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BearSkins wrote:

brad7686 wrote:But eight games is alot. If the price is right they might wanna pull the trigger.

tank's the kinda guy that would demand HE be the one pulling any triggers...

Skins2daGrave wrote:i think he's really changed, i say we should go after him

It does seem like he's changed for the better - he's gone from felonies to mere misdemeanors! He's a real choir boy, this one!

Mursilis wrote:

Skins2daGrave wrote:i think he's really changed, i say we should go after him

It does seem like he's changed for the better - he's gone from felonies to mere misdemeanors! He's a real choir boy, this one!

Just watch: in 4 years, he'll be doing community service for fun!

BearSkins wrote:Guys, he is an all around bad egg. Clearly a troubled individual. AVOID AVOID AVOID.

Besides that, he's not even THAT good of a player. Looked pretty good when Tommie Harris was next to him, was anonymous when he had Alfonso Boone et al there.

I agree .. hes never been much of anything.. then Tommie came along and garnered so much attention that he was able to make a couple plays..

and before all his legal issues did any of you really know who he was? I wasnt that aware of him.. Hes never been a pro bowl caliber player. hes just FAT .. yea we could use that for stuffing the run but like someone mentioned earlier AFTER he served his eight games which might get bumped to 10 or a season now all he would do is cause division in the locker room .. you think players will be ok with him taking a spot from someone who has been battling on the line for us for the 1st 8 games

Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

Skins2daGrave wrote:i think he's really changed, i say we should go after him

since when, last week when he was pulled over for a DWI. Give our young guys a chance. I think we will be fine at DT.

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one making an argument that the NFL is filled with problematic players. You can't just throw that out there and expect it to stand on its own merit (mostly because it doesn't have any).

I know that signing this guy Tank Johnson would be a hugh gamble on the other hand this guy needs help and the Bears said they would help him and they never did. I know IF he did come to Washington Joe Gibbs would really help this guy unlike the Bears. the other thing is that he is suspended for half of the season and with this other situation with the DUI, I'm not sure if they will suspend some more games. All I know is this. This guy needs help and somebody needs to help him otherwise he will continue to make bad decisions.

he wont be a Redskin.. if we werent willing to make any upgrades to the D-Line throughout this offseason then we certainly arent going to go after a risk like Tank

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one making an argument that the NFL is filled with problematic players. You can't just throw that out there and expect it to stand on its own merit (mostly because it doesn't have any).

Ok you're right, considering that they all make a ton of money and have no real reason to commit any crime whatsoever, and they have more things to lose than most normal citizens if they do misbehave, there is plenty of reason for there to be that many in legal trouble.

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one making an argument that the NFL is filled with problematic players. You can't just throw that out there and expect it to stand on its own merit (mostly because it doesn't have any).

Ok you're right, considering that they all make a ton of money and have no real reason to commit any crime whatsoever, and they have more things to lose than most normal citizens if they do misbehave, there is plenty of reason for there to be that many in legal trouble.

That is a tangent that in no way addresses your claim that the league has many troublemakers.

In other words, after 7 posts, it looks like SkinsJock's original point still stands. . .

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one making an argument that the NFL is filled with problematic players. You can't just throw that out there and expect it to stand on its own merit (mostly because it doesn't have any).

Ok you're right, considering that they all make a ton of money and have no real reason to commit any crime whatsoever, and they have more things to lose than most normal citizens if they do misbehave, there is plenty of reason for there to be that many in legal trouble.

That is a tangent that in no way addresses your claim that the league has many troublemakers.

I could easily support this claim if I took the time to look up all the people in legal trouble, and compared it to any other professional sport other than basketball (which is worse). Why do you think Goodell and Stern are so antsy about everything? It is a problem.

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Fios wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone who thinks that there are "a lot of players" who are playing in the NFL currently that are not good for the sport have absolutely no idea of what they are saying and that is also a very good indication of their lack of knowledge about the current NFL.

Currently there are over 2,000 NFL players trying to make a roster and in my opinion most of these guys are a credit to the NFL.

Tell that to Cincinnatti P.D.

The point still stands, your sample size is tiny relative to the league as a whole

I'm not saying there aren't other places with problems, that's just the worst place.

The burden of proof is on you, you're the one making an argument that the NFL is filled with problematic players. You can't just throw that out there and expect it to stand on its own merit (mostly because it doesn't have any).

Ok you're right, considering that they all make a ton of money and have no real reason to commit any crime whatsoever, and they have more things to lose than most normal citizens if they do misbehave, there is plenty of reason for there to be that many in legal trouble.

That is a tangent that in no way addresses your claim that the league has many troublemakers.

I could easily support this claim if I took the time to look up all the people in legal trouble, and compared it to any other professional sport other than basketball (which is worse). Why do you think Goodell and Stern are so antsy about everything? It is a problem.

I'm calling your bluff, do the research. I can save you some time though and tell you that the problematic guys are the exception (in both leagues) and not the rule. Goodell and Stern know that the image and reputation of their respective leagues is crucial to their long-term success and work to actively mitigate any potential fall out. Stern actually goes too far in my opinion but that's another topic entirely.

Irn-Bru wrote:In other words, after 7 posts, it looks like SkinsJock's original point still stands. . .

Or mine from page 1

so the bears cut Tank Johnson huh?

SIGN HIM AND GIVE HIM ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS

maybe we can hook him up with a good arms dealer here too.. gotta give him incentive to come and play here.. i say 20 million upfront.. he could double as security for the white house too

everydayAskinsday wrote:maybe we can hook him up with a good arms dealer here too.. gotta give him incentive to come and play here.. i say 20 million upfront.. he could double as security for the white house too

He should be tasked with arming the nation's children

not only arming the children but also giving tours of DC.. only SLIGHTLY impaired though

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02134.html

They say at least 35, so lets make that an even number an go 40. 53 times 32 equals 1696, divided by 40 means 1 in every 42 was arrested last year. Now, there are no stats on other professions to really compare that with. So i suppose we are at an impasse. 1 out of 42 doesn't sound bad but i'm sure that not 1 out of every 42 people are arrested in most professions. But i can't prove that. I can tell you that you don't hear about as many murders, fights, rapes, abuses and now dogfighting issues in other sports as you do in the NFL and NBA

brad7686 wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121502134.html

They say at least 35, so lets make that an even number an go 40. 53 times 32 equals 1696, divided by 40 means 1 in every 42 was arrested last year. Now, there are no stats on other professions to really compare that with. So i suppose we are at an impasse. 1 out of 42 doesn't sound bad but i'm sure that not 1 out of every 42 people are arrested in most professions. But i can't prove that.

Keep it at 35 and you have one player in every 48. Now, 53 players is the final roster for every team, of course, but each team has around 70 players coming into camp every year that have some chance of making the squad. The new ratio of 35 / 2240 would mean one player in every 64 was getting into legal trouble, or a little over one person per every team's training camp.

Keep in mind also that most of the charges are for things like "disorderly conduct" and some DUIs that players get. (Bruce Smith got a DUI while on our team -- does he seem like a trouble-maker?)

I won't argue as to how that compares to other leagues or professions, but in my mind the original claim that the troublemakers are (by far) the exception rather than the rule in the NFL seems to hold its own.