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He was on the shoulder and got into some grit and such as it states in the article. If you have never ridden a motorcycle you wouldn't understand.

Lavar will always be a skin in my mind. Not to rehash things too much but it was not his lack of talent that got him the boot, nor was it "assignment disclipline". It was many things aligned against him in the new regime, too much for a grizzled vet who had to carry the defense on his back for 5 years to start slobbering all over the new egomaniacal defensive coordinator.

Funny that G Williams favorite excuse for benching Lavar was for playing too loose and not adhering to his detailed schemes and now this year thinks that the defense needs to play more loose and has simplified the schemes to allow more of the players natural ability and talent to shine through.

"Williams, who declined to comment for this story, told players this offseason that he plans to get his best players to the point of attack as much as possible and give them more freedom, they said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... tml?sub=AR

The point is so many fanboys here immediately swallow whatever a coach is saying to the press. Lavar carried this defense for years under a carousel of coaching staffs. A new D coordinator ( just fired from his Head coaching job) came in whose ego was bigger than even Lavars and wanted to set examples. What better way to get the attention of the rest of the squad than to humilate the Veteran who had led them up to that point? There was a new boss in town and he got everyones attention with his treatment of the "untouchable" Redskin, Lavar Arrington.

Get well Lavar, I miss seeing you in B&G buddy!

I love you REDSKINS Fans...we are the Greatest!!!
See you soon LaVar...

nuskins wrote:He was on the shoulder and got into some grit and such as it states in the article. If you have never ridden a motorcycle you wouldn't understand.

You're right, I've never ridden a motorcycle, but then I know my limits. A quick internet search tells me that the machine he was riding is the sort of thing that should only be ridden by proficient motorcyclists. The fact that he didn't have the appropriate licence endorsement to ride any motorcycle does not prove that he isn't a proficient motorcyclist, but it does suggest to me that his attitude to the law and road safety is cavalier. Of course, professional athletes have no need to observe the same laws as the rest of us, do they?

But then I am one judgemental, sanctimonious SOB.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

nuskins wrote:He was on the shoulder and got into some grit and such as it states in the article. If you have never ridden a motorcycle you wouldn't understand.

You're right, I've never ridden a motorcycle, but then I know my limits. A quick internet search tells me that the machine he was riding is the sort of thing that should only be ridden by proficient motorcyclists. The fact that he didn't have the appropriate licence endorsement to ride any motorcycle does not prove that he isn't a proficient motorcyclist, but it does suggest to me that his attitude to the law and road safety is cavalier. Of course, professional athletes have no need to observe the same laws as the rest of us, do they?

But then I am one judgemental, sanctimonious SOB.

That bike is/was clearly too much bike for LaVar ... I have friends who ride and, to a man, they said they would not get on that bike and go riding around on the beltway

UK Skins Fan wrote:

nuskins wrote:He was on the shoulder and got into some grit and such as it states in the article. If you have never ridden a motorcycle you wouldn't understand.

You're right, I've never ridden a motorcycle, but then I know my limits. A quick internet search tells me that the machine he was riding is the sort of thing that should only be ridden by proficient motorcyclists. The fact that he didn't have the appropriate licence endorsement to ride any motorcycle does not prove that he isn't a proficient motorcyclist, but it does suggest to me that his attitude to the law and road safety is cavalier. Of course, professional athletes have no need to observe the same laws as the rest of us, do they?

But then I am one judgemental, sanctimonious SOB.

The bike was too much for him? I don't know about that. I couldn't find wut type of bike it was but I assume it was a 1000cc sport bike?

At highway speed on a 250 Ninja, if you hit some gravel while going anywhere but straight you're going to low side in a hurry. Heck, if you hit some gravel during a turn on a city street you might dump the bike.

IF gravel was the culprit, there was nothing he could have done. Thats the risk you take with 2 wheels.

He was doing 'wheelies'

andyjens89 wrote:He was doing 'wheelies'

Was he really?

the article wrote:Arrington, who turns 29 Wednesday...was issued two citations -- one for operating the motorcycle without a proper license and the other for the crash itself.

Why did he get fined for the crash itself? Do you really get punished for having a one-vehicle accident? Even if its attributable to something like a patch of gravel?

Irn-Bru wrote:

the article wrote:Arrington, who turns 29 Wednesday...was issued two citations -- one for operating the motorcycle without a proper license and the other for the crash itself.

Why did he get fined for the crash itself? Do you really get punished for having a one-vehicle accident? Even if its attributable to something like a patch of gravel?

I would imagine that the second citation is either automatic or predicated on whether the accident presented an impediment to other motorists

Perhaps Lavarrrrr crashed because he was speeding, and therefore should have been ticketed anyway.

Other than that, he's "doing great."

Yeah if doing great means not being able to walk for a while then I don't want to be doing great

This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

Brilliant contribution.

He deserves it.

The guy re-negotiated his contract and saved the Redskins millions and millions of dollars... under NO circumstance was he obliged to... nor did he need to... he could have just held the Redskins to the original deal, and been even a richer man. Instead, he did what was right for the FRANCHISE and in good faith came up with a deal that was amicable for both parties.

What an ass eh?

I get that he has said some disparaging things since then, I get that he has failed on the field since then, I get that he has never really lived up to the colossal hype that preceded him...

... so the guy OBVIOUSLY deserves to get hurt on a motorcycle.



Personally - I wish lavar all the best and a speedy recovery.


And if what goes around truly comes back all the way around, I don't see the Redskins being on the winning end of too many cosmic forces.

Oh, I can't agree that he's a bad person. But he's a fool. This accident doesn't prove that all on it's own, but it's part of a pattern.

So what really happened? Was he doing wheelies? Was he speeding? Did he really hit a patch of gravel?

Hitting a patch of gravel at 30mph will cause you to low side, heck it could happen in a 10mph turn if you're not careful.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:So what really happened? Was he doing wheelies? Was he speeding? Did he really hit a patch of gravel?

Hitting a patch of gravel at 30mph will cause you to low side, heck it could happen in a 10mph turn if you're not careful.

I've got two brothers who ride, and just based on their experiences and that of their riding friends, I have a hard time believing LA was charged following the accident for just riding along in a normal fashion. I've never heard of a rider getting charged for an accident which did not involve speeding, stunts, racing, etc. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I'm guessing LA was doing something he probably shouldn't have been doing.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:So what really happened? Was he doing wheelies? Was he speeding? Did he really hit a patch of gravel?

Hitting a patch of gravel at 30mph will cause you to low side, heck it could happen in a 10mph turn if you're not careful.

I've got two brothers who ride, and just based on their experiences and that of their riding friends, I have a hard time believing LA was charged following the accident for just riding along in a normal fashion. I've never heard of a rider getting charged for an accident which did not involve speeding, stunts, racing, etc. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I'm guessing LA was doing something he probably shouldn't have been doing.

Well thats why I asked all the questions. I was moreso defending him cus people made it sound like he was being wreckless when he MAY not have been. I was just trying to impart that hitting gravel even at low speeds will cause you to slide.

For what it's worth, one of the early TV news stations mentioned excessive speed.

BossHog wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

Brilliant contribution.

He deserves it.

The guy re-negotiated his contract and saved the Redskins millions and millions of dollars... under NO circumstance was he obliged to... nor did he need to... he could have just held the Redskins to the original deal, and been even a richer man. Instead, he did what was right for the FRANCHISE and in good faith came up with a deal that was amicable for both parties.

What an ass eh?

I get that he has said some disparaging things since then, I get that he has failed on the field since then, I get that he has never really lived up to the colossal hype that preceded him...

... so the guy OBVIOUSLY deserves to get hurt on a motorcycle.



Personally - I wish lavar all the best and a speedy recovery.


And if what goes around truly comes back all the way around, I don't see the Redskins being on the winning end of too many cosmic forces.

I'm not saying that he deserves this at all, but what I'm saying is that bad things eventually happen to bad people. Lavar took the Redskins to court over 6.5 million dollars and then also called a man that was paying him millions of dollars a liar and the devil. Say what you want but tell me how many employers would keep their employess if they were paying them millions of dollars and then lied and came out and said that they weren't paid 6.5 million and then called his boss a liar and the devil. Lavar and his agent were stupid they didn't read the contract and then signed it. Lavar did nothing for the Redskins but cause a headache for Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. If he wasn't a problem then why did Joe Gibbs get rid of him?

jeremyroyce wrote:

BossHog wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

Brilliant contribution.

He deserves it.

The guy re-negotiated his contract and saved the Redskins millions and millions of dollars... under NO circumstance was he obliged to... nor did he need to... he could have just held the Redskins to the original deal, and been even a richer man. Instead, he did what was right for the FRANCHISE and in good faith came up with a deal that was amicable for both parties.

What an ass eh?

I get that he has said some disparaging things since then, I get that he has failed on the field since then, I get that he has never really lived up to the colossal hype that preceded him...

... so the guy OBVIOUSLY deserves to get hurt on a motorcycle.



Personally - I wish lavar all the best and a speedy recovery.


And if what goes around truly comes back all the way around, I don't see the Redskins being on the winning end of too many cosmic forces.

I'm not saying that he deserves this at all, but what I'm saying is that bad things eventually happen to bad people. Lavar took the Redskins to court over 6.5 million dollars and then also called a man that was paying him millions of dollars a liar and the devil. Say what you want but tell me how many employers would keep their employess if they were paying them millions of dollars and then lied and came out and said that they weren't paid 6.5 million and then called his boss a liar and the devil. Lavar and his agent were stupid they didn't read the contract and then signed it. Lavar did nothing for the Redskins but cause a headache for Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. If he wasn't a problem then why did Joe Gibbs get rid of him?

yea, that clears it up. I guess champ bailey is due a car accident over his departure, and laveranues coles has a thing or two coming his way for the comments he made when he was leaving. great logic. you should write a book.

hailskins666 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

BossHog wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:This is what happens to bad people. I feel bad that LaVar was hurt in a accident but all the crap that he put our franchise through, I say that what goes around comes around

Brilliant contribution.

He deserves it.

The guy re-negotiated his contract and saved the Redskins millions and millions of dollars... under NO circumstance was he obliged to... nor did he need to... he could have just held the Redskins to the original deal, and been even a richer man. Instead, he did what was right for the FRANCHISE and in good faith came up with a deal that was amicable for both parties.

Look like I'm sorry

What an ass eh?

I get that he has said some disparaging things since then, I get that he has failed on the field since then, I get that he has never really lived up to the colossal hype that preceded him...

... so the guy OBVIOUSLY deserves to get hurt on a motorcycle.



Personally - I wish lavar all the best and a speedy recovery.


And if what goes around truly comes back all the way around, I don't see the Redskins being on the winning end of too many cosmic forces.

I'm not saying that he deserves this at all, but what I'm saying is that bad things eventually happen to bad people. Lavar took the Redskins to court over 6.5 million dollars and then also called a man that was paying him millions of dollars a liar and the devil. Say what you want but tell me how many employers would keep their employess if they were paying them millions of dollars and then lied and came out and said that they weren't paid 6.5 million and then called his boss a liar and the devil. Lavar and his agent were stupid they didn't read the contract and then signed it. Lavar did nothing for the Redskins but cause a headache for Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. If he wasn't a problem then why did Joe Gibbs get rid of him?

yea, that clears it up. I guess champ bailey is due a car accident over his departure, and laveranues coles has a thing or two coming his way for the comments he made when he was leaving. great logic. you should write a book.

I'm not here to write a book nor do I want to but from what I learned from experience you reap what you sow. and I don't want to have arguments here I just stated a opinion.

jeremyroyce wrote:I'm not saying that he deserves this at all, but what I'm saying is that bad things eventually happen to bad people. Lavar took the Redskins to court over 6.5 million dollars and then also called a man that was paying him millions of dollars a liar and the devil.

Yeah, he took them to court because the Redskins took a 6.5M clause out of the contrat without telling him... you know... $6.5M more dollars that the Redskins had agreed to in good faith with Lavar and his agent...

Say what you want but tell me how many employers would keep their employess if they were paying them millions of dollars and then lied and came out and said that they weren't paid 6.5 million and then called his boss a liar and the devil.

I think you've got your facts wrong personally. One could easily ask the question, how on earth could someone work for an employer that willingly, knowingly, and sneakily screwed you out of 6.5M dollars?

Lavar and his agent were stupid they didn't read the contract and then signed it.

Okay, but if you're saying they should have read the contract, then surely you concede that obviously the Redskins CHANGED something in the agreed to contract that warranted 'reading the contract' again?

Lavar did nothing for the Redskins but cause a headache for Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. If he wasn't a problem then why did Joe Gibbs get rid of him?

I guess it's just easier to either ignore, or not remember that before JG returned, Lavar was a sole bright spot for quite some time.


Business is business, and Lavar and the Redskins definitely had some tough business dealings in the end...

... but under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever does that make me personally wish any ill on the guy in a motorcycle accident.

And if you're so concerned about things like 'what goes around comes around' and 'reaping what you sow', then maybe you should consider the effects that just WISHING ill on someone could bring to your own karma.

BossHog wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:I'm not saying that he deserves this at all, but what I'm saying is that bad things eventually happen to bad people. Lavar took the Redskins to court over 6.5 million dollars and then also called a man that was paying him millions of dollars a liar and the devil.

Yeah, he took them to court because the Redskins took a 6.5M clause out of the contrat without telling him... you know... $6.5M more dollars that the Redskins had agreed to in good faith with Lavar and his agent...

Say what you want but tell me how many employers would keep their employess if they were paying them millions of dollars and then lied and came out and said that they weren't paid 6.5 million and then called his boss a liar and the devil.

I think you've got your facts wrong personally. One could easily ask the question, how on earth could someone work for an employer that willingly, knowingly, and sneakily screwed you out of 6.5M dollars?

Lavar and his agent were stupid they didn't read the contract and then signed it.

Okay, but if you're saying they should have read the contract, then surely you concede that obviously the Redskins CHANGED something in the agreed to contract that warranted 'reading the contract' again?

Lavar did nothing for the Redskins but cause a headache for Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. If he wasn't a problem then why did Joe Gibbs get rid of him?

I guess it's just easier to either ignore, or not remember that before JG returned, Lavar was a sole bright spot for quite some time.


Business is business, and Lavar and the Redskins definitely had some tough business dealings in the end...

... but under absolutely no circumstances whatsoever does that make me personally wish any ill on the guy in a motorcycle accident.

And if you're so concerned about things like 'what goes around comes around' and 'reaping what you sow', then maybe you should consider the effects that just WISHING ill on someone could bring to your own karma.

I never wished any ill on Lavar. I never said that I was happy he got hurt. I even said that I felt bad for him because he was seriously hurt. So please don't put words in my mouth. I would never wish bad upon people but I was just stating an opinion that when you do bad things eventually it catches up to you. The Redskins never did anything wrong in this situation with Lavar otherwise he would have won this case. Secondly when you are getting paid miliions of dollars, and let me say that Daniel Snyder is not going to change anybodys contract, he pays people fairly and sometimes he overspends to get what he wants. LaVar was very ungrateful. And I'm sorry if what I'm saying is offensive, but I just stated a opinion and I'm not here to have arguements. And last the Redskins did not screw anybody in this at all in fact there was a clause in the contract that even Lavar Agent and Lavar did not read and they even admitted it, but still signed the contract and then cried about the contract accusing the Redskins of stealing. Whose fault is that. Whenever you have a contract presented to you its your job to READ IT, then you SIGN IT. If there is something wrong with the contract when its presented then you bring it up, and you don't sign it. but they never did until the contract was signed. Its not the Redskins fault it was Lavar and his agent.

The whole wishing ill on someone is sickening. LaVar get better, and go be a dad. That's the most important thing he has left to look forward to, no matter wherever his career takes him (back on the field or to TV).

In any case:

BossHog wrote:Okay, but if you're saying they should have read the contract, then surely you concede that obviously the Redskins CHANGED something in the agreed to contract that warranted 'reading the contract' again?

As an attorney, I can tell you that nothing is final until you read the contract and sign it. The written document is 99.99% the final agreement. If there was supposed to be a 6.5 mill bonus in there, then the agent should have reviewed the financial terms carefully. That's what he's paid for.

Never, ever, sign a piece of paper without reading what's in it. You've just agreed at that point you had read to, and agreed to, whatever is in that document. That's basic first year contract law, and any half competant contract negotiator (note I didn't say attorney, because plenty of people negotiate contracts who aren't attorneys) would know that.

LaVar bears a lesser responsibility simply because he really should be reading his multi million dollar contract carefully, not just relying on his agent. Who as we saw was completely negligent in his duty.

Just out of curiosity, would Arrington have been able to sue his agent for the loss?