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i guess it shows how much espn controls the public opinion of athletes and it is sad.

I don't need ESPN to tell me that Adam Jones is a pathetic thug. Here's to hoping the only snaps in his future are the sound of closing hand cuffs.

There is a man in LV who will never walk again thanks to this punk and his entourage of sociopaths.

blchizzleke wrote:pac man hasnt ever been convicted of anything i dont know why people hate him so much. i guess it shows how much espn controls the public opinion of athletes and it is sad. i know he probably was guilty of all eleven things or however many it is up to now he was arrested for, but there were still no convictions. it kinda reminds me of the barry bonds situation or the duke lacrosse coach. the duke lacrosse coach was fired over a case that was thrown out of court, it's ridiculous how people are convicted in the court of public opinion so quickly now. i also hope tank can find another team, what happened to him is particularly disturbing.

It is a fact that Pac man slapped a woman and bit a grown man. That alone proves that he is a clown.

His "crew" has been involved in two shootouts, one of which left a man paralyzed.

He got pulled over for driving on bad tags that weren't even on the correct car.

He's a clown.

blchizzleke wrote:pac man hasnt ever been convicted of anything i dont know why people hate him so much.

With the precedent established by Irving, he is a perfect candidate for the HOF. First year of eligibility in the first ballot.

I agree with you. He is the victim of unfair persecution and character assassination. Whatever wrong is the result of the difficult neighbourhood environment in which he grew up. He is not really responsible for his choices and actions. It is just people who envy him that are after him because of his success and his ethnic background. He just wants to have fun, that's all, at least as long as the legal process does not catch up with him.

The legal system has nothing to do with Goodell's decision - any clown that "hurts" the NFL image were warned that they could be suspended and this guy and Johnson IMO should be made examples of and Goodell is doing it - I hope Johnson does not get an opportunity to play another game in the NFL - anyone who taints the image in the future deserves to be made an example of - there are a lot of players who are great character guys who will get an oppportunity if anyone thinks they are able to behave like these 2 idiots.

Behaving like that after telling everyone that you were going to be a "model citizen" is an indication that you will be a liability to both your team and the NFL.

I certainly will not miss them - see ya!

blchizzleke wrote:pac man hasnt ever been convicted of anything i dont know why people hate him so much.

The fact that he hasn't been convicted means that he won't get put in jail, sure. But people who are acting with class and are keeping a respectable life don't get in as much trouble as Pacman has. Look at his friends. Look at where he is at 3 in the morning. Look what happens to other people when he and his crew get in a scuffle.

I don't care if he hasn't been convicted, that doesn't make him any less of a thug and a loser in life. He may have money and a nice house right now, but even that will go away if he doesn't straighten out.

its sad when people say 'i dont care what he has been convicted of, hes still a clown'....that is why we have people like a man in Georgia this week who are being sentenced to death penalties yearly who are innocent or at least overwhelming evidence suggests it....im not saying that pacman is innocent hes probably done a lot of stupid stuff, but to have your source of income stripped from you strictly on accusations is bull and i think that if anyone here lost there job because of simply an accusation they would want to go to court to fight it......secondly he is not responsible for his friends...we've all had friends that have messed up and that doesnt make us at fault...what his 'posse' does is their own decision...even if pacman told one to pull the trigger on someone, it is still their decision when it comes down to it

secondly he is not responsible for his friends...

Nahhh.... It's his posse. He's only their sugar daddy... he's just footing the bill for the booze, the drugs, the chicks, the limo, the hotel... AND, he won't finger the shooter. He bears NO responsibility.[/dripping sarcasm]

Pathetic.

blchizzleke wrote:...even if pacman told one to pull the trigger on someone, it is still their decision when it comes down to it

Man, are you familiar with the legal system ... at all???

This is called the intellectual authorship of a murder. This same crime has landed very deservedly scores of Godfathers and drug-cartel mafia members in jail and worse all over the world. This crime is often more penalised than the actual act of pulling the trigger.

I should have added a HUGE sarcasm note to my last post like CT did. I thought it would be evident, maybe not to all.

NFL Network often brings up this Professor from Standford, a sports sociologist, who is an adviser to the 49ers. Basically, he said that it is nearly impossible to eradicate the vices and criminal associations acquired through an early youth.

Pacman will not change because he does not know that he needs to change himself and his crowd of thugs.

I for one am glad that the NFL has their own conduct policy - everyone (coaches and players) have been told that the NFL shield is of paramount importance to the NFL - ANYONE that behaves in a manner that infringes on that will be dealt with - now, if someone associated with the NFL thinks that they can have a couple of drinks and drive home and they get into an accident OR get pulled over for operating a car in a bad way - they will be "punished" by the NFL - this is not a "legal" situation - This is the NFL protecting their image. That is the way it has been spelled out to everyone and ANYONE who misunderstands should get a severe penalty.

IF Michael Vick lied to Goodell (when he had that meeting around the time of the draft) and the NFL can find anything in this indictment to show that he lied I hope they throw the book at him too - you cannot embarrass the NFL - end of story!

THis is how it is in the NFL - get with it or find another job!

i am aware some of my opinions go against the legal system
but i think we all know the legal system isnt perfect and this is how i think it should be dealt with not necessarily how it is dealt with

and plus lets just wait until he is convicted something that has yet to happen, same way with michael vick, have we forgotten the duke and tank johnson case already?

Poor Adam...

Poor Michael...

so misunderstood.

These are 3 separate cases and in my opinion the NFL is on the right track in trying to protect their image and Goodell has done a good job so far of attempting to bring a little more control to some of these athletes and coaches who have been forcing the issue in how they live and behave.

Jones did not appeal his suspension and I think that is because he knew that his appeal would be denied. This because although he had indicated he was going to behave better he obviously had broken that promise and everyone knew.

Johnson also pledged to be a better example and yet he also contiinued to live in a manner that caused some unwanted attention from the authorities.

These athletes need to understand that they have an obligation to the NFL to never put themselves in a situation that can result in being arrested or pulled over. NEVER - if you want to behave in that manner, that's fine, but you are choosing a lifestyle that means you do not want to play in the NFL. Your choice.

Now Vick! Everyone is innocent until proven guilty! I agree with this sentiment but I am having a difficult time with the fact that the feds never, EVER, indict you unless the evidence is particularly strong. 99% of the cases involved with a federal indictment result in conviction.

If Vick lied to Goodell (when they discussed this issue last March, I believe) he should be suspended immediately for that.

If Blank asks Vick if any part of this indictment is true and Vick says yes! then Blank needs to let Vick have the time off to handle this case and not be a distraction.

IF any of the guys indicted are found guilty then I hope they "enjoy" similar treatment to what they allegedly gave those dogs, but I hope that that treatment lasts a long, long time.

The NFL might have shiny new standards, but professional wrestling's remain just low enough! According to PWInsider.com, Spike TV's Total Nonstop Action Wrestling has signed Pacman to a professional wrestling deal. Color me intrigued.

Did anyone watch him on the TNA wrestling ppv last night? I can't bring myself to watch it, much less pay to see it. I was just intrigued by him being there.

blchizzleke wrote:its sad when people say 'i dont care what he has been convicted of, hes still a clown'....that is why we have people like a man in Georgia this week who are being sentenced to death penalties yearly who are innocent or at least overwhelming evidence suggests it....

You're still missing my point, because you're assuming that when I say "he's still a thug" I mean something like "I wouldn't mind seeing him go to jail."

I take violent behavior very seriously, and I would never advocate having the law come down unjustly on anyone ever, no matter how much I dislike them personally. In my view, Pacman shouldn't even go to prison for telling someone to fire a gun, unless he was threatening them to do so by physical violence (yes, RiC, I'm familiar with how the legal system works in practice, and that this is a departure from it).

The fact that I can't criticize Pacman without being accused of trying to 'convict' an innocent person is proof of how twisted our society is, where everyone assumes that you want to force your personal opinions onto others with physical violence and not only through persuasion. I call Pacman a thug because he is one, and whether or not I want him in a prison cell has little to do with it. But say that you think he's a disgrace and everyone jumps on you because the law hasn't found him "guilty."

As far as I'm concerned, and once again this is just my view, Pacman can spend all day in clubs or doing drugs or getting prostitutes or whatever it is that he wants which doesn't use violence against others or their property, and I'll never ask an authority to put him in prison for it. (And, yes, this is a departure from popular opinion). But I still think that it's important in life to identify what's good and moral and what's immoral. . .and Pacman has definitely identified himself with the latter.

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blchizzleke wrote:its sad when people say 'i dont care what he has been convicted of, hes still a clown'....that is why we have people like a man in Georgia this week who are being sentenced to death penalties yearly who are innocent or at least overwhelming evidence suggests it....

You're still missing my point, because you're assuming that when I say "he's still a thug" I mean something like "I wouldn't mind seeing him go to jail."

I take violent behavior very seriously, and I would never advocate having the law come down unjustly on anyone ever, no matter how much I dislike them personally. In my view, Pacman shouldn't even go to prison for telling someone to fire a gun, unless he was threatening them to do so by physical violence (yes, RiC, I'm familiar with how the legal system works in practice, and that this is a departure from it).

The fact that I can't criticize Pacman without being accused of trying to 'convict' an innocent person is proof of how twisted our society is, where everyone assumes that you want to force your personal opinions onto others with physical violence and not only through persuasion. I call Pacman a thug because he is one, and whether or not I want him in a prison cell has little to do with it. But say that you think he's a disgrace and everyone jumps on you because the law hasn't found him "guilty."

As far as I'm concerned, and once again this is just my view, Pacman can spend all day in clubs or doing drugs or getting prostitutes or whatever it is that he wants which doesn't use violence against others or their property, and I'll never ask an authority to put him in prison for it. (And, yes, this is a departure from popular opinion). But I still think that it's important in life to identify what's good and moral and what's immoral. . .and Pacman has definitely identified himself with the latter.

Jones needs to sit down and talk to Javon Walker and hear what he has to say and how the death of D. Williams in his arms has altered his life. Jones has already had a helping hand in ruining someones life (bouncer left paralyzed) already...just so he can make it rain on some strippers.


It'd be funny if the commish had the authority to make these guys work a 9-5 like the rest of us during their suspensions. Just to remind them what regular life is like and how what they have is privilege and isn't a right.