his route went near my school, but I can't remember details. He retired as a supervisor in Metrorail about 17 years ago.

Mrs Cole was still there when I started... she taught 1st grade, and I think I frustrated her a little... especially that day I disappeared from the playground, and took off with one of my buddies to go exploring... at the time, it seemed like a good idea (until I saw my Dad turn the corner in his big old Buick)... oops. Who knew that the school would call them?

We moved in the fall of '59 to the Friendship Heights neighborhood (a block from where the Red Line Friendship Heights Metro station is now), just a block into DC from Western Ave.

Astounding.

Yes, I remember our address: 5044 6th Place, NE. If your Dad drove a bus along South Dakota Avenue, then I probably did ride it...I remember that public school kids got a chunk of free tickets, and we took the SD Ave bus. That's where we met everyone from your side of South Dakota Avenue.

My younger sister got her tonsils taken out at Providence Hospital, although we were both born at Garfield -- now merged into the DC Hospital Center, but then just along the left-field side of Griffith Stadium.

Looking at Mapquest, I realize that we moved about two miles from the District to "Riggs Manor", which is a spot in between Green Meadows and Lewisdale, just beside 410. We used to shop at Avondale and Queenstown before and after we moved...then the suburbs grew.

Wow. Both my grand-fathers originally moved to DC to work for Capital Traction, the street-car company that became Capital Transit, which became DC Transit, and then Metrobus. One of them became the yard-master at "Washington Terminal", or Union Station. To parallel, you probably used some of my Dad's electricity -- he worked in generating for 37 years at PEPCO's Benning's Power Plant.

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Fios wrote:I guess we can lock this thread now, given the title. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Congratulations.

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey..... GOOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!!

I love reading this headline every year.

Bewildered New York opens yet another offseason of turmoil, another October over nearly as soon as it began.

ANT7088 wrote:.. You keep looking for forgotten letters, while I'm looking at the Yankees play in the playoffs. And if we do lose, we'll be right back in the playoffs next year.......that's a fact!..

I understand your frustration but if Steinbrenner fires Torre I will be very surprised if they make the playoffs next year - this could become a huge mess soon and Steinbrenner (NOT the fans) deserves to suffer - I hope he lives for a long while so that he can witness first-hand what he has done.