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I'll quote lombardi as best I can (from what I remember reading).
"If I had I Sonny Jurgensen passing for me, I would have won more Super Bowls".

This while he was coaching the other team. That being said. I go with Sonny.

How can anyone NOT vote for the guy with the beer belly?????

Honestly, I do have no problem with folks who would give it to Sammy... he did turn the forward pass into the staple of the league offenses. But Sonny was still a better QB. On the other hand, he only played QB. Baugh was dominant at 3 positions...

Roster:

Quarterback – Sammy Baugh, Sonny Jurgensen
Halfback – Larry Brown
Fullback – John Riggins
Wide Reciever – Charlie Taylor, Gary Clark
Wide Reciever – Art Monk, Ricky Sanders
Tight End – Chris ey
Tackle – Jim Lachey
Guard – Joe Jacoby
Center – Jeff Bostic
Guard – Russ Grimm, Paul Laaveg
Tackle - Mark May

Defensive End – Dexter Manley
Defensive End – Charles Mann
Defensive Tackle – Dave Butz
Defensive Tackle – Diron Talbert
Outside Linebacker – Chris Hanburger, Mel Kaufman
Outside Linebacker - Monte Coleman, Wilbur Marshall
Middle Linebacker – Ken Huff, Ken Harvey
Cornerback – Joe Lavendar, Lemar Parrish
Cornerback – Darrell Green
Safety – Ken Houston
Safety – Mark Murphy, Glenn Edwards

Placekicker – Mark Moseley
Punter – Bragg

Kick returner – Darrell Green
Punt returner – Darrell Green

Head Coach – Gibbs
Owner – Cooke

old-timer wrote:Kick returner – Darrell Green
Punt returner – Darrell Green

No love for B. Mitch?

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:Kick returner – Darrell Green
Punt returner – Darrell Green

No love for B. Mitch?

Like Mike Nelms, he was great when he started but his last couple of years detracted from his overall score.

Darrell Green ran back a KO for a TD in his first NFL game and he had that return against the Bears in the NFC Championship game, both unforgettable. He was a threat to take it back every time he touched it, and I think everyone knew it - just don't get that feeling from any other return guy.

old-timer wrote:

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:Kick returner – Darrell Green
Punt returner – Darrell Green

No love for B. Mitch?

Like Mike Nelms, he was great when he started but his last couple of years detracted from his overall score.

Darrell Green ran back a KO for a TD in his first NFL game and he had that return against the Bears in the NFC Championship game, both unforgettable. He was a threat to take it back every time he touched it, and I think everyone knew it - just don't get that feeling from any other return guy.

I disagree, I just can't see how anyone gets the return spots over Mitchell.

B. Mitchell#1 Punt returns and Kickoff Returns.

2. Darell Green
3. dont laugh Deion Sanders no really i am dead serious.

I think Champ was with the team for enough years and was great enough that he should be the second corner by default or is this team only designated for lifetime skins?

Houligan26 wrote:I think Champ was with the team for enough years and was great enough that he should be the second corner by default or is this team only designated for lifetime skins?

My dog's name (Bailey) is Champ-inspired, that's enough for me

I think Champ was with the team for enough years and was great enough that he should be the second corner by default or is this team only designated for lifetime skins

No. I think of it this way. Consider what a fan from another team might think...

Art Monk... though he played with both the Jets and Eagles after leaving DC, when you hear his name, you think Skins

Sonny Jurgenson... played several years in Philly prior to becoming a skin... But, hear his name, and you think Redskins

Brian Mitchell... turned to both the evil Beagles and the Giants... but you'd still think of him as a Redskin.



Most fans around the league hear Champ, and I'm sure they think "Bronco's", not Redskins. I don't think he belongs.

Results: Quarterbacks

1. Sammy Baugh (64.7%)

mastdark81
Steve Spurrier III
Irn-Bru
Skins2daGrave
Aswas71788
Hog Heaven
JansenFan
Wormer
UK Skins Fan
mulkey
old-timer

2. Sonny Jurgensen (29.4%)

Warmother
Welch
Countertrey
Skins#1
Punu

3. Mark Rypien (5.9%)

Herohamo

If you voted for two guys, I counted the one you listed first. Thanks to everyone who voted!

Halfback

Votes due by February 25th, midnight, EST. Vote for only one.

Terry Allen, 1995-1998, 1 Pro Bowl
Larry Brown 1969-1976, 4 Pro Bowls, 1972 NFL MVP
Earnest Byner 1989-1993, 2 Pro Bowls
Bill Dudley 1950-1951, 1953, HOF, 2 Pro Bowls
Dick James 1955-1963, 1 Pro Bowl
Charlie Justice 1950, 1952-1954
Clinton Portis 2004-present
Joe Washington 1981-1984

I couldn’t decide whether or not to list John Riggins as a halfback or fullback. He probably should be a halfback, but if people can pretend that Mike Alstott is a fullback then we can pretend Riggins is one too. If you guys don’t like that, just say so, I’m not married to it. But at least this way we don’t have to choose between Larry Brown and Riggo.

Also, I included Portis. I think he’s still a ways away from approaching guys like Larry Brown, but he does hold the single-season Redskins rushing record and if a guy like Charlie Justice makes the cut, I think Portis should too.

Happy voting!

Hard to pick anyone over #43 from that list.

I'm with JF (and, undoubtedly, NC43Hog ). Brown.


I do hope that Clinton gives him a run for his money, one day.

I'd have thought Steven Davis might deserve a mention, but then maybe he belongs in the fullback category as well as Riggins. Plus the length of his career after leaving Washington - but I still think of him as a Redskin.

In five years time, I'd like to think Portis would walk this category, but my vote goes to Brown.

Larry Brown.

Warmother wrote:I'll vote for Sonny Jurgenson. He was the best passer I've ever seen. If the Skin's defense was any good when he played, I'm sure they would have won a championship.
Sammy Baugh was also a great saftey and punter. I'll give him my vote for one of those postions.

EXACTLY! My criterion is I'm assembling a team and I want the best 'Skin ever at every position. The best QB we've ever had is Jurgy. Make Baugh the punter (best ever in NFL) and you have a great back-up at both saftey and QB.

DarthMonk

I see I was too late for QB.

We got Bobby Mitchell from the Browns. He couldn't crack the lineup there at halfback due to a guy named Jim Brown. Many of those who saw him run (including me) thought he was just as good.

We moved him to wide out. If we had left him at halfback we'd all be voting for him hands down.

He carried a little over 500 times in 3 seasons with the Browns for a 5.2 average. He was pulled from games more than once when nearing records (for fear of upstaging Brown many say).

He had WORLD CLASS speed. He was a lot like Gayle Sayers.

Charley Taylor was much the same. Started as a runner for us and moved to wideout.

Since neither can really be on this list I guess I gotta go with Larry Brown although the best runners we ever had at this position were Mitchell and Taylor.

DarthMonk

I am voting for Clinton Portis. If Riggins was on the list hed be my first choice.
1.CLinton Portis
2.Earnest Byner

Starter: Larry Brown
Back up: Joe Washington

DarthMonk wrote:Since neither can really be on this list I guess I gotta go with Larry Brown although the best runners we ever had at this position were Mitchell and Taylor.

There is no question that Taylor and Mitchell could have been/were good halfbacks, but they are all-time greats at flanker. The wide reciever vote is going to be awfully interesting - someone is going to get the shaft, and something tells me on this board, it won't be Art Monk.

But at halfback, I'll vote for Larry Brown.

I chose Brown as Tail back and Riggins as full back. Also backing up both Ernest Byner, nuff said

From this list it's Larry Brown. I think with time it will be Portis.
One guy who wasn't mentioned was Mike Thomas. He took over when Brown slowed down and had a couple of good years for the Skin's.

I don't think this ever concluded. Maybe we could make it a little easier with a poll at each postion after a little discussion.

DarthMonk

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Since we’ve entered the dreaded offseason, I though it would be fun to name our 75th anniversary team. The way it works is simple: each week, everyone votes on a position until we have our full roster. I’ll suggest as many nominees as I can think of, but write-ins are more than welcome – I’m bound to miss a few. We will tally up results each week (let’s say by Sunday at midnight ET each week), and then start the next position.

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Roster:

Quarterback – Sammy Baugh, 64.7% (backup: Sonny Jurgensen 29.4%)
Halfback –
Fullback – 
Wide Reciever – 
Wide Reciever – 
Tight End – 
Tackle – 
Guard – 
Center –
Guard – 
Tackle

Defensive End – 
Defensive End – 
Defensive Tackle – 
Defensive Tackle – 
Outside Linebacker – 
Outside Linebacker - 
Middle Linebacker – 
Cornerback – 
Cornerback – 
Safety – 
Safety – 

Placekicker –
Punter – 

Kick returner –
Punt returner – 

Head Coach –
Owner – 
City - 

So does that mean QB is settled and we're now on RBs..?