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SCSkinsFan wrote:So, now that the game is over and the Skins have pulled out a 17 - 13, what say you now RIC?

I responded here:

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 245#294245

Awesome win, Jason Campbell is doing a great job guys, Im happy with him, Carlos Rogers did a great job also.. hopefully we can get on a roll now.. the fumbles early in the game scared me alittle though.. good thing we recovered them..

Yesterday's win capped a heck of a day - great weather, Jason Campbell's home debut, and a thrilling, come-from-behind win for my son's FIRST Redskins game! The boy's obviously good luck! It was so great to take him to his first game, and have it be a great win.

Champsturf wrote:

SkinzCanes wrote:

LOL.....touche' I was referring to yards and such, but I'll accept your stats...lol

I didn't mean to be nitpicky. I'm just really impressed with JC so far. I was one of the people calling for him to start out of training camp but I never thought that he would do this well in his first two NFL starts. The way he bounced back after that int really says a lot about him.

Oh, I know. You and I have been on the same page since August. But then again, we were the jerks wanting Brunell out from under center. I'm not saying we were right (we won't KNOW for quite some time), but it sure looks promising.

Looks very, very promising! I'm glad to see JC behind center now, and hopefully he's there for a long time. He's still missing some throws, but he hasn't had the practice time with first string recievers that Brunell had, so JC's only going to get better from here.

I did not think they could pull it off, but Campbell was solid...

I like the kid, and I'm glad he was able to help the team win in the end, but he made too many errant throws yesterday (AT HOME) to really say he was "solid".

I arrived at the start of the 2nd quarter. I heard he had a good scramble in the first which lit up the crowd, but from what I witnessed, he still has to hone in the cannon of an arm he has.

Of course, it IS his second start, and I'm gladd he's a .500 QB for his career. However, I was more impressed by his performance in Tampa than what he did yesterday.

The good thing is that he has two more games at home to help us get further back into the playoff picture, no matter how out of focus it might appear right now.

JC, I'm behind you, and I believe you will improve over the next two weeks. Bring us home, baby!!!

On a side note, how appropriate was it that ey had a break-out game on the same day he was featured on the Gameday program??? His performance was frickin' awesome!!!!!

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

I did not think they could pull it off, but Campbell was solid...

I like the kid, and I'm glad he was able to help the team win in the end, but he made too many errant throws yesterday (AT HOME) to really say he was "solid".

True, but how long has he had to work on his timing with his receivers? If these issues continue next season, we should be concerned, but I think his accuracy will pick up with time. I believe he said the season-long completion percentage record his senior year at Auburn. Having a cannon of an arm is worthless if a QB can't be accurate, but I think that with time, JC will demonstrate power and accuracy.

Mursilis wrote:Having a cannon of an arm is worthless if a QB can't be accurate, but I think that with time, JC will demonstrate power and accuracy.

And THAT will be deadly!!! All hail JC!!!

I LOVE the new Jumbo package. With Koz helping Samuels and Mike Pucillo in at TE helping Jansen, we have got a kick-butt power running formation.

I arrived at the start of the 2nd quarter. I heard he had a good scramble in the first which lit up the crowd, but from what I witnessed, he still has to hone in the cannon of an arm he has.

Of course, it IS his second start, and I'm gladd he's a .500 QB for his career. However, I was more impressed by his performance in Tampa than what he did yesterday.

On Postgame Live they asked Campbell about the overthrows and he attributed to being a little too pumped up, especially after the long run for the first down.

I was actually more impressed with the way he played yesterday than in Tampa. The numbers were better against Tampa, but the way he bounced back after the int was what really impressed me. Things weren't going as smoothly for him yesterday (overthrows, dropped passes, int) as they did against the Bucs, yet he didn't let any of that faze him and he stepped up and made plays to win the game when he needed to. That means a lot more than a few errant passes.

No matter who you are, you have to be impressed by a 4th quarter comeback from a kid starting his second game, against the Panthers 6'4" defense.

Also, i want to give props to B Lloyd for following ey on the TD catch, and pushing out the last Panther defender who could have potentially stopped him from going in the endzone.

Big ups......J Campbell
Big ups......Defense
Big ups......Joe Gibbs
Big ups......Defense
Big ups......All of us who stayed in the stadium after the INT!!!!

I'm sorry but the play calling is still handcuffing this offense... we're lucky we had field position on our side for a lot of that game because otherwise thows 3-and-outs early in the game would have killed us... the wide receiver screen, the shovel pass, the reverse... all stuffed... those are things you do when you've established your offense and the defense is on their heels, not when you're struggling just to get a first down... and those short yardage stiuations were terrible uninspired play calling... maybe it's just me, but if we don't open some things up we're doomed to repeat the first half of the season... (I will say that Carolina's play calling was even worse than ours though...)

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

I did not think they could pull it off, but Campbell was solid...

I like the kid, and I'm glad he was able to help the team win in the end, but he made too many errant throws yesterday (AT HOME) to really say he was "solid".

True, but how long has he had to work on his timing with his receivers? If these issues continue next season, we should be concerned, but I think his accuracy will pick up with time. I believe he said the season-long completion percentage record his senior year at Auburn. Having a cannon of an arm is worthless if a QB can't be accurate, but I think that with time, JC will demonstrate power and accuracy.

Not to mention how many dropped passes our receivers had yesterday. I mean there were a few that would have went for touchdowns.

USAFSkinFan wrote:I'm sorry but the play calling is still handcuffing this offense... we're lucky we had field position on our side for a lot of that game because otherwise thows 3-and-outs early in the game would have killed us... the wide receiver screen, the shovel pass, the reverse... all stuffed... those are things you do when you've established your offense and the defense is on their heels, not when you're struggling just to get a first down... and those short yardage stiuations were terrible uninspired play calling... maybe it's just me, but if we don't open some things up we're doomed to repeat the first half of the season... (I will say that Carolina's play calling was even worse than ours though...)

Obviously, a lot of the playcalling is going to be limited by the fact we're working a new QB into the offense. It should get better with time. I see Campbell, and by extension the passing game, having a much better year next year, after he's had a full offseason and training camp as the starter.

xhadow wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

I did not think they could pull it off, but Campbell was solid...

I like the kid, and I'm glad he was able to help the team win in the end, but he made too many errant throws yesterday (AT HOME) to really say he was "solid".

True, but how long has he had to work on his timing with his receivers? If these issues continue next season, we should be concerned, but I think his accuracy will pick up with time. I believe he said the season-long completion percentage record his senior year at Auburn. Having a cannon of an arm is worthless if a QB can't be accurate, but I think that with time, JC will demonstrate power and accuracy.

Not to mention how many dropped passes our receivers had yesterday. I mean there were a few that would have went for touchdowns.

Good point. I counted at least three catchable balls dropped yesterday.

Mursilis wrote:

USAFSkinFan wrote:I'm sorry but the play calling is still handcuffing this offense... we're lucky we had field position on our side for a lot of that game because otherwise thows 3-and-outs early in the game would have killed us... the wide receiver screen, the shovel pass, the reverse... all stuffed... those are things you do when you've established your offense and the defense is on their heels, not when you're struggling just to get a first down... and those short yardage stiuations were terrible uninspired play calling... maybe it's just me, but if we don't open some things up we're doomed to repeat the first half of the season... (I will say that Carolina's play calling was even worse than ours though...)

Obviously, a lot of the playcalling is going to be limited by the fact we're working a new QB into the offense. It should get better with time. I see Campbell, and by extension the passing game, having a much better year next year, after he's had a full offseason and training camp as the starter.

they didn't exactly open it up with Brunell either... I get the feeling sometimes the coaching staff is so afraid to make mistakes, their afraid to think outside the box once in a while...

a quality win against a quality opponent... no question, at least in my mind, it was our best all around effort of the year. The defense played like a bunch of rabid dogs and got after Carolina all day long. D*mn, I love watching these guys play like they're capable. Jason Campbell showed he's got the tools to be a very good NFL QB. Ladell Betts and the O-line manhandled one of the best front sevens in the game. It's a great day in Redskin Nation. Yeah, it may have come a month too late, but at least they're worth watching, provided they can continue to play like this. I'll be happy, at this point, to finish in 2nd place in the NFC East. The Giants are dead in the water and Philly got their backs broken last night. It won't mean a thing, but it'll prove to me after it's all said and done that we worked our butts off and got it together at the end. I hate that Dallas is going to take what should rightfully be ours, but those are the breaks...Woulda, coulda, shoulda...

While Campbell didn't set the world on fire he made a couple of key plays that Brunell wouldn't have been able to make. We would have lost that game without J.C. at qb. Makes you wonder if we could have a few more wins this season had he started all along.

1fan4ramsey wrote:While Campbell didn't set the world on fire he made a couple of key plays that Brunell wouldn't have been able to make.

I don't know if I'm ready to believe that. For the most part, it looked like the same offense under Brunell, only with a taller QB.

Like you said, Campbell didn't light it up, but he certainly made a few key plays.

Now, I'm excited about the kid delivering a win as well, but if you were to change the number on the jersey, it wouldn't look too different of an output, IMO. (right down to the restlessness in the stands, and the calls for Joe to retire, streaming down from the "experts" in the Upper Level)

Campbell has a poise about him that Mark didnt have this year. The plays that JC made were doable by Brunell. The plays that didnt connect aren't doable by MB. Even though JC hasn't had success with the long ball yet, its not entirely his fault. He hasn't had the time to grow with the WR's yet. That deep ball is going to allow Betts to be a viable RB for us on the road to the playoffs.

With JC in, we're seeing the ball spread around. No more throws to Moss who is being covered by 4 defenders. Our TE's are getting more touches. We're getting a deep ball threat. We're getting a more mobile QB.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:1) With JC in, we're seeing the ball spread around.
2) No more throws to Moss who is being covered by 4 defenders.
3) Our TE's are getting more touches.
4) We're getting a deep ball threat.
5) We're getting a more mobile QB. (numbers added by me)

1) True dat. Unfortunately, too many balls hit the turf on Sunday. I understand it's some of the growing pains we have to go through, but, man, some of those really looked bad, and didn't eestablish any rhythm.

2) You're right, on one play, I saw JC wisely throw to Moss, who was covered by only three defenders. Was Moss even a factor int he passing game on Sunday? Hopefully he develops a rhythm with JC, the way he did with Brunell (last year).

3) I'd say the TE's are finally making catches. Perhaps it's the tighter spiral or something, but, so long as their not dropping them, as they were earlier in the year, it's all gravy. Overall, I think the receivng corps is stepping up because they know they HAVE to help out the young QB.

4) Deep ball down the middle. Yes. Though it's not like we're going deep on every single play (just like we didn't with MB under center). The good thing is that teams have to respect that.

5) Ahhhhh...precious youth. A young MB would run circles around JC, IMO. too bad it's no longer the 90's.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:With JC in, we're seeing the ball spread around. No more throws to Moss who is being covered by 4 defenders. Our TE's are getting more touches. We're getting a deep ball threat. We're getting a more mobile QB.

Exactly. And no more throws out of bounds, or just throwing the ball away. JC is at least giving the receivers a chance to make a play. I think once JC has had time to gel with the receivers, we will have a real threat in the passing game.

That touchdown to Randle El couldn't have been made by Brunell

1fan4ramsey wrote:That touchdown to Randle El couldn't have been made by Brunell

I really doubt the first down scramble either, not at his age now. I suppose I could live in the past and wish that this was still the '90s and Brunell was in his prime........but I won't.

I don't know if I'm ready to believe that. For the most part, it looked like the same offense under Brunell, only with a taller QB.

Like you said, Campbell didn't light it up, but he certainly made a few key plays.

Now, I'm excited about the kid delivering a win as well, but if you were to change the number on the jersey, it wouldn't look too different of an output, IMO. (right down to the restlessness in the stands, and the calls for Joe to retire, streaming down from the "experts" in the Upper Level)

I don't think that Brunell would've been able to make any of the throws that JC has for td's. Maybe the one to ey but I doubt that Brunell would've stepped up in the pocket the way JC did.

The biggest difference between JC and Brunell is the fact that JC will stand in the pocket, look downfield, and stand in there despite the rush. When he leaves the pocket he has a chance to actually complete a pass, unlike Brunell who would just toss the ball out of bounds. Unlike JC, Brunell had happy feet and left the pocket WAY too soon or threw the ball away. And even though JC and his receivers couldn't connect early in the game , the threat of the downfield pass kept the Panthers from stacking the line, thereby allowing Duckett and Betts to run effectively.

SkinzCanes wrote:

I don't know if I'm ready to believe that. For the most part, it looked like the same offense under Brunell, only with a taller QB.

Like you said, Campbell didn't light it up, but he certainly made a few key plays.

Now, I'm excited about the kid delivering a win as well, but if you were to change the number on the jersey, it wouldn't look too different of an output, IMO. (right down to the restlessness in the stands, and the calls for Joe to retire, streaming down from the "experts" in the Upper Level)

I don't think that Brunell would've been able to make any of the throws that JC has for td's. Maybe the one to ey but I doubt that Brunell would've stepped up in the pocket the way JC did.

The biggest difference between JC and Brunell is the fact that JC will stand in the pocket, look downfield, and stand in there despite the rush. When he leaves the pocket he has a chance to actually complete a pass, unlike Brunell who would just toss the ball out of bounds. Unlike JC, Brunell had happy feet and left the pocket WAY too soon or threw the ball away. And even though JC and his receivers couldn't connect early in the game , the threat of the downfield pass kept the Panthers from stacking the line, thereby allowing Duckett and Betts to run effectively.