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Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent, but said the team's "concern" with Springs was not related to his sports hernia from last year or any particular injury.

This is about Shawn's attitude, not whether or not he is healthy. We aren't saving him for Philly. Gibbs is trying to motivate him. Shawn shouldn't be clueless about why he didn't start. He is being paid a lot of money to perform, and Joe wants him to give 100% effort.

skinsfan#33 wrote:This benching your best player at a position just because he made you mad for some reason is so childish. It is one of GW's biggest faults.

Boy I just can't wait for him to be our next head coach!

JSPB22 wrote:

Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent, but said the team's "concern" with Springs was not related to his sports hernia from last year or any particular injury.

This is about Shawn's attitude, not whether or not he is healthy. We aren't saving him for Philly. Gibbs is trying to motivate him. Shawn shouldn't be clueless about why he didn't start. He is being paid a lot of money to perform, and Joe wants him to give 100% effort.

Motivate him how?

Shawn (according to his post game comments on Comcast) was content with it. He doesn't care and his check doesn't differ when he's a nickel. All Gibbs is doing is keeping the boy fresh for when he signs with another team next year. The Skins won't win this one.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent, but said the team's "concern" with Springs was not related to his sports hernia from last year or any particular injury.

This is about Shawn's attitude, not whether or not he is healthy. We aren't saving him for Philly. Gibbs is trying to motivate him. Shawn shouldn't be clueless about why he didn't start. He is being paid a lot of money to perform, and Joe wants him to give 100% effort.

Motivate him how?

Shawn (according to his post game comments on Comcast) was content with it. He doesn't care and his check doesn't differ when he's a nickel. All Gibbs is doing is keeping the boy fresh for when he signs with another team next year. The Skins won't win this one.

I know, but that doesn't change Gibbs' reasoning. Shawn shouldn't be acting all bewildered by the move, though. If he wants to start, all he has to do is hustle on every play.

Heres my song



Nooo Boooody Knows

What Greg Wiiiiilliams thinks.

Noooo Booooody knows

the trouble Spring is in.


Nooo Booooody knows

Buuuuuut I know

Springs will Plaaaaaay Again.

BnGhog wrote:Heres my song



Nooo Boooody Knows

What Greg Wiiiiilliams thinks.

Noooo Booooody knows

the trouble Spring is in.


Nooo Booooody knows

Buuuuuut I know

Springs will Plaaaaaay Again.

Don't quit your day job

JSPB22 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent, but said the team's "concern" with Springs was not related to his sports hernia from last year or any particular injury.

This is about Shawn's attitude, not whether or not he is healthy. We aren't saving him for Philly. Gibbs is trying to motivate him. Shawn shouldn't be clueless about why he didn't start. He is being paid a lot of money to perform, and Joe wants him to give 100% effort.

Motivate him how?

Shawn (according to his post game comments on Comcast) was content with it. He doesn't care and his check doesn't differ when he's a nickel. All Gibbs is doing is keeping the boy fresh for when he signs with another team next year. The Skins won't win this one.

I know, but that doesn't change Gibbs' reasoning. Shawn shouldn't be acting all bewildered by the move, though. If he wants to start, all he has to do is hustle on every play.

I don't think Gibbs had anything to do with this except not overturning the defensive coaching staff's (GW) decission.

Springs may have said he was fine with it on COMCAST, but his tone of voice and body language said that he was far from fine with it.

He says he is healthy, but for some reason the team says he is a little nicked. I don't know who to trust. If this was an offensive player I would have no dubt what was going on, but GW has used a players "health" to bench him in the past.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent, but said the team's "concern" with Springs was not related to his sports hernia from last year or any particular injury.

This is about Shawn's attitude, not whether or not he is healthy. We aren't saving him for Philly. Gibbs is trying to motivate him. Shawn shouldn't be clueless about why he didn't start. He is being paid a lot of money to perform, and Joe wants him to give 100% effort.

Motivate him how?

Shawn (according to his post game comments on Comcast) was content with it. He doesn't care and his check doesn't differ when he's a nickel. All Gibbs is doing is keeping the boy fresh for when he signs with another team next year. The Skins won't win this one.

I know, but that doesn't change Gibbs' reasoning. Shawn shouldn't be acting all bewildered by the move, though. If he wants to start, all he has to do is hustle on every play.

I don't think Gibbs had anything to do with this except not overturning the defensive coaching staff's (GW) decission.

Springs may have said he was fine with it on COMCAST, but his tone of voice and body language said that he was far from fine with it.

He says he is healthy, but for some reason the team says he is a little nicked. I don't know who to trust. If this was an offensive player I would have no dubt what was going on, but GW has used a players "health" to bench him in the past.

Anyone know what other teams have thought about Shawn's attitude in the past? If it's just lack of intensity, and he still manages to play as our best corner, why would we bench him? If GW is playing games, can the team really deal with this year after year and consistently be successful?

Here we go again with this B.S....... One would have thought that after last year and the "unnamed source" and all of the crap coming out of Redskins Park, Joe Gibbs and his team would now be on the same page. But now, it appears to be "High School Detention Part II"...

I was at home watching the game with my best friend and on that 3rd & 8 late in the game, I told my boy before the snap when I saw Rogers 2-3 yards past the first down marker that Trent Green was going to throw that way because Rogers was doing that same stuff he did last year giving receivers too much cushion. Sho' nuff, Green threw to I think Chambers for the first down because Rogers started back peddling further past the first down marker when the ball was snapped.

It was like Smoot and Rogers were scared to play closer to the liner because they were afraid to get beat deep. The last time I checked, Miami does not have any "burners" on their receiving corp. But yet, GW and his coaches continue to allow Rogers, and now Smoot, to give too much cushion to the other team's receivers.

Now you got a star player saying he's feels the best he has in four years but yet the HC says that he was told that the star player was not 100% in practice by his coaches. If this is how this organization is going to continue to operate by allowing it's coaches to make decisions because guys had contract issues, then I might as well become just a football fan instead of a Redskins fan.....

The last time I checked, Miami does not have any "burners" on their receiving corp. But yet, GW and his coaches continue to allow Rogers, and now Smoot, to give too much cushion to the other team's receivers.

Well for Miami not having any "burners", Chambers seemed to beat Smoot and Rogers on Sunday while they were playing 7 yards off the line. I watched the short cut of the game again today and Springs is by far the best CB we have. Hopefully they will start him next week or the week after. If they do I wonder who will start opposite? Does it even matter? Keep Springs in!!!![/quote]

Shawn Springs is a start it is just a matter of time. I hope this does not turn into anything more than it is right now. We will just have to see how it all unfolds

I posted this in another thread:

Fios wrote:Totally baseless speculation warning: is it possible Springs physical status is such that the team hopes to save him for later in the season and figures they can get by with Smoot as the starter? I have trouble believing Springs' play has deteriorated to the extent that he can't start.

And from a Redskins.com story today:

Head coach Joe Gibbs clarified Shawn Springs' situation on Tuesday during the "Joe Gibbs Show" on Redskins Radio with Larry Michael and Bram Weinstein.

Gibbs said that Springs had his hamstring wrapped early last week, which generated some concern among coaches and athletic trainers that he was injured.

Coaches wanted to make sure Springs was fully healthy for the entire season, so they opted to use him as a third cornerback for Sunday's game against Miami.

Said Gibbs: "We watch him very closely. Last week, early in the week, he had his hamstring wrapped. So right away the trainers come to me and they come to Jerry Gray and say, 'Hey look, he's got his hamstring and we're kind of concerned here.'

"So right off the bat, we started watching him. He went through some extra stretching on one of the other days.

"So our feeling is this: we do not want him missing a bunch of games. If there is anything that shows up there, we want to be careful with it to look out for him and the team."

Gibbs first addressed Springs' role during his Monday press conference at Redskins Park, but he declined to specify his injury.

Now, granted, that may not be the whole story. HOWEVER the idea of the team being overly cautious with its best corner given the solid-to-great receivers they have yet to play (Detroit, Arizona, Dallas, New England) makes more sense than the silly notion of petty grievances some people are far too quick to embrace.

I think we where actually deciding to see who is going to be are true #2 string CB.And I believe another reason is that Macklin didn't play and that we didn't have another good CB in the nickel.


But now i believe they'll found there 2nd string CB and with Springs and Smoot finally back together than we could have a 04 D .

We need Springs out there. Period. He might be the best open field tackler on the whole team. Certainly light years ahead of Rogers and Smoot. If Smoot and Rogers are gonna make plays for us then great, if theyre gonna play off everyone and drop game winning INT's then that's not OK. We need our best corner playing every down!

floridaskinsfan wrote:

The last time I checked, Miami does not have any "burners" on their receiving corp. But yet, GW and his coaches continue to allow Rogers, and now Smoot, to give too much cushion to the other team's receivers.

Well for Miami not having any "burners", Chambers seemed to beat Smoot and Rogers on Sunday while they were playing 7 yards off the line. I watched the short cut of the game again today and Springs is by far the best CB we have. Hopefully they will start him next week or the week after. If they do I wonder who will start opposite? Does it even matter? Keep Springs in!!!!

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Miami doesn't have any burners. It's a confidence and competency issue with Smoot and Rogers, IMO. I thought that when Smoot came back, he'd get back to the form he had here. It's early and only one game so I guess I can give Smoot a pass but Rogers on the other hand, Hell's Naw!!!!!!

Fios wrote:I posted this in another thread:

Fios wrote:Totally baseless speculation warning: is it possible Springs physical status is such that the team hopes to save him for later in the season and figures they can get by with Smoot as the starter? I have trouble believing Springs' play has deteriorated to the extent that he can't start.

And from a Redskins.com story today:

Head coach Joe Gibbs clarified Shawn Springs' situation on Tuesday during the "Joe Gibbs Show" on Redskins Radio with Larry Michael and Bram Weinstein.

Gibbs said that Springs had his hamstring wrapped early last week, which generated some concern among coaches and athletic trainers that he was injured.

Coaches wanted to make sure Springs was fully healthy for the entire season, so they opted to use him as a third cornerback for Sunday's game against Miami.

Said Gibbs: "We watch him very closely. Last week, early in the week, he had his hamstring wrapped. So right away the trainers come to me and they come to Jerry Gray and say, 'Hey look, he's got his hamstring and we're kind of concerned here.'

"So right off the bat, we started watching him. He went through some extra stretching on one of the other days.

"So our feeling is this: we do not want him missing a bunch of games. If there is anything that shows up there, we want to be careful with it to look out for him and the team."

Gibbs first addressed Springs' role during his Monday press conference at Redskins Park, but he declined to specify his injury.

Now, granted, that may not be the whole story. HOWEVER the idea of the team being overly cautious with its best corner given the solid-to-great receivers they have yet to play (Detroit, Arizona, Dallas, New England) makes more sense than the silly notion of petty grievances some people are far too quick to embrace.

Too bad Gibbs didn't hold Brunell out of more games "for his health". In 2004, when Brunell's severe hamstring injury was obviously affecting his performance, he still trotted Brunell out there for the first 9 games of the season.

Mursilis wrote:Too bad Gibbs didn't hold Brunell out of more games "for his health". In 2004, when Brunell's severe hamstring injury was obviously affecting his performance, he still trotted Brunell out there for the first 9 games of the season.

Ohhhh, dem sound likes fighten words.

Ball, court, Fios...

Well, it's not relevant, so I don't know why I need to reply. However, I never, once, ever defended the decision to play Brunell in 04. In fact, if you go back far enough in my posts, I was critical of Gibbs at that time. But, it's not the topic at-hand, so who cares?

Fios wrote:I posted this in another thread:

Fios wrote:Totally baseless speculation warning: is it possible Springs physical status is such that the team hopes to save him for later in the season and figures they can get by with Smoot as the starter? I have trouble believing Springs' play has deteriorated to the extent that he can't start.

And from a Redskins.com story today:

Head coach Joe Gibbs clarified Shawn Springs' situation on Tuesday during the "Joe Gibbs Show" on Redskins Radio with Larry Michael and Bram Weinstein.

Gibbs said that Springs had his hamstring wrapped early last week, which generated some concern among coaches and athletic trainers that he was injured.

Coaches wanted to make sure Springs was fully healthy for the entire season, so they opted to use him as a third cornerback for Sunday's game against Miami.

Said Gibbs: "We watch him very closely. Last week, early in the week, he had his hamstring wrapped. So right away the trainers come to me and they come to Jerry Gray and say, 'Hey look, he's got his hamstring and we're kind of concerned here.'

"So right off the bat, we started watching him. He went through some extra stretching on one of the other days.

"So our feeling is this: we do not want him missing a bunch of games. If there is anything that shows up there, we want to be careful with it to look out for him and the team."

Gibbs first addressed Springs' role during his Monday press conference at Redskins Park, but he declined to specify his injury.

Now, granted, that may not be the whole story. HOWEVER the idea of the team being overly cautious with its best corner given the solid-to-great receivers they have yet to play (Detroit, Arizona, Dallas, New England) makes more sense than the silly notion of petty grievances some people are far too quick to embrace.

I would be fine with that mentality. You go to Springs and say "Hey, we have depth at CB and we think your hammy is still a little tender and could use some more rest, so we aren't going to play you this week."

The team can't protect a guy with a bad hammy by playing him on certain downs and not others. Did they use a crystal ball and pick only the downs that you can't pull a hamstring on? I wish I knew how to pick those downs. Six months ago I was playing so one on one basketball and tore my calf muscle. Had I been playing full court I doubt that it would have happened. When you go full out for short bursts that is when you pull or tear a muscle. Spring could have aggravated his hammy in 12 plays just as easy as 48 plays!

Did anyone hear Czabe call Joe Gibbs a liar on the radio?

No but I heard someone one on the Jt show say Springs told him last Thursday that he wasn't starting, then played it off as a joke.

I'm having a hard time seeing that this is not "Lavar" all over again. This player contradicting the coach and vice-versa has happened here before so why has this organization not addressed that? Just tell the truth and be men about it.

Springs says he has felt better than he has in four years but the HC says he's got a hamstring problem. Like another poster said earlier, if he's got a hammy problem why play him on certain downs and not others? If you are that concerned about his hammy, sit him down, period. Because that receiver he is covering in the Nickle slot could just take off blazing down field, which last time I checked, causes one to sprint and possibly do more damage to a hammy.

If Springs is lying, then address him as such. They act like these grown-highly-paid men are middle school kids playing pop warner. Well you can't say such and such to Springs because.... He wants to basically call me a liar in public by saying he is 100% and doesn't know what I'm talking about, then let everybody 'in public' know that Springs is lying or just tell the truth that you are sitting him down because he not our guy anymore. I'm tired of all of these games, like we are dumb-azz fans. This is football and a man's game. Be a damn man and tell the truth about things. If you are unhappy with Springs, say it and move on. Trade him. But to jeapordize the other 52 guys and winning because he didn't renogotiate his contract is ridiculous. If Shawn Springs is our best cover guy, then start him, period. Last Sunday showed that Rogers hasn't really improved and Smoot needs to get his confidence back. "Saving Springs" for what? In this league, you need to win when you can with what you got. If Shawn get's hurt, that's football. Put someone else in and move on. I could see saving him if we were an offensive juggernaut like the Colts and the Patriots now appear to be with Moss. We could just outscore everybody. But we are not and what do the other players think about Shawn being "saved"???? I know if I was a player, I'd like to be "saved" to for $5million bucks.....

This is a joke. Of all the things this franchise does wrong, the fact that they can't communicate with their own employees has to be the most depressing. I've lost a lot of respect for Joe Gibbs, and the sad part is, it doesn't have anything to do with X's and O's. I'm just disgusted. Here's to hoping it all blows over, but this is a disturbing trend -- in his four seasons back in Washington, Gibbs and his coaching staff have had a feud/"communication issues" with three high profile players. Are these guys not professionals?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:This is a joke. Of all the things this franchise does wrong, the fact that they can't communicate with their own employees has to be the most depressing. I've lost a lot of respect for Joe Gibbs, and the sad part is, it doesn't have anything to do with X's and O's. I'm just disgusted. Here's to hoping it all blows over, but this is a disturbing trend -- in his four seasons back in Washington, Gibbs and his coaching staff have had a feud/"communication issues" with three high profile players. Are these guys not professionals?

I agree 100% with you. What does renegotiating his contract have to do with what is done on the field???? This organization needs to win and win now. And if Shawn Springs is our best cover guy and can help us win, then play him and let's win. The dummies in the front office should have thought about his cap hit before now and realize that he might now want to renegotiate his deal. You have to factor that in if you what you are doing. He didn't renegotiate and you didn't or couldn't cut him, so move on and stop doing the dumb crap with him like you did with Lavar. We have games to play and win and a Super Bowl to try to get to and win. Deal with that money crap in the off-season....

GW is in charge of defense, JG has to back him up.