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redskins56 wrote:Sup Luva, it's been a while man...

I have a disagreement though...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If they want to deal Betts, hold onto him for another year and let his stock rise. He hasn't done enough to warrant a higher demand but people see that he's a beast. If we can pad his stats we can get a bit more.

I personally want to see him here.

His stock will not get any higher, with the Redskins at least, than it is right now. The chance that Portis goes down again is slim and the chance that he'll replace hiim with 2-months of rushing for 100-yards again is slimmer.

His stock is as high now as it will ever be. If they want to deal him - they should do it now. I'm not too fond of the idea, although if they get a sweet offer for his services they should think about taking it.

I understand your point and I agree. I was moreso speaking on his fumbling issue being an area that could cause his stock to rise.

Justice Hog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He hasn't done enough to warrant a higher demand

Boy, do I disagree with this! Betts did a great job in support of Portis last year. Everyone saw it. Everyone saw that he is potentially a starting RB!

I have to agree with you. Betts' stock is probably the highest it's ever been after a 1000YRD+ season. Not so sure he will get enough carries to match his stats with Portis healthy.

ArizonaHOG wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He hasn't done enough to warrant a higher demand

Boy, do I disagree with this! Betts did a great job in support of Portis last year. Everyone saw it. Everyone saw that he is potentially a starting RB!

I have to agree with you. Betts' stock is probably the highest it's ever been after a 1000YRD+ season. Not so sure he will get enough carries to match his stats with Portis healthy.

It begs the question if the Redskins and Ladell had discussed trading him at all, even behind closed doors.

Shame on the "unnamed source" for leaking out this info, if Ladell had no prior knowledge about a possible trade, or even about the Redskins shopping him around.

Also, Ladell Betts said he has been told nothing about being dealt, but realizes some rumors persist. Said he speaks to his agents daily and they have never mentioned anything, but I also hear that the jets and Broncos have some serious interest in him.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

frankcal20 wrote:We have Rock, Nemo, and possibly draft someone. I want to keep Betts. Successful teams have 2 quality back. We need to start mirroring these teams.

So we agree totally on the 2 backs and I am fine with Betts being #2. I am just open to trading him IF we have another true #2 to replace him and the Jets make it worth it. I'm not for trading him otherwise because like you I really think we need two capable of starting.

frankcal20 wrote:I see Portis and Betts each getting 1500 yards next year. Something tells me we are going to run, run, run.

I thought Opium was Illegal in the US, no?

Maybe the Jets were offering us Patrick Ramsey and a high draft choice for Betts, and when the deal fell through, they went ahead and released PRam?

Either way, the Skins are sitting in the driver's seat on this one. They love having Betts and Portis. Especially with Portis' injury. So the JEts would have to knock their socks off because the Skins have no real desire or motivation to move Betts. The Jets need a RB so bad it is obvious to everyone in the league. Leon is a 3rd down guy with limited experience who will surely break down if they ask him to carry the ball 300 times next year. So we get to sit back and listen to the Jets offers increase over time.

frankcal20 wrote:Not that Portis is injury prone, but he is coming off injury and it would help to have some security with someone who knows this "COMPLEX" offense. And we are focusing on keeping our own. So lets keep our word, take our licks for our mistakes, and head into training camp.

What is so complex about screen passes every 4 plays and the counter trey here and there other than that its run up the middle. They say its COMPLEX but has anyone seen signs of this since Joe returned?

Well, the offense is complex. Playing in any offense at he RB position is generally not very complex. That's why rookie of the year is often a RB, because it is not a difficult adjustment like may other positions.

Running back Ladell Betts, who has piqued the interest of several teams (the Jets and Broncos among them), has heard nothing of a possible trade and Gibbs has continued to espouse the importance of having Betts and Clinton Portis on the team next season. "I talk to my agent on a regular basis but they haven't mentioned anything like [a trade] to me," Betts said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030201277.html

I'm convinced that most-to-none have ever heard of the salary cap.

You know that legal agreement that dictates that it would cost us FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in cap money to NOT have Betts. The guy signed a brand new contract at the END of the season... we'd have to advance his ENTIRE signing bonus on to this year's cap if he was traded.

What scenario is there that makes that a 'good move' for the Redskins REGARDLESS of who's coming back the other way?

We'd be throwing away cap money that we just don't have right now.

Your right boss. It seems that most people forget that. They just get excited at the possibility or what could happen.

BossHog wrote:I'm convinced that most-to-none have ever heard of the salary cap.

You know that legal agreement that dictates that it would cost us FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in cap money to NOT have Betts. The guy signed a brand new contract at the END of the season... we'd have to advance his ENTIRE signing bonus on to this year's cap if he was traded.

What scenario is there that makes that a 'good move' for the Redskins REGARDLESS of who's coming back the other way?

We'd be throwing away cap money that we just don't have right now.

The Jets could agree to pay the salary of whatever players we get for Betts and they could include cash in the deal. If they send at least $5milli.... wrong sport my bad.

Betts salary is $595 K. That is a good value for a backup that could be a starter. Keep him mainley because he's cheap and good.

The Broncos are interested? Maybe we could trade Betts for Champ. Ok, just kidding.

I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand more times. Betts is NOT an every down back. End of last year was a blessing in disguise and I don't think we will capitalize on it. Especially now with Dock gone. They should have capitalized on Betts huge end of the year and shipped him off for draft picks and resign Duckett. Betts is a fumbler and often injured. I think he really maxed out at the end of last year. He is a great back as a backup but other teams right now would give up picks for a starter's value. Not sure what will come of this around draft time or what.

HailSkins94 wrote:I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand more times. Betts is NOT an every down back. End of last year was a blessing in disguise and I don't think we will capitalize on it. Especially now with Dock gone. They should have capitalized on Betts huge end of the year and shipped him off for draft picks and resign Duckett. Betts is a fumbler and often injured. He is a great back as a backup but other teams right now would give up picks for a starter's value. Not sure what will come of this around draft time or what.

Are there really that many every down backs in the NFL anymore? Most teams go with running back by committee now, so why should the Redskins trade a solid back like Betts?

HailSkins94 wrote:I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand more times. Betts is NOT an every down back. End of last year was a blessing in disguise and I don't think we will capitalize on it. Especially now with Dock gone. They should have capitalized on Betts huge end of the year and shipped him off for draft picks and resign Duckett. Betts is a fumbler and often injured. I think he really maxed out at the end of last year. He is a great back as a backup but other teams right now would give up picks for a starter's value. Not sure what will come of this around draft time or what.

I agree he's not a starter, but I think he's a good second to CP. Though with you I'm concerned about the fumbles. Basically I think to this point in his career the Bucs game demonstrates him best. He practically won the game for us on his own, then fumbled when we were just icing the game and lost it for us.

But fumblers have learned to hold the ball, like Tiki, I bet that is THE offseason focus with him for the coaches, critiquing how he is holding the ball and how to fix it.

Jets would never, Mangini is from the Belichek staff that values their draft picks dearly.

Unlike us

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Jets would never, Mangini is from the Belichek staff that values their draft picks dearly.

Unlike us

True, part of being a Redskin fan, I followed the team as my favorite starting in 81 and we have freely traded them since then. I don't know before that when it started. It's just the youngsters are now starting to think they suddenly discovered we don't keep draft picks like it's something new.