Why Alan Branch?

[1niksder]

He had total disregard to the fact that what you were posting is correct

Wow, so you agree that rookies are sitting on their hands? There is no value in what they are doing because they are not playing? I'm stunned because I respect your views. You can't seriously believe there is no value in anything they are doing because they are not playing, which is the point I made. They are 22 year old kids. They are babes. They are wet behind the years. You can't believe they don't need to actually learn before they play. Sure, there are a few that are so talented they step right in, but few rookies do.

BTW, the rest of your post was good.

I think the staff has shown that it won't play rookies until the very last min. I was agreeing with his point that rookies won't play, if the were sitting on there hands then it may have been because they were trying to get them warm, but I don't remember saying that.

[PulpExposure]

The word is he is in fact leaning to stay, though that could be wishful thinking on our part.

I seem to remember Steve Francis insisting he'd stay at Maryland for his second season. Then it was 99% sure he'd return. Then the draft came.

[PulpExposure]

You can get good value down in the latter stages of the draft still if you're going to get a DT or DE. There is no Mario Williams or Julius Peppers, trade the pick.

Which means our draft pick isn't worth very much, then.

Who would be willing to trade up? Can't trade with ourselves, unfortunately. I think we'd still lose out in that deal somehow...

[die cowboys die]

Name me the last rookie to start on opening day for this Joe Gibbs tenure.

And this has to do with what I said because...

Please. I didn't say the rookies weren' t learning, or being mentored.

Interesting, so what did you mean when you said "you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

it's called "hyperbole". this is not a difficult concept to understand.

[air_hog]

I think it's ridiculous when people just make blanket statements like "Oh we should just trade down" without considering all that has to fall into place for trading down to work out successfully.

Dude, I said that but it doesn't mean that we could just automatcially trade down for a perfect deal. C'mon.

I said trade down because look: A) We're not just one big hot-shot draftee away from becoming a solid defense. We need a lot of pieces to this screwed up puzzle and by having 1 First Day Pick is not going to solve our problems.

And B) Even if we were just that 1 Upcomming NCAA star away from filling the gap, the 2007 Crop doesn't seem to have those 2 or 3 guys that jump out at you as super studs. Ala Sean Taylor or D-Hall in 2004.

So what I'm saying is hopefully we can maybe find an offer where we could move down about 10 or so spots, while picking up an early to mid 2nd Rounder in the process.

Then we could still have a solid top 20 pick, and an early 2nd Rounder who could develop like Rocky did and end up over time as a solid Second Round pick.

And another thing, like you said you thought it was ridiculous when you heard people say, "I think it's stupid when people blindly say we should trade down or whatever..." AKA

I think it's ridiculous when people just make blanket statements like "Oh we should just trade down" without considering all that has to fall into place for trading down to work out successfully.

Well I think it's ridiculous when people say stuff like, "Why even draft a rookie when he'll just sit on the bench like Rocky did even though Rocky was super good".

Well, A) The reason Rocky sat all those games was because HE WAS A SECOND ROUND PICK. Not a TOP 5 OVERALL pick like Taylor or Rogers.

And B) The reason Rocky played so well was because I think the coaches handled his situation 100% Absolutely Right. I mean, at first he saw only limited action on Special Teams. Which just gave him a taste of NFL speed. Then he became a ST regular where he could consistently earn some NFL Speed Action. Then after he was used to NFL speed, he was slowly inserted into Gametime Action and he was ready for it, and in result played extremely well.

There, I'm done.

[joebagadonuts]

I didn't say the rookies weren' t learning, or being mentored.

Interesting, so what did you mean when you said "you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

You didn't say they weren't learning, but you said they were "doing nothing." I'm not feeling contradicted here.

I didn't say they were doing nothing - that was the imaginary Coach Gibbs talking (though it sounds more like Williams). I was making an attempt at sarcasm by implying that, by not playing rookies, Coach Gibbs has them doing nothing. I'm aware that Joe Gibbs is one of the best teachers in the game, and I have no doubt that the rookies on our team are learning more than they would on most other teams.

Again, perhaps you took my exaggeration too literally.

If you're interested to know where I stand on the subject, I think playing rookies is a decision that depends on the individual. Some rookies are ready, others aren't. This seems obvious. I will admit that I am curious as to why Gibss seems so set against playing rookies.

[KazooSkinsFan]

"you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

I didn't say they were doing nothing

[1niksder]

"you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

I didn't say they were doing nothing

He didn't mean it literally itwas partly in jest

[KazooSkinsFan]

Name me the last rookie to start on opening day for this Joe Gibbs tenure.

And this has to do with what I said because...

Please. I didn't say the rookies weren' t learning, or being mentored.

Interesting, so what did you mean when you said "you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

it's called "hyperbole". this is not a difficult concept to understand.

Hyperbole is most effectively used within another point or with some smiles or winks to show you are not serious. He said we do nothing with rookies and reinfoced it with sending them to get coffee.

To make a point they are doing nothing and reinforce that with an extreme statement and then say it was hyperbole is challenged, not effective. I still see no indication that it was a gest and not serious.

But Skins bashing is your arena so I'll defer to your expertise in this. Is that what all your posts are, hyperbole?

[KazooSkinsFan]

"you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

I didn't say they were doing nothing

He didn't mean it literally itwas partly in jest

I just addressed this, I think our posts crossed.

And he didn't say he wasn't serious, he said he did not say it.

[1niksder]

"you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

I didn't say they were doing nothing

He didn't mean it literally itwas partly in jest

I just addressed this, I think our posts crossed.

And he didn't say he wasn't serious, he said he did not say it.

You seem to be the only one that didn't get it.
More to the point, Where is a rookie to get coffee while in full pads on the sidelines? Had jbd said Gatorade, Water, maybe sending them for pickle juice I might have put some thought into if he were serious or not but coffee, we're talking about coffee

would have helped

[KazooSkinsFan]

You seem to be the only one that didn't get it.
More to the point, Where is a rookie to get coffee while in full pads on the sidelines? Had jbd said Gatorade, Water, maybe sending them for pickle juice I might have put some thought into if he were serious or not but coffee, we're talking about coffee

would have helped

Huh?

Nowhere in my posts did I say I thought they were literally getting coffee. His reference was they have nothing to do. I said that is intellectually challenged because they have a lot to do. They are 22 year old kids learning how to play NFL football. There are very few Reggie Bush's out there who come in and make an impact, most need to learn, practice, study. Actually even he started slowly and came on as the year progressed.

This ongoing inference our coaches rot rookies is absurd and that and other attacks from the intellectually lazy who pile on a 5-11 team is old. And unproductive from those who claim to be fans of that team.

[joebagadonuts]

"you're doing nothing on the sidelines, go get me a cup of coffee?"

I didn't say they were doing nothing

He didn't mean it literally itwas partly in jest

I just addressed this, I think our posts crossed.

And he didn't say he wasn't serious, he said he did not say it.

You seem to be the only one that didn't get it.
More to the point, Where is a rookie to get coffee while in full pads on the sidelines? Had jbd said Gatorade, Water, maybe sending them for pickle juice I might have put some thought into if he were serious or not but coffee, we're talking about coffee

would have helped

I appreciate your efforts, niksider, but I think all hope is lost. I have apparently responded to UK's desire for a player who will make an immediate impact by stating that the Redskins coaches 'rot' rookies, and that they do literally nothing during their first year with the team. I have attacked this 5-11 team, and my standing as a fan of the team is in question. Furthermore, by poking fun at Coach Gibbs for not playing rookies, I am intellectually lazy. [<---please note smiley, indicating that I am not, in any way, endorsing the above opinion, and I am, in fact, making a humorous or sarcastic comment, rather than a true statement, and I cannot accept any responsibility for any misuse or misinterpretation of said comment.]

It doesn't appear as if this opinion of me will change.

I still see no indication that it was a gest and not serious.

You must not know me well enough. If you wish to think of me or my post as lazy, ignorant, or whatever, because of a simple attempt at humor (I'll take the blame for not including a smiley), I'll have to live with that, because I'm getting tired of defending myself and my post. We should move on (or back) to the thread topic.

[Fios]

We should move on (or back) to the thread topic.

Amen