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Chris Luva Luva wrote:I don't think the F/O is out of the bush yet. They're definitely making an effort to right the ship but there are things that still need to be done.

... amen brother ..... holding his breath




I am very hopeful that these guys are going to show that they have learned from both their own and from mistakes made by others here ... it's a little like the guy who has fallen off the 50th floor, and as he passes the 25th floor he says "so far, so good...."

In my opinion JLac is a repeater and not a reporter - he just repeats the same hater diatribe over and over. He adds little to Skins coverage and is routinely scooped by other reporters. I love the Skins - and I want honest, thoughtful coverage and opinion without a predetermined bias pro or con. To me, JLac is only as note worthy as a homer reporting on the Skins official site. He's the anti-homer. Also, his Blog is not personal, it's part of the official Washington Post website, so it's coming from the Post, not just JLac - it's no wonder the Skins have a beef with the Post when they're publishing that kind of unhinged, biased editorial critique.

And AA flat out had to go. If for no other reason than he was the source for the Tom Friend ESPN article (not to mention he has no game), which was brilliant and a great example of journalism, even if it was really unflattering to the Skins. Friends piece didn't harp on the past, it ripped back the curtain and exposed the funny farm inside Redskins' Park for better or worse. And Friends piece lead to changes - AA gone, Lindsay gone, and hopefully some restructuring of the defensive chain of command (we'll never know about that though unless JLac actually starts reporting instead of simply repeating).

From where I sit, this has been the best Redskins offseason in recent memory. I can't wait until draft day to see what they end up doing! Hail to the Redskins!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I still haven't had time to read this article thoroughly but I do agree with one point that he made. I agree that we shouldn't be in these situations in the 1st place. It's impossible to avoid this crap sometimes but this F/O shouldn't be designated hero's for digging themselves out of self-made graves...

They weren't in a grave, digging out of a hole would have been getting rid of a guy that you wanted to keep but needed the cap space. Here it was getting something for a guy that didn't fit while having the cap space to absorb the move. It's like the Coles move everyone yelled about the big cap hit yet the Skins had enough money to bring in Moss and pay him basically what Coles was getting. The team wasn't in a bind in either situation. Lavar kind of had them over a barrel but again they were smart enough to get someone else to cover the unpaid bonuses so the current cap doesn't change and their plans can remain the same. True they paid AA half a mil on the way out but keeping him would have cost 10 times that, the Bears pick up the rest and LA gave money back.

A $4m cap hit yet the have the money they'll need for this years draft class and they are still bringing in free agents. Push come to shove cutting Wynn or Daneils would free up another $2.5m

How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Champ, Arrington, AA, Coles. I just don't see the same amount of players leaving other teams in such an uproar. When do we stand back and ask if the issues are always because of the players?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Champ, Arrington, AA, Coles. I just don't see the same amount of players leaving other teams in such an uproar. When do we stand back and ask if the issues are always because of the players?

You don't follow other teams as closely as you do this one

Fios wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Champ, Arrington, AA, Coles. I just don't see the same amount of players leaving other teams in such an uproar. When do we stand back and ask if the issues are always because of the players?

You don't follow other teams as closely as you do this one

That is 100% true and thats why I asked because I don't mind being proven wrong. I've been wrong a lot.

But our situations aren't unique but the frequency is what alarms me.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Champ,

Champ was on his way out because he didn't like the having a new D co-ord. every year, can't blame him for that. We were luck to get anything for him. He wasn't going to re-sign regardless of what "the Danny" would have thrown at him.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Arrington,

Arrington had problems with his knees, the doctors, his position coach, his contract and who knows what else. In the end he paid to get out of town, after years of "kicking it" with "the Danny".

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? AA,

What has happened to Adam is the same thing that could have happened to BLloyd, AC or ARE (the contracts gave the team a out after 1 year if things didn't work out) They could have axed two of the 4 and still have been able to operate in the off-season. This didn't just happen, this is not giving a gut another $5m that really didn't earn the the first $5m

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? Coles.

Coles ran his mouth about Gibbs playcalling, then he got shipped out. He thought his contract made it impossible to happen but he was wrong.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How is it that we are consistently in these situations? I just don't see the same amount of players leaving other teams in such an uproar. When do we stand back and ask if the issues are always because of the players?

The Brown whole D-line played for Denver (not one or two leaving here or there) they all headed to Mile High in the same off-season. Green Bay lost both starting guards and the starting WR the same year, Marcus Washington was the best LB in Indy and he walked.

Out of the guys you mentioned Bailey was the only real loss because had things been different I think he would have wanted to stay.
Hindshight is only 20/20 if you look at the whole picture.

Guys that were nobodies before they were Redskins are the ones that we should be able to ask how they got away.
Ryan Clark could made this list but he was only here 2 years so they had less than a year to get a new deal done... Dock and AP are a little different they had been here a while and they should have known what they had. Guys like ey and Taylor should be having their new deals worked on right now.

Out of the examples you mentioned those happened over a short period of time. Our situations are frequent and over the span of years.

It's not that I"m looking to blame the franchise for everything it just seems a bit weird that there's always turmoil. I guess like Fios said, if I paid attention to other teams I'd see the same thing.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Out of the examples you mentioned those happened over a short period of time. Our situations are frequent and over the span of years.

It's not that I"m looking to blame the franchise for everything it just seems a bit weird that there's always turmoil. I guess like Fios said, if I paid attention to other teams I'd see the same thing.

The examples showed how other teams have simular problems on a lager scale but go back to the Browns they bring in a new back every other year and pay big money most of the time. They go though recievers as quick as they go threw backs, most of those players don't be happy.

Every other year the Giants are signing a former Redskin LB because they aren't keeping the ones they have. I pretty sure this is why the call this time of the year the free agency signing period. It's the way the system is set up. Next will be the Draft then someone else will be let go that will upset half the fan base. Someone will be cut by another team and signed by a 3rd and that's gonna piss off the other half of the fan base because the Skins didn't sign that player.

New England lets a player walk every year year in and year out. Most leave with bad feelings but they always get praised for it in the end.

Let it go CLL! These guys might really surprise us - so far they have been very different than what you are consistently pointing out - some of us are actually getting our hopes up



I would also mention one other "mistake" by another team and that is by Seattle thinking that their RB was responsible for all those yards and letting Hutch go to the Vikings - I loved that because to me it was very obvious that the RB only got yards that were basically given to him by great blocking and not by any abilities of his own. They should have kept him for any sum - their running game was nothing without that great line last year. I do believe Hutchinson also helped the Vikings ground game just a little.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Out of the examples you mentioned those happened over a short period of time. Our situations are frequent and over the span of years.

It's not that I"m looking to blame the franchise for everything it just seems a bit weird that there's always turmoil. I guess like Fios said, if I paid attention to other teams I'd see the same thing.

Again, hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. I'll bet when the Skins first signed AA, JLC said in a blog that AA was a great signing. The media always has the luxury of looking at situations in a retrospective manner.

This year, the Bills lost McGahee, Fletcher and Clements. Last year, the Titans lost 13 players due to poor cap management. This kind of stuff happens quite frequently around the league, not just to the Skins.

But things seem to get amplified (by the media) when it happens to the Skins, and there is this bias against Snyder. I DO NOT believe for a minute, that he is in this thing just for the money and to rip off fans. He was extremely wealthy long before he purchased the Skins organization. He has numerous other companies that make him money. The prices Snyder charges are competative with other big market teams charge from around the league.

It is my opinion, because I've personally seen it, that some folks dislike Snyder simply because he is young and rich. My father taught me long ago, that "money can't buy you friends, but you will get a better class of enemy." Jealousy can make people say and do irrational and mean things.

Football is a game. That means you win some and you lose some. That goes for player acquisitions as well. No one has a crystal ball. Sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't. You yourself made the comparison of how Smoot was a better than average player for the Skins but sucked when he got to Minny, primarily due to the system. It happens, that's why it's called a "game". The true test is how you deal with things in the face of adversity, and I think the Skins have faired pretty well so far this offseason.

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SkinsJock wrote:I would also mention one other "mistake" by another team and that is by Seattle thinking that their RB was responsible for all those yards and letting Hutch go to the Vikings - I loved that because to me it was very obvious that the RB only got yards that were basically given to him by great blocking and not by any abilities of his own. They should have kept him for any sum - their running game was nothing without that great line last year. I do believe Hutchinson also helped the Vikings ground game just a little.

This is a very good example of how free agency works. Seattle didn't think it was all just the RB. They tried to re-sign Hutch during the season but because the agents do the talking the player really may not know how the team feels (other than what the agent tells him). Like the Redskins the Hawks waited too long to start the talks... Unlike the Redskins the couldn't re-sign him but they didn't let him hit the market (they tag him). Had he hit the market I'm sure (like the Redskins) Seattle had plan to match any offer that the player brought back (if they player had given them a chance to match). With the tag they would definitely get a chance to match however some agent threw in a clause that said if Hutch played in more than X number of games during the length of the contract the whole deal would be guaranteed (the "poision pill") and Seattle could no longer even think about matching. Teams that start talking extentions before the contract year has a better chance to retain their top players, but cap space is need after the current roster is set. That's what the Skins haven't been doing and teams like Philly have, but I think they are getting there.

This is the time of year when fans generally complain about the bad moves the team makes. Most Redskin fans wait a year or two before really complaining but it's gotten so regular that when the team stops making bad moves and start doing the right thing fans don't know the difference, because all the bad moves that they complain about was the same move that was going to get us to the SB 2 years ago.

You are so right about that - also, thank you, I do remember that Seattle had a chance but by in the end it was too late, and you're exactly right, they could not match the deal even though they probably wanted to. I just remember thinking that while he won the NFL MVP he really owed most of that to the fact that he had a great line especially (I think) the left side!

Hey - like you said, that's the way it works!

We just have to take care of "growing" this team and soon. We also need to start getting ready for the years to come because we have a bunch of very good players that are getting up there and we need to start prparing for that as well.

It is time to be blunt:

Dan Snyder is the worst owner the Redskins have ever had. He might even be worse than Preston Marshall and that alone tells A LOT.

Vinny Cerrato is a liability and he has been nothing but an accomplice in this debacle.

We really need to have a couple of these bums to make it impossible for Joe Gibbs to coach and manage this team correctly. Joe can not and should not do it all. He needs help in two forms:

1) for the Danny to get out of the opertations of the team or a new owner; and

2) a new GM to run the Scout department, public relations and player acquisitions.

For as long as all of the above does not happen, we will not move forward. Sure, we might even get a decent season once every five years but no more.

Is it surprising to anybody that not only JLC but the ENTIRE NFL and the MEDIA feels that we are the laughing stock of the NFL??? I am embarrassed by anything The Danny does with our team or the fans.

Yeah, he brought Joe back. I wonder how Joe really feels about that now.

^^Wow!

Are you sure you're a Redskins fan? Actually, strike that. I have to say that I strongly disagree with everything from the prior post with the exception of this:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Vinny Cerrato is a liability and he has been nothing but an accomplice in this debacle.

SkinsFreak wrote:^^Wow!

Are you sure you're a Redskins fan? Actually, strike that.

No, I am not a Redskins Fan, not really. My perversion is sports masochism and I tend to enjoy -some- punishment in relation to owners whom see fit to deal with their teams as fantasy games or children at a young age exchange cards.

If I was a serious fan, I would follow a team that would be LOYAL to players and players that are LOYAL to their team. If I was a serious fan, which I am not, I would expect to follow a team that is WISE and not frivolous about player acquisitions, and players would come here to EARN their salary and not only seek expensive retirement pensions.

If I was a serious fan, which I am not, I would expect some RESPECT and value from the owner as opposed to silly schemes to grab every single cent from our pockets. But since I am not a real fan, I probably should care less about the water bottles, ticket prices, parking spaces, fake jerseys, etc, etc, etc.

But since I am not a REAL fan, I guess I can take the liberty to bad mouth Dan Snyder all I want because -even- for a sports masochist, this is a bit too much. You see, I am looking for some punishment but RIDICULE does not form part of that. I am embarrased as a masochist, let alone as a true Redskins Fan.

Redskin in Canada wrote:If I was a serious fan, which I am not

Fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:If I was a serious fan, which I am not

Fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wow. A well thought out post gets such a pathetic response.

Thanks, Chris. I was simply trying to avoid an argument.

I'm just becoming sick of all the Snyder bashing. In my opinion, blaming Snyder for everything is nothing more than a unjustified convenience, and you are the biggest hater here. I have refrained from attacking your rantings, or his, regarding Snyder, because I simply don't want to get into it with you guys, because you are ALWAYS right and everyone is always wrong. I'm sure that if you owned and operated a football team, you'd never make mistakes and your team would win the Super Bowl every year. Right? But you have an opinion and I ALWAYS respect that, even if I don't agree with it. Sometimes I wonder, if you hate the owner, hate the F/O, or the coaches, or the acquisitions, or the players, or the schemes... I mean, why root for a team that you have so much hate for.

I happen to like Snyder a great deal. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have as an owner. Has he made some mistakes regarding player acquisitions? Yes. Has 31 other owners in this league made similar mistakes as far as player acquisitions? YES, they have. It happens. Snyder is not perfect like you. But he is a risk taker, and I respect that in a business owner. Maybe one day when you own a company or a business, you'll gain a greater respect for that characteristic. NO ONE knows how a player will perform when they are signed. Also, there have only been 3 horrible signings, IMO; Sanders, Smith and AA. The fact that those guys failed to perform on the field is NOT Snyder's fault. But go ahead, blame him if you want.

You always say he is just trying to rip off the fans to fatten his pockets.. BS! What he charges is competitive with other big market teams. I know because I've BEEN to other stadiums around the country. Have you? Are the prices for stuff high? Ya, they are. But if you don't like it or can't afford it, then stay home. Football is a business and we live in a capitalist society. RIC complained about the prices. I would ask how many games a year does he attend at Fed-Ex and how much money he spends at those games. If he does attend games, then I'd ask why he was there. If he doesn't attend games, then I'd ask why he cares.

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you regarding this. You have the right to hate Snyder if you want. Your hate is well noted and acknowledged by everyone. You now know that I do not share in your hate for the owner of the team that I love. Hate all you want, it just gets old after a while. I try to be positive, optimistic and lend support to the team, it's how I enjoy being a fan, and in my opinion, making Snyder the scapegoat for everything, is just foolish and unjustified. I don't need to hate on people to make myself feel better or to look cool in others eyes.

BossHog wrote:You forgot:

- Chris Luva Luva will spin it into a 'sky is falling scenario' no matter what.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just don't take that approach to life, or the Redskins. Damn near every thread here ends up with you bashing Snyder, the front office or the team itself. I'm sorry you feel that way.

SkinsFreak wrote:Thanks, Chris. I was simply trying to avoid an argument.

In the off-season Good luck with that one.

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm just becoming sick of all the Snyder bashing. In my opinion, blaming Snyder for everything is nothing more than a unjustified convenience, and you are the biggest hater here. I have refrained from attacking your rantings, or his, regarding Snyder, because I simply don't want to get into it with you guys, because you are ALWAYS right and everyone is always wrong.

You can't go into a debate thinking the other guy is always right... that's why CLL "THINKS" he's always right. He's normally wrong but telling him that would just make him dig in deeper, that's why we attack the post and not Chris. Of course if "the Danny" logged on I'm sure BH might been that rule for the 2 of them

SkinsFreak wrote:Sometimes I wonder, if you hate the owner, hate the F/O, or the coaches, or the acquisitions, or the players, or the schemes... I mean, why root for a team that you have so much hate for.

Reading his post sometimes makes me think he has tunnel vision but is always looks in the rear view mirror. If you actually debate him in these issues you'll see he has many good reasons for feeling the way he does. I use to think he hated "the Danny" but that went against my other impressions of him. I've concluded that he has a strong dislike for the things "the Danny" has done in the past and isn't ready to give him a pass on ANYTHING.

SkinsFreak wrote:I happen to like Snyder a great deal. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have as an owner. Has he made some mistakes regarding player acquisitions? Yes. Has 31 other owners in this league made similar mistakes as far as player acquisitions? YES, they have. It happens. Snyder is not perfect like you. But he is a risk taker, and I respect that in a business owner. Maybe one day when you own a company or a business, you'll gain a greater respect for that characteristic. NO ONE knows how a player will perform when they are signed. Also, there have only been 3 horrible signings, IMO; Sanders, Smith and AA. The fact that those guys failed to perform on the field is NOT Snyder's fault. But go ahead, blame him if you want.

Can't say I like "the Danny" but he is growing on me ( ). Like I point out to CLL it's not about the making money, if it were the Jags or another team that had to stay in the headlines to be profitable. The Skins will make money regardless, so he's making mistakes while trying to win. It's just been too many in such a short time

SkinsFreak wrote:

BossHog wrote:You forgot:

- Chris Luva Luva will spin it into a 'sky is falling scenario' no matter what.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just don't take that approach to life, or the Redskins. Damn near every thread here ends up with you bashing Snyder, the front office or the team itself. I'm sorry you feel that way.

Are saying CLL is a thread Killer

SkinsFreak wrote:Thanks, Chris. I was simply trying to avoid an argument.

An argument with who? I wasn't even talking to you about this situation. You were speaking to RIC. RIC made a good case for his side of the situation and you came back with a lame one line response.

SkinsFreak wrote:

BossHog wrote:You forgot:

- Chris Luva Luva will spin it into a 'sky is falling scenario' no matter what.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just don't take that approach to life, or the Redskins. Damn near every thread here ends up with you bashing Snyder, the front office or the team itself. I'm sorry you feel that way.

This quote doesn't even warrant a responce. LOL. Every thread I post in his been negative? LOL. Please, if anything my posts since the begining of F/A have neem super positive about the team.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I don't think the F/O is out of the bush yet. They're definitely making an effort to right the ship but there are things that still need to be done.

I've praised the F/O for this offseason and everything. So what was your point again?

SkinsFreak wrote:I was simply trying to avoid an argument.

Show me who was arguing in the last two pages?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That is 100% true and thats why I asked because I don't mind being proven wrong. I've been wrong a lot.

Now that sounds like open discussion/debate. I've changed a lot of my views thanks to Redskin1 about a lot of things. Fios has snagged as well as RIC, Boss and a few others.

SkinsFreak wrote:I try to be positive, optimistic and lend support to the team, it's how I enjoy being a fan, and in my opinion,

Well we're going to need you to try harder. Us fans "trying" hasn't worked out all that well. We need the front office to "try". We need your homeboy Snyder to do something about the F/O too. Since he's so great and knowledgable about all things business like, I"d think that it'd be easier for him to see that.......this isn't working. But who am I to doubt such a savvy business man who is more suited to stocks than owning a football team.

Hey, since he's been the owner, show me his football resume. Doesn't look too successful. And yes, I expect you to OMG WHAT ABOUT 20000005555555. Well....last time I checked, its 2007 and that was one season out of many poor ones.

SkinsFreak wrote: making Snyder the scapegoat for everything, is just foolish and unjustified.

Everything? Nobody blames him for everything. But since he's at the top of the mountain, some of the stuff he did/does trickles down throughout the rest of the organization.

SkinsFreak wrote:I don't need to hate on people to make myself feel better or to look cool in others eyes.

This is a really cute statement. So I guess RIC and I are trying to look cool for all of the hot middle aged men on teh internetz... LOLOMGWTHBBQ. I speak my mind and my opinion if you dont like it, tuff. Too bad. You continue to love Snyder and his homegirl Vannette and I'll continue to be irritated by them.


And heres a beautiful quote by one of my fav. posters. Introducing the great Redskin1.

1niksder wrote:I'll say it again...

Marty fired him, "the Danny" fired Marty and re-hired Cerrato 1 year later. There's your starting point for what goes on with thus team. Look at what was done BEFORE Vinny C was fired, what happened the one year he was gone and what happend AFTER he came back.

"the Danny" doesn't-didn't and won't see it(because he was having FUN) Gibbs on the other hand can deal with losing but I don't think he can deal with the Redskins not winning. That's a good thing for us

Now how does a owner who wants to "win".

1. The coach fires Vinny and we have a decent season.
2. The OWNER fires the coach after a good season that had tons of potential for the following.
3. Rehire a person who had a failiing track record....
4. Again, with Gibbs on board that one year we don't utilize Vannette a lot, we go to the playoffs....

Soo..... is it a coincidence that we have more than once played well when VInny isn't here?

Tell me why does your BELOVED OWNER want to keep Vinny aroud?

How can you expect me to think that this guy is all about winning when he continously keeps the wrong personel by his side?




And please, refute RIC's post before mine. More than one please. But I do expect a reply that consists of "I guess your not a fan..."

LOLOMGWTHBBQ... Inquiring minds NEED to know

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

1niksder wrote:I'll say it again...

Marty fired him, "the Danny" fired Marty and re-hired Cerrato 1 year later. There's your starting point for what goes on with thus team. Look at what was done BEFORE Vinny C was fired, what happened the one year he was gone and what happend AFTER he came back.

"the Danny" doesn't-didn't and won't see it(because he was having FUN) Gibbs on the other hand can deal with losing but I don't think he can deal with the Redskins not winning. That's a good thing for us

Now how does a owner who wants to "win".

1. The coach fires Vinny and we have a decent season.
2. The OWNER fires the coach after a good season that had tons of potential for the following.
3. Rehire a person who had a failiing track record....
4. Again, with Gibbs on board that one year we don't utilize Vannette a lot, we go to the playoffs....

Soo..... is it a coincidence that we have more than once played well when VInny isn't here?

Tell me why does your BELOVED OWNER want to keep Vinny aroud?

How can you expect me to think that this guy is all about winning when he continously keeps the wrong personel by his side?

Why "the Danny" keeps the guy around is a mystery to us all Sorry can't answer that

Chris Luva Luva wrote:And please, refute RIC's post before mine. More than one please. But I do expect a reply that consists of "I guess your not a fan..."

RiC's post states he a non-fan there for this discussion doesn't effect him

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Show me who was arguing in the last two pages?

I didn't say anyone was arguing. I said I wanted to AVOID an augument.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:BossHog wrote:
You forgot:

- Chris Luva Luva will spin it into a 'sky is falling scenario' no matter what.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. I just don't take that approach to life, or the Redskins. Damn near every thread here ends up with you bashing Snyder, the front office or the team itself. I'm sorry you feel that way.

This quote doesn't even warrant a responce. LOL. Every thread I post in his been negative? LOL. Please, if anything my posts since the begining of F/A have neem super positive about the team.

Ok, don't respond, but it was said for a reason. I will, however, concede that you have been more positive recently.

I don't care much for Vinny either and have never backed him up on anything. Why does Snyder keep him around? I don't know, but I bet he's gone after the draft. At least Snyder is trying to right the ship.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:This is a really cute statement. So I guess RIC and I are trying to look cool for all of the hot middle aged men on teh internetz... LOLOMGWTHBBQ. I speak my mind and my opinion if you dont like it, tuff. Too bad. You continue to love Snyder and his homegirl Vannette and I'll continue to be irritated by them.

Are you calling me "middle aged"? If I don't like it, tuff, too bad? Ok. Thanks dude. I'm 36 and I've said several times that you are entitled to your own opinion, and so is everyone else!

Chris, I know you are passionate, just like the rest of us. You have many opinions that I DO agree with, just not this one. You have come around on a few issues and I've taken note of that. The book on the Redskins under Snyder is not finished yet. I honestly believe, in my heart, that Snyder is as pasionate, if not more, than you or I. He's not perfect, I agree, but neither is anyone else.

SkinsFreak wrote:Thanks, Chris. I was simply trying to avoid an argument.

...

If you disagree with -MY- post, would it not be more ethical and even responsible to respond to -ME-???

You see, it appears as if you have taken quite a while and put into a good effort to respond to CLL about -MY- post. I do not think that this is due to lack of courage. I just feel that you are convinced that you are going to read here quite a few things you would not appreciate favourably and that is alright. It would have been fine if you had stopped after this sentence. But you did not, Did you?

I happen to like Snyder a great deal. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have as an owner.

I am sure that such love is fully reciprocated and he cares just about as much about you.

Unfortunately, love has NOTHING to do with performance.

Has he made some mistakes regarding player acquisitions?

Well, let me make it easy for you: Name the good ones. I mean without running out of fingers in your hands. Because I can name quite a few -memorable- ones. They are probably too painful to bring up but I will if needed.

I've BEEN to other stadiums around the country. Have you?

Oh you are a well travelled man! Know some other stadiums and probably a few States. And this argument results in what advantage to advance your view? Because if geographical coverage of NFL Stadiums in the NFL is your main point. You lose here. Trust me.

he attend at Fed-Ex and how much money he spends at those games. If he does attend games, then I'd ask why he was there. If he doesn't attend games, then I'd ask why he cares.

Why ask -HIM- the question? I am here. Actually I have it both ways. I am not a regular season ticket holder but I attend a few games. And fans are not entitled to complain about the way the owner manages the team both if we do attend or not? Brilliant. Next point please.

I just don't take that approach to life, or the Redskins. Damn near every thread here ends up with you bashing Snyder, the front office or the team itself. I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is called RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY. If you do not take that approach to life. It is -your- prerogative. Just do not expect others to sink their heads in the sand.

Ah, and if you really do not wish to have an argument the next time around: Try a bit harder and bite your tongue/keyboard.

But if you can not contain yourself, I am right here. Got it?

Wow. No substance what-so-ever.

Yes, I've been to 4 different NFL stadiums in the last 2 years. My point was that Snyder's "prices" are comparable to other big market teams. I guess you missed that.

I am sure that such love is fully reciprocated and he cares just about as much about you.

Real nice, thanks. Where did I say I "love" him? I said that I like him and I respect the man. But you and CLL can twist it anyway you like and show a real lack of respect. I was trying to be nice and show another side or opinion about Snyder. I like Snyder, you don't, big effen deal. At least you could show fellow Redskin fans some respect for their opinions and beliefs.

Well, let me make it easy for you: Name the good ones.

Ok. Washington, Griffin, Fletcher, Smoot, Wade, Thomas, Rabach, Springs, ARE, Lloyd, Sellers, Carter, Portis, Moss, (yes, you can thank Snyder for getting Moss and Portis here) Gibbs, Williams, Sanders, Bugel... I'm sure I missed a few. I KNOW they are weren't all in this years Pro Bowl. But most fans are still quite thankful to have them.

Ah, and if you really do not wish to have an argument the next time around: Try a bit harder and bite your tongue/keyboard.

I initially did with regard to you. CLL made a condescending remark about my post so I responded to him. Also, he's been the most outspoken person in the house about his hate for Snyder. But I acknowledged that he has been more positive lately.

Every team in the league brings in players who eventually don't work out or simply move on. EVERY TEAM!!!! Name one that hasn't.