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Skin Diesel wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Well at least they realize that evaluation at the linebacker position sucks. We only accidentally discovered that Pierce was a stud...brining in Barrow was a bust....and Pierce was lucky he got a chance. Letting him go without a viable replacement in the middle (i.e. not having to move a former safety and WLB to the middle) was also an act of retardedness.

Moving up in the draft to get a guy who can't start over Holdman is a blunder. And looking at the film of Holdman every week for 2 years and not realizing he sucks is a blunder as well.

Lindsey had nothing to do with any of those personnel decisions.

What? The Linebacker's coach has a lot to do with how the players are graded during fim session and who gets playing time on gameday. Greg Blache and Dale Lindsey had a lot of control over what players where in the 'packages' and how they rotate.

Read anything related to it and you can see that the players along the D Line and the LB's look to their position coaches first and the Coordinator second.

The Hogster wrote:

Skin Diesel wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Well at least they realize that evaluation at the linebacker position sucks. We only accidentally discovered that Pierce was a stud...brining in Barrow was a bust....and Pierce was lucky he got a chance. Letting him go without a viable replacement in the middle (i.e. not having to move a former safety and WLB to the middle) was also an act of retardedness.

Moving up in the draft to get a guy who can't start over Holdman is a blunder. And looking at the film of Holdman every week for 2 years and not realizing he sucks is a blunder as well.

Lindsey had nothing to do with any of those personnel decisions.

What? The Linebacker's coach has a lot to do with how the players are graded during fim session and who gets playing time on gameday. Greg Blache and Dale Lindsey had a lot of control over what players where in the 'packages' and how they rotate.

Read anything related to it and you can see that the players along the D Line and the LB's look to their position coaches first and the Coordinator second.

To back that point up, I am sure Warrick Holdman played for Lindsey at the Bears.

I have no idea whether Dale Lindsey deserved to get fired, I admit it. But IMHO failure starts at the top, which in this case is Gregg Williams, because I think he gets very little interference from Gibbs.

Now Gibbs is buiilding a good offense, I think we can all see that. But the defense is clearly going in the opposite direction. Some of us don't appear to see that at all.

We've lost a lot of good 'fit' players since GW came here, and no good ones have been added. True, we lost two good LB's in Pierce and Arrington (you can argue all day about Arrington's impact on the team chemistry but I don't think there's any doubt our D played better, much better, when he was here). But we've also lost performers in the secondary (which is currently worst in the league by far in terms of big plays) who were replaced by outright jokes (Wright ant Rumph), and our DLINE is disastrously deficient in pass rushing. This is why I think that Lindsay is a scapegoat- the defensive failures are unit-wide, not confined to LB's. I think actually that GW should be the one to go.

old-timer wrote:I have no idea whether Dale Lindsey deserved to get fired, I admit it. But IMHO failure starts at the top, which in this case is Gregg Williams, because I think he gets very little interference from Gibbs.

Now Gibbs is buiilding a good offense, I think we can all see that. But the defense is clearly going in the opposite direction. Some of us don't appear to see that at all.

We've lost a lot of good 'fit' players since GW came here, and no good ones have been added. True, we lost two good LB's in Pierce and Arrington (you can argue all day about Arrington's impact on the team chemistry but I don't think there's any doubt our D played better, much better, when he was here). But we've also lost performers in the secondary (which is currently worst in the league by far in terms of big plays) who were replaced by outright jokes (Wright ant Rumph), and our DLINE is disastrously deficient in pass rushing. This is why I think that Lindsay is a scapegoat- the defensive failures are unit-wide, not confined to LB's. I think actually that GW should be the one to go.

"Hey Old-Timer"....

It's funny how that works right??? The players that performed well in our 'scheme' we let go and replace them with garbage.... You are right in saying that it starts at the top but we all know that before the one at the top goes, one of their assistants will get the axe first. Why did GW get away from what work'd well with the players that he had only to try to replace them with "over-paid" junk?

In order to develop something, you have to have a formula. I don't know what it is but the birds up I-95 got one and now we could be coveting one their guys (Thomas). There is a formula working in Denver with their O-line where they have been able to successfully plug-in a new RB each year and work. Even though they haven't won the 'big game' yet, the Colts have a formula with Manning and that offense. What's our formula? What's our M.O.? What is the one constant on either side of the ball that we are good at or do well and are consistent with it????

roybus14
"What is the one constant on either side of the ball that we are good at or do well and are consistent with it????"

uuuuuhhh, how about REDSKINS FOOTBALL!!, or uuuuuhhh countertray, screens, cover 2, cornerback blitz. yeah.

It sucks having GW think his D is like Dever's line. Thinking he can plug in any player, and it still work.

roybus14
"There is a formula working in Denver with their O-line where they have been able to successfully plug-in a new RB each year and work"

I heard they were having problems deciding on a starting RB because they haven't gotten the production like they did With CP. and Their OL formula using small lineman to move better for run blocking doesn't work good for pass blocking. Point being every formula has a flaw.

And The Colts formula with Manning, What formula??? Manning never using the play his coach called in, and choosing your play only after you see the D. Thats a hell of a formula. Especially, when your coach already had a game plan before the game started. Talking about, not sticking to the game plan!

All Im saying is, I think our coaches are trying to find a way.
Yes, we may had a formula a couple of years ago(cover 2), the formula was getting beat. And getting beat bad after GW thought it had nothing to do with players. You have to change what you do. Gibbs plan from the 80's don't work today. You have to adjust as Gibbs has been doing.

We are just in an adjustment period. and I think our LBs could have played better

This is the guy who is partly responsible for Lavar being let go!

HEROHAMO wrote:This is the guy who is partly responsible for Lavar being let go!

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