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I'm sorry, but I don't understand all this talk about "overpaying" free agents.

1. THERE ARE NO GUARNTEED CONTRACTS IN THE NFL. NONE! Clements got an $80M contract. Do you think he will get all that money?

2. You don't pay the full price "upfront". For example: we signed Lloyd to a $30M deal and they said we overpaid. Overpaid? To date, how much of that $30M has Lloyd actually received? Point being, we haven't paid the guy $30M yet, and probably won't. People also say he sucks and is not worth the money. Well ok, he may not be the best wide out in the league, but he is a significant upgrade over........say.........somebody like........Taylor Jacobs or David Patten! Also, it wasn't like there was a plethora of other great receivers to sign.

3. And this one just baffles me. The current salary cap is $109M, which can't be spent on anything other than player's salaries and bonuses. WHY WOULD YOU ONLY SPEND $80M? Talk about dead cap money! What does that extra $29M you saved do for you? Nothing, it's lost for that year.

4. Just because the 49ers signed Clements to a huge deal doesn't mean they will automatically win the Super Bowl. People say it is foolish to sign a handful of guys to big contracts or bring in free agents because we didn't win the Super Bowl with those guys. Lamest argument I've ever heard. There are about 50 other guys on the roster that have to produce as well. One or two guys can't do it alone. Also, there is only ONE Super Bowl winner each year, so 31 other teams didn't make it either.

I said it before and I'll say it again. As long as Snyder and company keep us under the cap, I could care less how much he pays someone, mainly because that player won't get all that money anyway. They have numerous ways of clearing money and cap space in the future to sign free agents and draft choices. Last year the Titans lost more than a dozen players because of poor cap management, and those players were dubbed "cap casualties". That hasn't happened to the Skins yet, because of superior cap management. And until it does, only then will I engage in the bashing of Snyder and the teams free agent philosophy.

BTW - giving away endless draft picks for players is a whole different animal, like the Duckett situation.

$0.02

I believe the draft pick situation is most of our gripes. I don't think a lot of us are so bent on the overpaying, especially after this week.

I really hope that the addition of LF doesn't cause turmoil in the locker room. I don't a rift between him and Lemar and I truely hope that a role can be found for Lemar if he isn't the starter.

On the other hand I'm glad that we got Smoot because I can envison him being a locker room presecence and someone that can rally the troops.

Fletcher seems like he's good at getting people in position to be successful. He seems like he know where to place people in response to offensive sets and movement.

Smoot seems like he's going to bring fire onto the field with him. With his gift of gab, I think he'll definitely get the guys that much more motivated and pumped up. Him in addition to Marcus and London will definitely keep this defense lit IF we can fix the front four.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I really hope that the addition of LF doesn't cause turmoil in the locker room. I don't a rift between him and Lemar and I truely hope that a role can be found for Lemar if he isn't the starter.

Why this situation over every other rookie/young player and free agent who displaces a starter? It's life in the NFL, if Marshall can't handle losing his job his dairy air will be on the street faster then you can say jackrabbit. And if he can't handle it that's where it should be.

Chris, I totally agree, with regard to Smoot and Fletcher. Williams likes to rotate personnel. So I think there is playing time available for all 4 of our starting line backers, Rocky, Lamar, Marcus and Fletcher. Williams likes to keep fresh legs in the game. Also, different packages and downs require different personnel, like on 3rd downs. For example, Rocky may be better at stopping the run and blitzing the QB, and Lamar might be better in pass defense on passing downs. I really think they will all compliment each other.

But Smoot, I agree that he will motivate the players and the locker room, and I think he will play much better now that he is back in a system he knows and likes.

SkinsFreak wrote:But Smoot, I agree that he will motivate the players and the locker room, and I think he will play much better now that he is back in a system he knows and likes.

Yes and one that is suited to his strengths and not his weaknesses (Minny).

Skinsfan55 wrote:I am still a bit nervous. Dockery was our least best lineman I guess... but games are won up front... and we're also thin on defensive line.

The Redskins have a pretty solid secondary, a good looking LB corps and a brilliant defensive coordinator... but can we really solve the line just with the draft?

And on offense, are we ready to go with no adequate complimentary recievers to Moss or ey? With a hole in the offensive line?

We still need a lot of work, so let's not order the championship rings just yet.

While Moss and ey are the top two targets for JC, I still think that Brandon will make an impact this year. I think last year was a terrible year for him, but I have seen what he can do. And Randle El became a pretty good hands receiver on third downs. Now I would not call him the next Monk or anything, but he made some good plays.

So far so good.

My fellow Redskins? What is this?

Is this the beginning of a Presidential Address on the estate of the Redskins Union? Running for office CLL? or just in the heat of an electoral campaign ...

Skinsfan55 wrote:I am still a bit nervous. Dockery was our least best lineman I guess... but games are won up front... and we're also thin on defensive line.

The Redskins have a pretty solid secondary, a good looking LB corps and a brilliant defensive coordinator... but can we really solve the line just with the draft?

And on offense, are we ready to go with no adequate complimentary recievers to Moss or ey? With a hole in the offensive line?

We still need a lot of work, so let's not order the championship rings just yet.

I'm not convinced Dockery was our best O-lineman by any stretch. He was the youngest, but the best is debateable. I'm just happy we chose not to overpay for a player that's still trying to find his way in the league. Only pro-bowl players command that kind of coin.

Fanforever wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:I am still a bit nervous. Dockery was our least best lineman I guess... but games are won up front... and we're also thin on defensive line.

The Redskins have a pretty solid secondary, a good looking LB corps and a brilliant defensive coordinator... but can we really solve the line just with the draft?

And on offense, are we ready to go with no adequate complimentary recievers to Moss or ey? With a hole in the offensive line?

We still need a lot of work, so let's not order the championship rings just yet.

I'm not convinced Dockery was our best O-lineman by any stretch. He was the youngest, but the best is debateable. I'm just happy we chose not to overpay for a player that's still trying to find his way in the league. Only pro-bowl players command that kind of coin.

I am reluctant to point this out, but he said Dockery was the least best. I can't stand that phrase.

Fios wrote:I am reluctant to point this out, but he said Dockery was the least best. I can't stand that phrase.

I agree. In fact, that is the most worst expression I have ever read.

Snout wrote:

Fios wrote:I am reluctant to point this out, but he said Dockery was the least best. I can't stand that phrase.

I agree. In fact, that is the most worst expression I have ever read.

Can we plug the guy who filled in nicely for Jansen last season for that brief stint, Todd Wade I think, into Dock's spot so as to not waste money on a replacement that turns out to be a bust???? I know we still need depth but can with do this and maybe find another Guard on the cheap???

I think that we are on the cusp right now and like I said before, the coaches got the "groceries", not it's time for them to cook em' (coach em') up......

roybus14 wrote:Can we plug the guy who filled in nicely for Jansen last season for that brief stint, Todd Wade I think, into Dock's spot so as to not waste money on a replacement that turns out to be a bust???? I know we still need depth but can with do this and maybe find another Guard on the cheap???

Wade wants a starting job as a tackle in the NFL.

PulpExposure wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Can we plug the guy who filled in nicely for Jansen last season for that brief stint, Todd Wade I think, into Dock's spot so as to not waste money on a replacement that turns out to be a bust???? I know we still need depth but can with do this and maybe find another Guard on the cheap???

Wade wants a starting job as a tackle in the NFL.

Well, there goes that thought....

roybus14 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Can we plug the guy who filled in nicely for Jansen last season for that brief stint, Todd Wade I think, into Dock's spot so as to not waste money on a replacement that turns out to be a bust???? I know we still need depth but can with do this and maybe find another Guard on the cheap???

Wade wants a starting job as a tackle in the NFL.

Well, there goes that thought....

Not completely. I've been wondering about the feasibility of having Jansen move to guard, and Wade play RT. Seriously...

PulpExposure wrote:Not completely. I've been wondering about the feasibility of having Jansen move to guard, and Wade play RT. Seriously...

No one knows what they will ultimately do, but that's not such a bad idea. I think I've read that some where else too.

SkinsFreak wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Not completely. I've been wondering about the feasibility of having Jansen move to guard, and Wade play RT. Seriously...

No one knows what they will ultimately do, but that's not such a bad idea. I think I've read that some where else too.

Possible, but have a hard time seeing it. Even if Jansen wanted to (which I doubt), we're paying way too much money for our guards that way with Thomas on the right and signing Wade to be a tackle's probably going to take more then signing another decent guard to replace Dockery. Towards the end of Jansen's contract when he's a little older maybe.