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FYI- I think we are looking at the #6 pick.

If the Cardinals somehow beat the Chargers then we would move ahead of them to the #5 pick.

SkinsJock wrote:The secret to the draft has so far eluded this team for the most part - when we have so few picks it would be nice to come up with a guy like Colston (out of Hofstra ) who was taken (I believe) in the 4th or 5th round by New Orleans - hopefully our scouts will work some magic this time around - these guys need to do a lot better job IMO.

He was taken in the very end of the 7th round, like 4 picks from Mr. Irrelevant. One of the best steals in draft history.

SkinsJock wrote:The secret to the draft has so far eluded this team for the most part - when we have so few picks it would be nice to come up with a guy like Colston (out of Hofstra ) who was taken (I believe) in the 4th or 5th round by New Orleans - hopefully our scouts will work some magic this time around - these guys need to do a lot better job IMO.

7th round

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So, in my opinion, if Calvin Johnson is still available when we pick, we should take him. He has the potential to change the outcome of a game. We haven't used a top pick on an impact player on offense for quite some time; Campbell and Ramsey are the only two offensive players selected in the first round since 2001, when we drafted 50/50 (Rod Gardner).

I will, however, be happy with any player selected with our 1st pick.

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NO Wide Receiver in any draft is worth the 6th pick. Loading up on WR has really worked for Detroit and Arizona. WR is the pick most often screwed up first round pick exspecially in the top ten. I don't want us to even THINK about drafting a WR on the first day. Beside Detroits best WR wasn't even drafted. Mike Furrey was an undrafted rookie in 2003 the Mike Martz brought with him from the Ram.

If anything for an offense needed for FA or Draft, its a tall WR. You can use Lloyd or Brunell for trade bait if you want, but that would be unlikely. But if I were at #6, trade the pick to someone who has a lot of draft picks in the first day and get good value like a young LB or DB. Everyone is raving for Alan Branch and I would like to have him, but the Browns and Bucs could get him. If your going to draft Branch, you better attack the FA market with CBs, LBs, and DEs in hand. Sadly there is no one who will listen and were stuck with the spending spree. If anything is hopeful, I hope Snyder learns his lesson that money doesn't solve problems in any industry (cough...Triple X...cough)

The game of Football starts in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. The glaring weeknesses of your linebakers and secondary aren't as glaring when you have guys in the trenches that can stop the run and also pressure the qb. The first step in righting this ship is drafting Branch from Michigan.

Well, having Branch wouldn't have really helped stop Tiki because they weren't running him up the gut, but rather to the Weakside, which is literally our "weak side".

And next year with Marcus back, and Rocky likely starting over Holdman, I think we need a new MLB. But with our luck, there doesn't seem to be an impact MLB at the front of the draft.

Therefore, I propose we TRADE OUR FIRST ROUND PICK for a later first rounder, and maybe like a 3rd or 2nd in '08.

Then we can get like Posluzney or Buster Davis who will go in the early 20's, then pick up a solid middle round pick and get like a big O-Lineman or D-Lineman.

1fan4ramsey wrote:The game of Football starts in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. The glaring weeknesses of your linebakers and secondary aren't as glaring when you have guys in the trenches that can stop the run and also pressure the qb. The first step in righting this ship is drafting Branch from Michigan.

Branch doesn't pressure QB's or make many tackles. He jams things up. He's strictly one dimensional, which is why we should go first for Adams and maybe play Daniels at tackle.

air_hog wrote:Well, having Branch wouldn't have really helped stop Tiki because they weren't running him up the gut, but rather to the Weakside, which is literally our "weak side".

And next year with Marcus back, and Rocky likely starting over Holdman, I think we need a new MLB. But with our luck, there doesn't seem to be an impact MLB at the front of the draft.

Therefore, I propose we TRADE OUR FIRST ROUND PICK for a later first rounder, and maybe like a 3rd or 2nd in '08.

Then we can get like Posluzney or Buster Davis who will go in the early 20's, then pick up a solid middle round pick and get like a big O-Lineman or D-Lineman.

We have a better shot at an MLB of quality as an FA than we do in the draft.i

I think it is really important that we have a really good MLB playing on our team this year. BUT, there is no MLB in college this year that we are going to draft and then have him ready to play this year.

Also Jamal Andersen is a beast and we need to get him...he plays for Arkansas DE and is 6'6 280lbs reminds me of a lite version as Julius Peppers. A little less explosive but pretty damn good. Watch them play right now.

I like this guy:

Tank Tyler
DT | (6'2", 310, 5.29) | NORTH CAROLINA ST


Strengths: He displays a very good combination of height, bulk and quickness. Fires off the ball quickly and generally does a good job of playing with leverage. He shows good initial pop and will knock some offensive linemen back on their heels. He has the thickness and base to anchor when he is in position. He shows some ability to penetrate when turned loose. He gives a good effort in spurts. He will take one play off but then you will see him chasing from sideline-to-sideline and down the field on other plays.

Weaknesses: Needs to prove he can be productive without star-studded cast around him. Must prove capable of consistently fighting through the double-team. He is quick in the short area but lacks ideal top-end speed and closing burst. He shows good initial pop but seems to lack ideal upper body strength, because he struggles to get off of blocks quickly enough. He also needs to improve his hand usage. A little bit too straight-lined of a player. Does not show the fluid change-of-direction skills to consistently redirect and make plays in the backfield at the NFL level. There are some concerns regarding his character and work ethic. There are reports that he does not always respond to discipline well and he has had trouble keeping his weight down. Also some concerns regarding mental capacity after poor score on Wonderlic Test (13).

Overall: Tyler graduated from high school early, joined the team in January of 2003, and then saw action in all 11 games as a true freshman making 13 total tackles. In 2004, he started all 11 games recording 33 total tackles, six tackles for loss, and one forced fumble. Tyler played in all 11 games (eight starts) in 2005 and finished the season with 40 total tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, two sacks, and one fumble recovery.

Tyler displays a fine combination of size and quickness. While he's not much of a pass rushing threat, he can be an effective run-stopper in a two-gap and one-gap scheme. However, Tyler has much to prove while under the spotlight as a senior now that 2006 first round picks DE Mario Williams (Texans, No. 1), DE Manny Lawson (49ers, No. 22) and DT John McCargo (Bills, No. 26) have moved on to the NFL. Tyler is a fringe first-day prospect whose stock could soar or plummet between now and next April's draft.



And this was written b4 the season.

Alan Branch/Lamar Woodley/Gaines Adams

but trade down because one of those will be avail at picks 10-15

Now if we trade down, would that require us to swap with Denver?

frankcal20 wrote:Now if we trade down, would that require us to swap with Denver?

No. The position that determines whether the swap kicks in is based solely by final record. You can't trade into a position and trigger the swap.

Good. Just making sure. I think trading down would be a really good idea. We need picks and we can still get a good player in the later first round. Not to mention we could us the break on the cap for a top 10 pick. Lets just hope that we don't blow this. Its a great opportunity for us to do something really good here.

The rookie workouts will be really exciting.

frankcal20 wrote:Good. Just making sure. I think trading down would be a really good idea. We need picks and we can still get a good player in the later first round. Not to mention we could us the break on the cap for a top 10 pick. Lets just hope that we don't blow this. Its a great opportunity for us to do something really good here.

The rookie workouts will be really exciting.

NE has two in the first 18 and 28, I'd take that off them for the #6

I dunno, I like the whole idea of a lineman on either side...but if Calvin Johnson some how slipped to 6 then i dunno........

brad7686 wrote:I just heard that the redskins could draft as high as 3rd. IF that is the case, they should go Calvin Johnson, I don't care. He is too good to pass up. There are sure to be experienced DT's that can make a difference immediately in the FA market.

Well, we now know that we are at 6 BUT I still wonder why you think we might want this guy at #3 - if we had been there? Not to cast any doubts on this guy but why is he 'rated" as the #19 WR - I mean I have seen the guy play a couple of times this year and he is having a great game for GA Tech today. But is there something we do not know that has this guy not even in the top 10?

We have a top 10 pick and I think we will find that we are picking somebody a lot more valuable than a WR that is not even in the top 10 at his position (unless there is something wrong with those ratings).

IMO I think we will be considering a lot of other options with this pick than that

Calvin Johnson will not be on the board at #6. It's not even worth talking about.

We need defensive help anyway.

JPM36 wrote:Calvin Johnson will not be on the board at #6.

Certainly not after his performance in the Gator Bowl today.

9 rec, 186 yds, 2 TD

Pudgeman37 wrote:If anything for an offense needed for FA or Draft, its a tall WR. You can use Lloyd or Brunell for trade bait if you want, but that would be unlikely. But if I were at #6, trade the pick to someone who has a lot of draft picks in the first day and get good value like a young LB or DB. Everyone is raving for Alan Branch and I would like to have him, but the Browns and Bucs could get him. If your going to draft Branch, you better attack the FA market with CBs, LBs, and DEs in hand. Sadly there is no one who will listen and were stuck with the spending spree. If anything is hopeful, I hope Snyder learns his lesson that money doesn't solve problems in any industry (cough...Triple X...cough)

No way will anyone trade for Brunell.

I think if he is there, we should try to trade our pick for a later 1st and another 1st or if we have to get a 2nd pick, we should also get a late round or 3rd rd next year. Its so dependant on who's available and what they have.

1niksder wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Good. Just making sure. I think trading down would be a really good idea. We need picks and we can still get a good player in the later first round. Not to mention we could us the break on the cap for a top 10 pick. Lets just hope that we don't blow this. Its a great opportunity for us to do something really good here.

The rookie workouts will be really exciting.

NE has two in the first 18 and 28, I'd take that off them for the #6

Bingo!!! Well, NE does need is safety, WR, and LB help. Two of the three they need and can get great value with Calvin Johnson or Gaines Adams. If I were the Skins, make the move, keep the 18th pick and try to move the 28th pick back to the second round and get additional picks. Again, I hope its ture, but we need a GM for that.

Given the contrasting quality of draft trades that the Patriots and the Redskins seem to pull off, I suggest our front office stays well clear of trying to work a trade with New England.

We'll probably end up trading them the first round pick for some shiny silver paper.