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Palmer sucked??? I wouldn't say that at all. Brunell, Collins, and Bramlet didn't look too great but I thought Palmer looked nice. Scrimmage was very underwhelming however and not worth the price of admission. I would go again if it is free but its not worth paying for. That was just like camp if anyone has been to that. I'm ready for August 18th!

Look at the bright side ... at least I haven't heard of any injuries!

I'm glad the pic turned out nicely, I love sitting with you guys. It's always a pleasure and thrilling experience. lol

Per Joe:

"We came out of it without any [new] injuries, which is good, and we looked [at] a lot of the guys we wanted to look at, who have a chance [to make the team]," Gibbs said. "We decided against putting some of the front-line guys in, particularly on offense, and we kind of picked and choosed on defense who was out there. Next week in the preseason it'll be a whole different deal, and the front-line guys will be taking quite a bit of the action."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401040.html?hpid=sec-sports

Wow, I guess prayers do get answered

rick301 wrote:Per Joe:

"We came out of it without any [new] injuries, which is good, and we looked [at] a lot of the guys we wanted to look at, who have a chance [to make the team]," Gibbs said. "We decided against putting some of the front-line guys in, particularly on offense, and we kind of picked and choosed on defense who was out there. Next week in the preseason it'll be a whole different deal, and the front-line guys will be taking quite a bit of the action."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401040.html?hpid=sec-sports

I have to say that my scrimmage experience was one of disappointment. First of all, it was 100+ degrees outside. Second of all, the first team offense didn't take the field in 11 on 11 drills which was really disappointing. I didn't sit through the heat to see all second and third string players battle it out. To top it all off, when my g/f left the stands to go stand in the tunnel because of the heat, a bunch of drunk fans were disrespectfully hitting on her. I don't think I will ever do another scrimmage. Not worth the time or money.

You can tell the season's drawing close... people have their Redskin microscopes out... read my sig... people ready to pass judgment and scream bloody murder after a scrimmage?

Wow, that's kind of weak even for this motley crew.

Let's be honest here - people are not angry with anyone but THEMSELVES, for thinking for one second that a scrimmage was going to be worth attending (and then actually going).



You got exactly what most of us have come to expect out of these scrimmages - nothing. If you want to wax poetic about the downtrodden state of it all, go ahead - it just comes off as witless.

Saturday was pretty much to be expected. There have been a couple of articles this week about how impossible it is for FIVE quarterbacks to get reps in at camp - you had to know that the 'incumbents' would get a long look, and since Campbell is definitively the starter, they don't need to assess him, so he was done after the seven-on-sevens. (I'll also point out at this time that JC took MOST of the snaps in the seven-on-sevens.)

Joe knows the scrimmages are over-hyped and used the opportunity to assess fringe talent, and maybe make some roster moves (this week) that allow for the important slots to get more work for the rest of camp. Some might see that as a negative, but i don't.

I read words like 'reportedly' in comments and I just wonder to myself how somebody who is privy to the garbage that is reported 9 times out of 10, or 99 times out of 100, how do you still put faith in what is actually reported? Truly unbelievable.

Yes folks, games are finally upon us and you can feel that this time, the sky really is falling this year.

No seriously it is. I just got hit by a cloud of despair. Here come the Cumulus Nimrods now.

Hey I really like the sound of that - the Cumulus Nimrods. Maybe this year we should have a Cumulus Nimrod Award every week....

BossHog wrote:You can tell the season's drawing close... people have their Redskin microscopes out... read my sig... people ready to pass judgment and scream bloody murder after a scrimmage?

Wow, that's kind of weak even for this motley crew.

Let's be honest here - people are not angry with anyone but THEMSELVES, for thinking for one second that a scrimmage was going to be worth attending (and then actually going).



You got exactly what most of us have come to expect out of these scrimmages - nothing. If you want to wax poetic about the downtrodden state of it all, go ahead - it just comes off as witless.

Saturday was pretty much to be expected. There have been a couple of articles this week about how impossible it is for FIVE quarterbacks to get reps in at camp - you had to know that the 'incumbents' would get a long look, and since Campbell is definitively the starter, they don't need to assess him, so he was done after the seven-on-sevens. (I'll also point out at this time that JC took MOST of the snaps in the seven-on-sevens.)

Joe knows the scrimmages are over-hyped and used the opportunity to assess fringe talent, and maybe make some roster moves (this week) that allow for the important slots to get more work for the rest of camp. Some might see that as a negative, but i don't.

I read words like 'reportedly' in comments and I just wonder to myself how somebody who is privy to the garbage that is reported 9 times out of 10, or 99 times out of 100, how do you still put faith in what is actually reported? Truly unbelievable.

Yes folks, games are finally upon us and you can feel that this time, the sky really is falling this year.

No seriously it is. I just got hit by a cloud of despair. Here come the Cumulus Nimrods now.

Hey I really like the sound of that - the Cumulus Nimrods. Maybe this year we should have a Cumulus Nimrod Award every week....

I guess I used to be THE pessemist of this board but I guess not anymore.
I watched the scrimmage and I really think only the coaches can be the true evaluators of this. So what if Campbell didn't play 11 on 11? Palmer was in jeopardy of getting cut this week and they gave him work. Brunell is what he is right now, a #2. Campbell looked fine in 7 on 7. Yeah he made a ton of dump off passes but who cares? Would any of us care if he made 9 straight dump offs enroute to a TD score? I'll take it. Isn't that what the west coast offense does?
Settle people. It will be OK. I'll be the first one on here crying my eyes out if they look terrible come the 3rd preseason game. That's the one you really need to look at. Like they always say, waiting is the hardest part. But that's what we have to do until the Miami game to really know where this team is at. Have faith in JC, he's going to be good!

I have two reactions to these two sides of the story:

1) I understand the reactions of many fans to an abysmal scrimmage.

If Prof. Skinner is right in his behavioristic theory, we have been CONDITIONED to expect the collapse of our team at the beginning of a season. Yes, we have been CONDITIONED to expect failure over the better part of the last FIFTEEN (15) seasons!

The truth is that it is difficult to persuade fans CONDITIONED to expect failure after any sign of lack of progress as the first domino piece during training camp knocking the next one over during the pre-season and so on until the team collapses entirely during the regular season.

Why would this season be different? The answer: Because the behaviorist theory is not really a comprehensive explanation to the psychological behavior of a human person. We do really not know much about the event we are trying to predict. You could read as many positive signs as you would read the negative ones before you can make an accurate Hognostication.

2) A scrimmage is a very poor window to gain any true understanding about the status and readiness of this team. I say the same thing about the pre-season games in which my MOST important concern are injuries!

Hail to the Redskins!

Unfortunately, l had to record this scrimmage (working all day) but maybe that was a good thing, because l could actually get a good look at the important parts and skip all the B.S. What l took away from all of this was a very basic and "watered down" version of the offense we intend to run this year. The dump off passes, for the majority, appear to be a second or sometimes 3rd read for JC in the 7on7 drills, which is what l like to see out of a QB with only a handful of actual starts under his belt. The personel packages seemed to be very mixed-matched and after watching the Gibbs interview , it confirmed what l thought l was seeing. lm in agreement with most of you, wishing we could make these scrimmages a little more enjoyable to watch, but it wasnt that long ago when these were actually untelevised and held at the pratice facilities, not in an actual stadium.
There were few highlights to take from this, but we came away from it clean(no injuries). However if we look like this next week in pre-season, referring to the obvious lack of enthusiasm, lm gonna be throwing things at my T.V. and saying things l hope my children dont hear.

You guys are all very knowledgeable football and Redskin fans and l think if you get a chance to catch the replay maybe TiVO it and watch some of the individual stuff with the "clicker in hand" and evaluate it as coaches do you can find a few more things to feel good about.

thanks for allowing me to throw a rookies point of view in here, hopefully l will improve throughout the season and can be as insightful as the rest of you guys are

jmooney wrote:Unfortunately, l had to record this scrimmage (working all day) but maybe that was a good thing, because l could actually get a good look at the important parts and skip all the B.S. What l took away from all of this was a very basic and "watered down" version of the offense we intend to run this year. The dump off passes, for the majority, appear to be a second or sometimes 3rd read for JC in the 7on7 drills, which is what l like to see out of a QB with only a handful of actual starts under his belt. The personel packages seemed to be very mixed-matched and after watching the Gibbs interview , it confirmed what l thought l was seeing. lm in agreement with most of you, wishing we could make these scrimmages a little more enjoyable to watch, but it wasnt that long ago when these were actually untelevised and held at the pratice facilities, not in an actual stadium.
There were few highlights to take from this, but we came away from it clean(no injuries). However if we look like this next week in pre-season, referring to the obvious lack of enthusiasm, lm gonna be throwing things at my T.V. and saying things l hope my children dont hear.

You guys are all very knowledgeable football and Redskin fans and l think if you get a chance to catch the replay maybe TiVO it and watch some of the individual stuff with the "clicker in hand" and evaluate it as coaches do you can find a few more things to feel good about.

thanks for allowing me to throw a rookies point of view in here, hopefully l will improve throughout the season and can be as insightful as the rest of you guys are

Nice post, welcome to the site, and thanks for the analysis.

I think some of us forget why we actually watch football. It is for entertainment. If I have to pay to see a scrimmage, a game or whatever, I am looking for some decent entertainment. I would rather have seen Bramlet/Palmer throw in the 7on7 drills and see our starting quarterback in more of a game situation. Its not like Campbell has 8 years experience going against NFL defenses and doesn't need that much scrimmage/practice time. Baltimore has a good defense and it would have been good to see him in the 11on11 drills.

It was still a neat experience because it felt good to represent the Skins in enemy territory! I sat with a bunch of other Skins fans on our side of the field and I could feel the comradery amongst all wearing burgundy and gold. Not to mention I am grooming a new skins fan (girlfriend) to join the ranks of the most elite fans in the world!

l watched the recorded scrimmage again, see if you guys notice a difference in JC's footwork from this, compared to the highlight video from last year, I did.
l dont know if this stems from more confidence in himself or if it was some offseason coaching.

The passing mechanism for a QB is wired from the eyes to the brain, through the legs then into the arm.
My evaluation from last year was that Campbell was trying to make alot of throws with armstrength and his feet and body positioning looked a little "off" kind of a backward lean , throwing off the back foot

l see more of a fluid throw with his weight transfer moving forward now, good signs IMO

BossHog wrote:Hey I really like the sound of that - the Cumulus Nimrods. Maybe this year we should have a Cumulus Nimrod Award every week....

I second that!

I can't believe some of you are complaining about the starters not playing in the 11-on-11 drills. Are you kidding me? If we did play the starters, and one or more of them got hurt, like Moss or Jansen, you'd be the same people up in arms and complaining about Gibbs playing starters in a scrimmage and getting them hurt.

Gibbs said from the beginning that this was an opportunity to get a look and the 2nd and 3rd tier players. That's what scrimmages are for. Did you see all of the Ravens starters out there? Of coarse not! IT"S A SCRIMMAGE!



During this preseason, I hope the Skins try to look as vanilla as possible. I'd continue to throw some dinks and dunks and hope that the rest of the league continues to think we are as bad as last year. The media has aided with this notion, and I think the Skins can take advantage of it. That's the strategy I'd maintain anyway.

I think we all already know that Saunders has a proven offense, and I think we all know we have some talent on offense, so why show your entire repertoire?

Now, that said, I genuinely hope we win some preseason games, but not at the price of injured starters and revealing too much of the offense that they intend to employ this coming season. Remember, we only saw a 'fraction' of Saunders playbook last year, which was limited by injuries and a QB switch mid-season. The more advanced plays can be worked on in practice and saved for the regular season, IMO.

With the exception of a few positions, I think we know who the starters are going to be. We sustained a lot of injuries last year. Give the starters some work, remain steadfast with the conditioning, and try not to get our starters killed or burnt out in the preseason.

Jeeezz, what in the heck was I thinking! You guys are absolutely right!

I messed around and got inside my time machine and took a ride to 2007. I totally forgot that we're still in the 80's. The consistency and championships we've been winning the past few years should be more than enough to win me over. And the best thing I love and stupidly ignored about this team was it's CONSISTENCY.

THE 80'S RAWK BABY1!!!!!

I don't know what I would do if we didn't do anything noteworthy as a team for 12+ years. Who could imagine such a horror?

It feels great to not be born...so I guess that makes me a figment of your imagination!

I agree with BossHog and Patjam, a majority of Redskins fans can be grouped in either the pessimists or the optimists, I cant blame the pessimists the Skins can give us all hope and rip it right from us, and the same with the optimists we can have a great 10-6 season with a playoff win, and of course expectations can rise and then boom 5-11. But either way it was a scrimmage, as much as all of us love to downplay the scrimmage or exaggerate its importance (depending under which group u fall under) we still have 4 pre-season games to go and those measily 16 regular season games that count for slight more than 1 scrimmage and 4 pre-season. So which ever group you fall under, we all are under die-hard-bleed burgundy and gold-hail to the redskins yellin-outta control hogs-face paintin-jersey wearing Washington Redskins fans. So lets just hope and you never know, who the hell woulda put the Saints in the NFC championship last year, and Jeff Garcia being all nasty, so lets just hope the we have some diamonds in the ruff that come out and make NFL surprise this year is the Washington Redskins soo all the critics can eat their words (HBO especially)

PMG12569 wrote:I agree with BossHog and Patjam, a majority of Redskins fans can be grouped in either the pessimists or the optimists, I cant blame the pessimists the Skins can give us all hope and rip it right from us, and the same with the optimists we can have a great 10-6 season with a playoff win, and of course expectations can rise and then boom 5-11. But either way it was a scrimmage, as much as all of us love to downplay the scrimmage or exaggerate its importance (depending under which group u fall under) we still have 4 pre-season games to go and those measily 16 regular season games that count for slight more than 1 scrimmage and 4 pre-season. So which ever group you fall under, we all are under die-hard-bleed burgundy and gold-hail to the redskins yellin-outta control hogs-face paintin-jersey wearing Washington Redskins fans. So lets just hope and you never know, who the hell woulda put the Saints in the NFC championship last year, and Jeff Garcia being all nasty, so lets just hope the we have some diamonds in the ruff that come out and make NFL surprise this year is the Washington Redskins soo all the critics can eat their words (HBO especially)

NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!! HAIL TO THE REDSKINS !!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm mostly pissed we sweltered out there and didn't get to see JC.

um, it was a scrimmage in August, what did you expect?

And I thought the first couple pre-season games were pointless... They should get rid of scrimmages.

After reading this yesterday, I nearly passed on watching the NFL network's rebroadcast of the scrimmage. I'm glad that I didn't because the Skins looked just fine.

Did you guys sit with J Lac or something and have him do his hater play by play for you (the guy really should be covering soccer full time - in europe)

I expected an awful showing based on reviews. The only one who was truly awful was Troy Brown and he's a Raven. And it was a Raven's broadcast, so why get geeked up that all the interviews and announcers were Raven's homers? And I thought that 'Amber' was kinda cute, so didn't mind seeing her interviews.

Okay, sorry about the rant, but I'm sorta surprised the glass looked half empty. So . . . Mark B and Collins both look old don't they? From what I saw on TV Collins looked like the odd man out with Casey 3rd string and Palmer on the practice squad. And the pash rush still needs help - but Fletcher looks like a real run stuffer. Wish they would have shown more of the individual drills. But heck, it was great to see burgundy and gold on TV again - the off season is finally over!

Ok, The broadcast was horrible. They kept saying that the first team defense was in when that wasnt true. And that Omar Stoutmire was the RB . Thats why I said it was absolutely awful. What I saw from JC was good, MB looked really bad though.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm mostly pissed we sweltered out there and didn't get to see JC.

um, it was a scrimmage in August, what did you expect?

Reading comprehension says that the sweltering would have been worth it if I had seen JC play 11-11. Comprehension being the key word.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm mostly pissed we sweltered out there and didn't get to see JC.

um, it was a scrimmage in August, what did you expect?

Reading comprehension says that the sweltering would have been worth it if I had seen JC play 11-11. Comprehension being the key word.

It seems like people who weren't at the scrimmage will not understand the situation. We wanted to see our starting quarterback just for one series in 11on11. I don't think its to much to ask considering I saw more of Campbell at training camp in 11on11 than going against another team in a "practice". We didn't go out and SUPPORT our team in the sweltering heat just to see the "will be cuts" play in a real game like situation. YES, I know it was "just a scrimmage". Those of us that were there weren't asking for Campbell to take every snap rather get a glimpse of him going against a top tier defense in 11on11.

I personally don't care what any of you think about my dissapointment in the scrimmage. Truly I could not care less.

You all make it sound like I should have expected NOT to see JC when this is the 1st time in the history of the scrimmage that we did NOT see the starter play in the 11-11's.

Reality check, it's not the 80's anymore, we've stunk it up pretty much for over a decade and your hair is thinning.

I'll take your complaints seriously when we put together two winning seasons in a row.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jeeezz, what in the heck was I thinking! You guys are absolutely right!

I messed around and got inside my time machine and took a ride to 2007. I totally forgot that we're still in the 80's. The consistency and championships we've been winning the past few years should be more than enough to win me over. And the best thing I love and stupidly ignored about this team was it's CONSISTENCY.

I don't know what I would do if we didn't do anything noteworthy as a team for 12+ years. Who could imagine such a horror?

Ohhh right.... that's what has cost us a bad '12 years' - bad scrimmages.

... and obviously now that the scrimmage has been and gone - we're doomed, doomed, doomed!



Wheras if we'd have just practiced well, we'd have been going to the show because of the consistency we would have established. You do tend to establish a lot of continuity when you have 90 guys on a 53-man roster... so what if you have second, third and fourth stringers playing all over the place. You can still establish some continuity and fix what's been broken for 12 years by doing so.

Our paltry record the last decade OBVIOUSLY stems from scrimmages just like this one. I stand corrected. I have now discerned on the basis of a 10-7 scrimmage result, that the Redskins are heading for the cellar, and the Ravens are heading for the Super Bowl in 2007... how could a scrimmage possibly be wrong about such things.

But hey... I finally see that new 'positive' outlook on things that you're always talking about CLL... and at least I have a couple of candidates for the very first Cumulus Nimrod Award...

I guess we'll keep this thread 'uninformed' and not even mention the fact that it was 141 degrees at field level. We should have been playing until we puked and were on the brink of heat exhaustion - at least we'd be able to establish some CONSISTENCY.