The Most Overrated and Underrated Players in the NFL

[JansenFan]

Portis' job in this offense isn't to get 5.5 per carry, its to pound the rock 30 times a game. People talk about this stat or that stat, but what it all boils down to is that Clinton Portis has more yards in a single season as a Redskins than any other Redskin running back in history. I don't understand how people can be talking about him as if he's been unsuccessful as a Redskin. He doesn't put up stats like those he put up as a Bronco because he's not a Bronco. He puts up stats like a Redskin because that's what he's been asked to do.

Last year we went to more of a big play offense, but he was hurt all year so the stats aren't very useful. Let's give him an opportunity to run in this offense while healthy and then see what we think.

[steve09ru]

I get what that writer is getting at with his arguement against Portis but of course Portis isnt going to maintain a 5.5 ypc average for his career no running back ever has (correct me if im wrong) and the for the fact that his touchdowns went down well that is the offense he is playing in..Which im well aware of is the point the writer is making by saying in Denver they took him from 'good' to 'great' but I really dont think thats the case.. Portis has come here and fit what we wanted him to do.. He is still a difference maker on the field.. with his presence on the field it makes us a better team.. to me that makes you one of the top running backs in this league.. up until last year when he was injured.. his lowest rushing total was 1315..and If im not mistaken he was the 5th fastest player in NFL HISTORY to reach 5,000 career rushing yards.. his career ypc is still a very good 4.7 and at age 25 he is already halfway to 100 career rushing touchdowns with 52.. and 100 is the bench mark for great running backs.. so to say he is just trying to hang on to be a top 10 running back in this league baffles me.. there are only a handful of running backs I'd want over Portis..

someone please list off 10 backs better then Portis for me ..

He's definitely top 10...top 5...i have a hard time on the one...

LT, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Brian Westbrook, Rudi Johnson and Edgerrin are top 10...i don't know about above Portis though.

I would put Portis around 6-8 though

[DEHog]

Portis' job in this offense isn't to get 5.5 per carry, its to pound the rock 30 times a game. People talk about this stat or that stat, but what it all boils down to is that Clinton Portis has more yards in a single season as a Redskins than any other Redskin running back in history. I don't understand how people can be talking about him as if he's been unsuccessful as a Redskin. He doesn't put up stats like those he put up as a Bronco because he's not a Bronco. He puts up stats like a Redskin because that's what he's been asked to do.

Last year we went to more of a big play offense, but he was hurt all year so the stats aren't very useful. Let's give him an opportunity to run in this offense while healthy and then see what we think.

I agree with you on what the Skins are asking him to do...I just don't see him and a "pund the rock" kind of back.

[everydayAskinsday]

I get what that writer is getting at with his arguement against Portis but of course Portis isnt going to maintain a 5.5 ypc average for his career no running back ever has (correct me if im wrong) and the for the fact that his touchdowns went down well that is the offense he is playing in..Which im well aware of is the point the writer is making by saying in Denver they took him from 'good' to 'great' but I really dont think thats the case.. Portis has come here and fit what we wanted him to do.. He is still a difference maker on the field.. with his presence on the field it makes us a better team.. to me that makes you one of the top running backs in this league.. up until last year when he was injured.. his lowest rushing total was 1315..and If im not mistaken he was the 5th fastest player in NFL HISTORY to reach 5,000 career rushing yards.. his career ypc is still a very good 4.7 and at age 25 he is already halfway to 100 career rushing touchdowns with 52.. and 100 is the bench mark for great running backs.. so to say he is just trying to hang on to be a top 10 running back in this league baffles me.. there are only a handful of running backs I'd want over Portis..

someone please list off 10 backs better then Portis for me ..

He's definitely top 10...top 5...i have a hard time on the one...

LT, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Brian Westbrook, Rudi Johnson and Edgerrin are top 10...i don't know about above Portis though.

I would put Portis around 6-8 though

1st off theres no way you can put Gore over Portis YET.. hes only done it one year but I do think he can continue it.. and to say Rudi Johnson? thats a bit of a strech to me.. hes a nice player but not above Portis IMO .. but I dont know if you were ordering them when you listed them so I might be jumping to conclusions

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Let's give him an opportunity to run in this offense while healthy and then see what we think.

His health looks like it might be an issue (knee problem), but let's pray that he's 100% when the season rolls around.

[brad7686]

what i want to know is where were all of you that support the "portis is not god" argument when i was saying the exact same things? I thought i was going to get banished from the board, like it was sacrilege or something.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Portis' job in this offense isn't to get 5.5 per carry, its to pound the rock 30 times a game. People talk about this stat or that stat, but what it all boils down to is that Clinton Portis has more yards in a single season as a Redskins than any other Redskin running back in history. I don't understand how people can be talking about him as if he's been unsuccessful as a Redskin. He doesn't put up stats like those he put up as a Bronco because he's not a Bronco. He puts up stats like a Redskin because that's what he's been asked to do.

Last year we went to more of a big play offense, but he was hurt all year so the stats aren't very useful. Let's give him an opportunity to run in this offense while healthy and then see what we think.

You're wasting your breath, they don't want to comprehend that.

[Gibbs4Life]

On the first page of this thread someone said The Redskins have stunk for 15 years... not true, in Gibbs second year if we would have played Jason Campbell in Seattle instead of that no talent we trotted out there I think we might have scored more than 10 points and probably would've won the game. The only real mistakes Gibbs has made this time around is a couple small ones with AA, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce and the one big one which by itself cost us a championship and that was Mark Brunell. We would have been better off with Jeff George at least he could threaten downfield. Joe's loyalty to MB even shocked me and I'm G4L, but eventually last year he saw the light and gave it to Jason who I think went 2-3. This year I believe we will see more of a Joe Gibbs type team.

[SkinsFreak]

Portis' job in this offense isn't to get 5.5 per carry, its to pound the rock 30 times a game. People talk about this stat or that stat, but what it all boils down to is that Clinton Portis has more yards in a single season as a Redskins than any other Redskin running back in history. I don't understand how people can be talking about him as if he's been unsuccessful as a Redskin. He doesn't put up stats like those he put up as a Bronco because he's not a Bronco. He puts up stats like a Redskin because that's what he's been asked to do.

Last year we went to more of a big play offense, but he was hurt all year so the stats aren't very useful. Let's give him an opportunity to run in this offense while healthy and then see what we think.

I agree with you on what the Skins are asking him to do...I just don't see him and a "pund the rock" kind of back.

Saunders has brought out the zone blocking schemes and we saw Betts do very well with it in the second half of last season. The o-line also said they liked that style as well. Well... this is exactly the style of rushing attack Portis did so well with in Denver.

I'm sure they'll still pound it with Betts, Rock and even Sellers. But I'm also sure Saunders will give Portis every chance to do what he does best, and that is running behind the zone blocking. Portis is going to have a big year. $.02

[steve09ru]

On the first page of this thread someone said The Redskins have stunk for 15 years... not true, in Gibbs second year if we would have played Jason Campbell in Seattle instead of that no talent we trotted out there I think we might have scored more than 10 points and probably would've won the game. The only real mistakes Gibbs has made this time around is a couple small ones with AA, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce and the one big one which by itself cost us a championship and that was Mark Brunell. We would have been better off with Jeff George at least he could threaten downfield. Joe's loyalty to MB even shocked me and I'm G4L, but eventually last year he saw the light and gave it to Jason who I think went 2-3. This year I believe we will see more of a Joe Gibbs type team.

he went 2-5...we saw a joe gibbs type team the whole last bit of the season...running it down their throats...it worked...but if the defense doesn't show up then, well, the team is going to stay at the bottom of the pack and continue to be the laughing stock of football.

also, there are not many good calls that are made inside of the redzone to allow us to score, where are the screen passes to betts/sellers, where's running the ball with sellers? things just haven't been there this time around with gibbs...

i do blame brunell somewhat, but he was getting rushed a lot (and YES I AM GLAD HE GOT BENCHED). he would take his drop back and that would set up the screen, which was ran way to much...he didn't have too bad of a deep ball a few years ago... but it seems that the coaching staff went away from it and didn't even allow him the plays to try to throw downfield

but his time is done and let's see what JC can bring to the table with a healthy offense and a defense that will allow the offense on the field

HAIL!!

[DEHog]

On the first page of this thread someone said The Redskins have stunk for 15 years... not true, in Gibbs second year if we would have played Jason Campbell in Seattle instead of that no talent we trotted out there I think we might have scored more than 10 points and probably would've won the game. The only real mistakes Gibbs has made this time around is a couple small ones with AA, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce and the one big one which by itself cost us a championship and that was Mark Brunell. We would have been better off with Jeff George at least he could threaten downfield. Joe's loyalty to MB even shocked me and I'm G4L, but eventually last year he saw the light and gave it to Jason who I think went 2-3. This year I believe we will see more of a Joe Gibbs type team.

Can you refresh my memory, who was under center when we won 5 straight to get into the playoff?

[admin]

what i want to know is where were all of you that support the "portis is not god" argument when i was saying the exact same things? I thought i was going to get banished from the board, like it was sacrilege or something.

Oh, the drama.

Banished?

Did a staff member ever tell you that you weren't allowed to express an opinion, or are you just grossly exaggerating a point to make yourself feel better?

When you want to speak only in superlatives, you're always going to find yourself at one extreme end of the viewpoint. That isn't because of anyone else's opinion, that's because of your own.

And as a staff, we certainly don't ban people for opinions, and go out of our way to make sure that everyone has the right to express their opinion provided it is within the framework of the rules.

I'd love to ban every stupid opinion.. I could wean a community of 4000+ down to less than 20.

[Fios]

I'd love to ban every stupid opinion.. I could wean a community of 4000+ down to less than 20.

Would I still be allowed to read the posts?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

what i want to know is where were all of you that support the "portis is not god" argument when i was saying the exact same things? I thought i was going to get banished from the board, like it was sacrilege or something.

Oh, the drama.

Banished?

Did a staff member ever tell you that you weren't allowed to express an opinion, or are you just grossly exaggerating a point to make yourself feel better?

When you want to speak only in superlatives, you're always going to find yourself at one extreme end of the viewpoint. That isn't because of anyone else's opinion, that's because of your own.

And as a staff, we certainly don't ban people for opinions, and go out of our way to make sure that everyone has the right to express their opinion provided it is within the framework of the rules.

I'd love to ban every stupid opinion.. I could wean a community of 4000+ down to less than 20.

Oh the drama.

[Fios]

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I think I see Elvis in that popcorn, and The King thinks Clinton and Santana are NOT overrated.

[BnGhog]

Can you refresh my memory, who was under center when we won 5 straight to get into the playoff?

If I remember correctly it wouldn't have mattered if Buggs bunny was under center with the D we had.

[brad7686]

what i want to know is where were all of you that support the "portis is not god" argument when i was saying the exact same things? I thought i was going to get banished from the board, like it was sacrilege or something.

Oh, the drama.

Banished?

Did a staff member ever tell you that you weren't allowed to express an opinion, or are you just grossly exaggerating a point to make yourself feel better?

When you want to speak only in superlatives, you're always going to find yourself at one extreme end of the viewpoint. That isn't because of anyone else's opinion, that's because of your own.

And as a staff, we certainly don't ban people for opinions, and go out of our way to make sure that everyone has the right to express their opinion provided it is within the framework of the rules.

I'd love to ban every stupid opinion.. I could wean a community of 4000+ down to less than 20.

I wasn't trying to get you up in arms , I didn't literally mean banished from the board, It had nothing to do with administrators or anything. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[welch]

brad asked

what i want to know is where were all of you that support the "portis is not [a] god" argument when i was saying the exact same things?

{slight correction to remind people that we are thought to be comparing Portis to Apollo...not to The Almighty}

When people were saying that Portis is not a god, or the like, I was thinking, and maybe saying, that the only god-like RB ever in Redskin history was Larry Brown. Number 43, who should never be forgotten.

Portis is the closest to Brown in skills. He has a quick takeoff. He hits. He blocks. He catches passes. Consider Portis throwing himself into rushers. Consider the amazing catch Portis made in 2005 landing head-first, elbows down, alertly getting both elbows in-bounds.

(OK, I haven't forgotten Number 44, who was a completely diffferent type of runner, and, in the Gibbs-Henning offense, was never expected to catch the ball. That was for Joe Washington...different discussion).

No, Portis is not a god, but there is not a thing wrong with him.

Statstics tell nothing. For instance, if it was 1972 and I wanted to win a game (isn't that why they play?), I'd want Larry Brown rather than OJ Simpson. People looked at the stats and glorified Simpson. Redskin fans looked at the game, and knew that Brown deserved the glory and contributed to the wins.

On Portis against Betts: why imagine a competition.

Can't we be delighted to have them both? And, even more, to have a coach who works out blocking schemes that allow both to produce?

[ChocolateMilk]

clinton portis is far from being over rated.. just because he was injured last year and we had a bad year people feel the need to rip him apart instead of the real problem.. (a certain #8) and santana moss had 1 great year and people realized they need to cover his ass. and our other recievers didnt do too well so all defenses had to do is double team moss and there goes our passing game

[ChocolateMilk]

a certain number eight i meant to say...

[John Manfreda]

I agree about what he said about CP good Rb, not great and I really agree with what he said about Mcnabb (he is the definition of overrated).

[Redskin in Canada]

I started reading the thread and actually continued to the next page, and the next looking for any name other than Clinton Portis and the silly debate as to whether ...

Oh well, enough of this nonsense.

The most overrated player in the NFL is IMHO:

ELI MANNING.

The most underrated player in the NFL in recent years was IMHO:

RICH GANNON.

He was the key to Oakland's offensive performance, which has been abysmal after his injury and further retirement.