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If any of you guys in the DC metro hear a report on the MRI please let us know. Jason is the key to the season. And he's going to need to be mobile with a junk O-line in front of him.

Man, pre-season is lame. You know some guys aren't going all out because it's glorified practice while others are going like it's the super bowl- makes for stupid injuries like this.

Just heard on Sirius NFL Radio it is just a bruise, but I will need a secondart source to really confirm it.

tribeofjudah wrote:not a pretty picture:

Well, I havent seen the game yet, but this pic leads me to believe that it was anything but a dirty play. His shoulder is closer to JC's hip than the knee. I don't even see a personal foul.

FWIW, Keisel walked over and said something to JC as he was limping off the field - I would assume it was some sort of apology, judging by the hang-dog look on Keisel's face. I don't think Keisel intended to do any sort of cheap shot.

DesertSkin wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:not a pretty picture:

Well, I havent seen the game yet, but this pic leads me to believe that it was anything but a dirty play. His shoulder is closer to JC's hip than the knee. I don't even see a personal foul.

Im reading these posts and if you havent watched the game then you really have no idea. The Oline played good last night. Jason threw the ball and the D lineman hit him late and he got flagged for it. The guy could have stopped but he didnt . So, I think it was a dirty hit. He seems to be ok, I saw his press conference and he said he is fine.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:ESPN is taking a bit more serious than most of you guys. I hope he's alright, I think Jason has a bright future and I want your guys best team out there for the opener.

HailSkins2007 wrote:Im reading these posts and if you havent watched the game then you really have no idea. The Oline played good last night. Jason threw the ball and the D lineman hit him late and he got flagged for it. The guy could have stopped but he didnt . So, I think it was a dirty hit. He seems to be ok, I saw his press conference and he said he is fine.

Just saw it on SportsCenter, watched it about dozen times on TIVO and saw nothing that looked dirty. Calling it a late hit is completely inaccurate. The ball was still in JC's hand when initial contact was made. Could he had not hit him at all, sure, but why would he do that. It's football, pre-season or not. Made contact above the knee. I don't see a problem with it other than it being done to our QB. If that had been Carter on a Pitt QB, I'd be upset that he got a penalty.

That was an awesome throw from JC BTW.

DesertSkin wrote:

HailSkins2007 wrote:Im reading these posts and if you havent watched the game then you really have no idea. The Oline played good last night. Jason threw the ball and the D lineman hit him late and he got flagged for it. The guy could have stopped but he didnt . So, I think it was a dirty hit. He seems to be ok, I saw his press conference and he said he is fine.

Just saw it on SportsCenter, watched it about dozen times on TIVO and saw nothing that looked dirty. Calling it a late hit is completely inaccurate. The ball was still in JC's hand when initial contact was made. Could he had not hit him at all, sure, but why would he do that. It's football, pre-season or not. Made contact above the knee. I don't see a problem with it other than it being done to our QB. If that had been Carter on a Pitt QB, I'd be upset that he got a penalty.

That was an awesome throw from JC BTW.

It was a great throw. If you look at it closer , he lunged forward after he could have stopped. Maybe saying it was dirty is alittle harsh. But, it didnt have to happen . Also, the ball was gone before the hit.

keep in mind that your watching this in slow motion. Imagine that your out of the field and playing the game. His job is to get to the QB, the only thing he did wrong was hit our QB too low.

Steelers have always been dirty players. Remember the Bengals vs Steelers game when that dude rolled in to Carson Palmer.

What a load... that was just a football play... Carson AND Campbell. Keisel was just trying to make a play... simple as that. Anyone who thinks otherwise, hasn't played and just doesn't know.

It's a tough game. You play it right, and someone will get hurt. Get over it.

DS is right. Were the shoe on the other foot, you'd all be whining about the penalty... AND YOU"D BE RIGHT!

Let's just be glad that JC doesn't seem severely injured. Move on.

Agreed , Move on.....

IMO if you don't agree with the penalty, you don't understand the rules of football.

It's very clear, if a QB is in the pocket, you can't hit him low.

I agree with the rule, and I like how it protects quarterbacks who are essentially defenseless.

Skinsfan55 wrote:IMO if you don't agree with the penalty, you don't understand the rules of football.

It's very clear, if a QB is in the pocket, you can't hit him low.

I agree with the rule, and I like how it protects quarterbacks who are essentially defenseless.

Oh, I understand the rule... I just don't like it, and, therefore, don't like the call... funny how the NFL somehow managed to survive through most of it's history without it, yet Sammy Baugh, YA Tittle, Johnny Unitas, Sonny Jurgensen, Roger Staubach, EVEN JOE NAMATH (of the famous incredibly gimpy knees) and on and on and on somehow managed to have complete careers...


The rule penalizes defensive players for playing football...

I am not sure what all the fuss is about:
- if the call was a late hit then that is a judgement call = no worries
- if the call was for hitting a QB low who is in the pocket then that is against the rule which was put in to help keep QBs from getting hurt = 15 yards

saying that there were all these QBs who played and never got hurt is so out of touch! What does that have to do with anything - the rules are there and to intimate that the refs should not abide by them because you feel its a "silly" rule is to show a lack of respect for the rules as they exist. If you do not like the rules get involved to the level that you can make the change otherwise hopefully the NFL will continue to manage this sport the way it sees fit and not according to some ignorant fan(s).

I think Lambert saying that they should allow the QBs to wear dresses is okay because he felt that the rules were being changed to promote more offense --- but Lambert never wanted the refs to not call the game by the rules, especially those that were initiated to protect the players, like offensive line blocking that had the potential to hurt defensive linemen.

Whether it was 'dirty' or not is subject to debate. The better question is whether it was necessary or not. And, by the fact that there was a "roughing the passer" penalty on the play answers that question.

I don't doubt that Keissel didn't mean to harm Campbell, but come on, it's pre-season, I don't think there's any need to rough the passer during pre-season, ESPECIALLY when it's against a team in another conferance.

I was more mad at Stephon Heyer...he looked like he was playing Patty Cake rather than engaging the guy.

The hit was low which is why it was a penalty. No they didn't have those rules in the YA tittle era, but they also didn't have 300 lb D Lineman who run in the sub 4.7 range hitting you low.

The game is much more violent now. Not that the old timers were soft, but its simple physics. Bigger, faster, stronger players create more violent collisions.

The hit wasn't 'dirty' but the guy hit him low in the pocket and it's a penalty. Can't have Qb's getting their years ended every week.

I was more mad at Stephon Heyer...he looked like he was playing Patty Cake rather than engaging the guy.

Heyer's attempted block was embarrassing. I guess that's what happens when you have an undrafted rookie protecting your qb's blindside.

SkinsJock wrote:I am not sure what all the fuss is about:
- if the call was a late hit then that is a judgement call = no worries
- if the call was for hitting a QB low who is in the pocket then that is against the rule which was put in to help keep QBs from getting hurt = 15 yards

saying that there were all these QBs who played and never got hurt is so out of touch! What does that have to do with anything - the rules are there and to intimate that the refs should not abide by them because you feel its a "silly" rule is to show a lack of respect for the rules as they exist. If you do not like the rules get involved to the level that you can make the change otherwise hopefully the NFL will continue to manage this sport the way it sees fit and not according to some ignorant fan(s).

I think Lambert saying that they should allow the QBs to wear dresses is okay because he felt that the rules were being changed to promote more offense --- but Lambert never wanted the refs to not call the game by the rules, especially those that were initiated to protect the players, like offensive line blocking that had the potential to hurt defensive linemen.

It certainly wasn't my intention to start anything, but since so many are piling on, I'm going to respond. I do not appreciate the intimation that my refusal to get on board with short sighted rules that have forever changed a fantastic game makes me "an ignorant fan".

That some fans had the good fortune to watch football before the days it was wimpified with special rules to protect special players does not make them "ignorant". Shame you feel the childish need to call names.

The game was designed to be played a certain way. I continue to enjoy the game... I just know what we are missing, as well. I know what the game looked like before the owners decided to tinker to protect their "special" players. Before the league decided that points were more important than a good defensive struggle. I know that referees decided the outcome of far fewer games then, than they do today.

Regarding Lambert's comments... Lambert hated the way the game was being "sisified". No interpretation of yours can change that. Rules that limited contact by defensive backs, rules that permitted OL to use their hands more, rules that let the qb intentionally ground the ball to stop the clock (why isn't intentional grounding always intentional grounding?)... all are complete bs, and all have "softened" the game. The game is stacked against defenses today... and if you are a fan of defensive football, that stinks. There are plenty of us still around who happen to enjoy a 4-2 score in a football game once in a while.

Roger Wehrle was just inducted into the Hall of Fame. He would not come close to even making a team today because the rules would have forbid his playing style. The same is true of the player in my avatar. We have lost much of the game, and you don't get it, because you never saw it. Many of the toughest SOB's to ever play the game would not make teams today, not because they don't have the talent, but because the game doesn't permit their talents to be used. That stinks. I'm sorry that you don't get it. Does that make you "some ignorant fan"?

Countertrey wrote:Roger Wehrle was just inducted into the Hall of Fame. He would not come close to even making a team today because the rules would have forbid his playing style. The same is true of the player in my avatar. We have lost much of the game, and you don't get it, because you never saw it. Many of the toughest SOB's to ever play the game would not make teams today, not because they don't have the talent, but because the game doesn't permit their talents to be used. That stinks. I'm sorry that you don't get it. Does that make you "some ignorant fan"?

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Pat could play this game under thess rules... those rules... or any other rules they come up with

mri results = negative, campell listed as day to day, as per nfl network.

It wasn't dirty..hit was above the knee, which is why Jason isn' t out for the season.

Campbell day-to-day with knee bruise

By Adam Schefter | NFL Network

The NFL Network's Adam Schefter is reporting that the Washington Redskins' scare with quarterback Jason Campbell turned out to be just that -- a scare.

A magnetic resonance imaging test on Campbell's knee Sunday turned out to be negative and that the QB is suffering from just a bruise.

Campbell, who suffered the injury in Saturday night's loss to the Steelers, is now listed as day-to-day.

In other Redskins' news, Schefter is reporting that linebacker Marcus Washington dislocated his elbow Saturday. Doctors reset the elbow and Washington is expected to miss two weeks.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8019a7ff&template=without-video&confirm=true

1niksder wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Roger Wehrle was just inducted into the Hall of Fame. He would not come close to even making a team today because the rules would have forbid his playing style. The same is true of the player in my avatar. We have lost much of the game, and you don't get it, because you never saw it. Many of the toughest SOB's to ever play the game would not make teams today, not because they don't have the talent, but because the game doesn't permit their talents to be used. That stinks. I'm sorry that you don't get it. Does that make you "some ignorant fan"?

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Pat could play this game under thess rules... those rules... or any other rules they come up with

Gotta disagree, 1nik... PM sent, bro...

My bad Coutertrey for intimating you were "ignorant" I did not mean that - I also agree that the rules sometimes seen unnecessary - its just that they are the rules - I also agree with the fact that this was just not a good way to take a guy down and I think in essence that is what you were referring to as well - hail

SkinsJock wrote:My bad Coutertrey for intimating you were "ignorant" I did not mean that - I also agree that the rules sometimes seen unnecessary - its just that they are the rules - I also agree with the fact that this was just not a good way to take a guy down and I think in essence that is what you were referring to as well - hail

We're good, brother.