i've been comparing this(arch) to when we got trotter a few years back. great player in johnson's scheme. comes to DC, was ok(mediocre) under lewis the first year, was crap the second year in yet a diferent scheme. back to philthy and a familiar system that works his strengths, and back to being an above average player.
when arch played for lovie smith in STL, he was an above average player. here in a different setup, he is way below average. my bet is that he will get cut, possibly traded(if perhaps hell freezes over). and i also would guess that chicago will be his first stop. we should have never interrupted that trip. and not saying arch is a bad player, he just doesn't fit here. thats the bottom line. it isn't good for us or him, if he stays a redskin.
people keep asking why williams doesn't change the system to use him, he has. thats part of the problem. he would have to change it even more for arch to be effective on every down, and truth is, we don't have the personell for that. last years defense was FAST, which arch isn't. arch doesn't play the fast man to man like we did last year. he plays better in zone coverage. our guys are more of a swarm to the ball type D, not a stay in a certain spot on the feild D. williams played zone a lot while arch was in.(also because spring was out) only after recently signing vincent, and getting springs back has he gone back to the man to man scheme, but it seems like the whole D is just confused altogether as where to be, or what is going on.
point being, it was probably a bad idea to change the style defense you run to suit one player's style. there are ten othe guys to think about, and playing to suit one player isn't exactly playing to the team's strength. that's why arch has been on the pine. it's easier to admit we made a mistake, cut one expensive player and move on, rather than changing half the guys on D to 'accomodate'.
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A lot of very good points hailskins especially as far as AA and the "system" is concerned. The other bad part of our D this season is the missed tackles. Now I understand that players wont make every tackle but what is so infuriating is to see a running back get hit behind the line or for very little gain and the next thing you know he has gotten 5 or 6 yards and in way too many times, a lot more.
What is particularly disapointing also is 2 things - the number of drives that opposing teams have started inside their 10 and we have not been able to get the ball back and the overall performance against the run. We seem to allow an incredible number of third and long - I do not know where we stand in the league but it is surely is a terrible feature of this defence.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
hailskins666 wrote:point being, it was probably a bad idea to change the style defense you run to suit one player's style. there are ten othe guys to think about, and playing to suit one player isn't exactly playing to the team's strength.
OK then. Great point. So, why was Gregg Williams so hyped about him??? This is GW's mistake and we are paying for it on defense. For that, HE musttake responsibility. Joe does not go nuts about hiring a safety.
. This is not the total of Skins problems on both sides of the ball. There are other problems on offense but that is another story...
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
hailskins666 wrote:point being, it was probably a bad idea to change the style defense you run to suit one player's style. there are ten othe guys to think about, and playing to suit one player isn't exactly playing to the team's strength.
OK then. Great point. So, why was Gregg Williams so hyped about him??? This is GW's mistake and we are paying for it on defense. For that, HE musttake responsibility. Joe does not go nuts about hiring a safety.
. This is not the total of Skins problems on both sides of the ball. There are other problems on offense but that is another story...
i think that brings us back to the point of needing a GM. i've been saying that for years. of course if you take a kid in a candy store, he's gonna go nuts. it's exactly what snyder does with our coaches..... sure we'll get you whoever you want, just name him. there needs to be an adult in there to slap the kids hand and say, 'no. one piece at a time'.
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That settle's it. AA is officially a dooshbag 1st he takes all that money then ruins our secondary along with friends old man springs and no chance kenny wright. And for the icing on the cake he has a girlfriend that makes me wish I was the sorry sob.
Now that we have him we cant waste it. He is a good player just needs more time. The fact that our starting corners werent healthy until midway through the season didnt help out the situation either. With solid corner play he can thrive in our system. Our whole Defense has stunk it up. Not to mention our crappy Dline production as well. Too many holes on Defense to blame it on AA. Give him more time if he continues to stink it up then we cut him loose.
While everyone was booing Brunell and blaming him for all of the woes, I've maintained for a long while now that the problems on this team are much deeper.
Since the 2004 season, Greg Williams has been granted god like status, and it looked to be earned....the defense was terrific. Since then however, we've seen a steady decline from 2nd in 2004, to 9th in 2005 and now......just plain ugly. Along the way, there have been disasterous roster moves which in hindsight, does acount for that decline.
The Adam Archuletta situation is a case study of what is wrong with the Redskins right now.....at least on defense. Each of the past three seasons we've watched solid players allowed to leave, being replaced by less capable players who in some cases like Archuletta, were dramatically higher paid, higher cost in terms of money and draft picks.
The recent AA benching is similar in nature to last year's Lavar Arrington situation when we witnessed a pro bowl line backer benched while a less capable less talented (Holdman) continued to play. It was only after LA returned to a prominent starting role did the Redskins manage a run for the playoffs last year.
There is an unhealthy level of arrogance and contradiction on the defensive coaching staff here that suggests that their "system" and not the "players" is responsible for whatever success is achieved, yet when things start to unravel, it's the players who are totally responsible for any failures.
You can find several examples of this from position to position. S. Taylor is yet another example of a hugely talented player who is not being utilized properly. His play recently has been atrocious. He is constantly out of position, and never seems able to defense deep threats as a free safety. Through 10 games, he has zero int's, and 3 passes defensed. This is because his talents would be more suited to playing LB or strong safety where his lack of coverage skills wouldn't be emphasized so dramatically. S. Taylor could be and should be a dominant figure at the point of attack, and not backed up in free safety coverage. This is an inexcusable mismanagement of personnel and talent.
Carlos Rodgers? Does anyone know if he can cover anyone? How can you tell when you have him constantly lined up 10 yards off the line on third and 5. In this era of no contact after 5 yards, you have to have your corners playing up on the line, disrupting and preventing recievers from having a free release into their routs, otherwise you just aren't going to be successful. If he's being lined up that way because he can't cover the deeper routs without such a buffer, then he isn't a starting corner, and shouldn't have been drafted as one.
Lamar Marshall played fine on the outside, but has not been able to replace Peirce in the middle. How can anyone allow their middle linebacker to just leave......and go to a division rival? Then follow up that bad move and allow another starting LB to go to the same division rival?
The list of horrific personnel moves is stagering. There is no other reasonable explanation for the decline of the defense. The schemes employed by Williams have been around forever....back in the Buddy Ryan days, so it is not a case of opposing offenses figuring out how to beat those schemes, it's about players ability to execute them, or the ability of coaches to teach that execution. Both of which seem to be missing now.
In the case of Archuletta, either his talent was grossly overestimated, or he is not being put in position to be successful. That cannot be the fault of anyone other than Williams......like all of the other roster moves that have taken the 2nd best defense in the league to the toilet in two short years.
On offense, we have a case of overhauling an engine that only needed a tune up. We saw in 2005 a dramatic increase with just the inclusion of Santana Moss in the line up. Another solid reciever on the other side for 2006, and more depth on the O-line would have produced far better results than this ill concieved overhaul that has ultimately backfired. Maybe the new "Saunders" system needs another year, and with Campbell, maybe it will work, but I dare say that in the NFC east, smash mouth running the football has always been the key......and I think Gibbs has eluded to that recently when talking to the press.
With such a high payroll, including the highest paid coaching staff in the NFL, I think the problem is "too many chiefs and not enough indians" at Redskin Park.
RayNAustin wrote:While everyone was booing Brunell and blaming him for all of the woes, I've maintained for a long while now that the problems on this team are much deeper.
Since the 2004 season, Greg Williams has been granted god like status, and it looked to be earned....the defense was terrific. Since then however, we've seen a steady decline from 2nd in 2004, to 9th in 2005 and now......just plain ugly. Along the way, there have been disasterous roster moves which in hindsight, does acount for that decline.
The Adam Archuletta situation is a case study of what is wrong with the Redskins right now.....at least on defense. Each of the past three seasons we've watched solid players allowed to leave, being replaced by less capable players who in some cases like Archuletta, were dramatically higher paid, higher cost in terms of money and draft picks.
The recent AA benching is similar in nature to last year's Lavar Arrington situation when we witnessed a pro bowl line backer benched while a less capable less talented (Holdman) continued to play. It was only after LA returned to a prominent starting role did the Redskins manage a run for the playoffs last year.
There is an unhealthy level of arrogance and contradiction on the defensive coaching staff here that suggests that their "system" and not the "players" is responsible for whatever success is achieved, yet when things start to unravel, it's the players who are totally responsible for any failures.
You can find several examples of this from position to position. S. Taylor is yet another example of a hugely talented player who is not being utilized properly. His play recently has been atrocious. He is constantly out of position, and never seems able to defense deep threats as a free safety. Through 10 games, he has zero int's, and 3 passes defensed. This is because his talents would be more suited to playing LB or strong safety where his lack of coverage skills wouldn't be emphasized so dramatically. S. Taylor could be and should be a dominant figure at the point of attack, and not backed up in free safety coverage. This is an inexcusable mismanagement of personnel and talent.
Carlos Rodgers? Does anyone know if he can cover anyone? How can you tell when you have him constantly lined up 10 yards off the line on third and 5. In this era of no contact after 5 yards, you have to have your corners playing up on the line, disrupting and preventing recievers from having a free release into their routs, otherwise you just aren't going to be successful. If he's being lined up that way because he can't cover the deeper routs without such a buffer, then he isn't a starting corner, and shouldn't have been drafted as one.
Lamar Marshall played fine on the outside, but has not been able to replace Peirce in the middle. How can anyone allow their middle linebacker to just leave......and go to a division rival? Then follow up that bad move and allow another starting LB to go to the same division rival?
The list of horrific personnel moves is stagering. There is no other reasonable explanation for the decline of the defense. The schemes employed by Williams have been around forever....back in the Buddy Ryan days, so it is not a case of opposing offenses figuring out how to beat those schemes, it's about players ability to execute them, or the ability of coaches to teach that execution. Both of which seem to be missing now.
In the case of Archuletta, either his talent was grossly overestimated, or he is not being put in position to be successful. That cannot be the fault of anyone other than Williams......like all of the other roster moves that have taken the 2nd best defense in the league to the toilet in two short years.
On offense, we have a case of overhauling an engine that only needed a tune up. We saw in 2005 a dramatic increase with just the inclusion of Santana Moss in the line up. Another solid reciever on the other side for 2006, and more depth on the O-line would have produced far better results than this ill concieved overhaul that has ultimately backfired. Maybe the new "Saunders" system needs another year, and with Campbell, maybe it will work, but I dare say that in the NFC east, smash mouth running the football has always been the key......and I think Gibbs has eluded to that recently when talking to the press.
With such a high payroll, including the highest paid coaching staff in the NFL, I think the problem is "too many chiefs and not enough indians" at Redskin Park.
I totally agree with your assesment on the arrogance of the D coaching staff. How in the world did we get rid of Arrington one the most beloved Redskins of all time man Im still ticked about that. We must! and I mean must get a linebacker of his caliber back.
RayNAustin wrote:While everyone was booing Brunell and blaming him for all of the woes, I've maintained for a long while now that the problems on this team are much deeper.
Since the 2004 season, Greg Williams has been granted god like status, and it looked to be earned....the defense was terrific. Since then however, we've seen a steady decline from 2nd in 2004, to 9th in 2005 and now......just plain ugly. Along the way, there have been disasterous roster moves which in hindsight, does acount for that decline.
The Adam Archuletta situation is a case study of what is wrong with the Redskins right now.....at least on defense. Each of the past three seasons we've watched solid players allowed to leave, being replaced by less capable players who in some cases like Archuletta, were dramatically higher paid, higher cost in terms of money and draft picks.
The recent AA benching is similar in nature to last year's Lavar Arrington situation when we witnessed a pro bowl line backer benched while a less capable less talented (Holdman) continued to play. It was only after LA returned to a prominent starting role did the Redskins manage a run for the playoffs last year.
There is an unhealthy level of arrogance and contradiction on the defensive coaching staff here that suggests that their "system" and not the "players" is responsible for whatever success is achieved, yet when things start to unravel, it's the players who are totally responsible for any failures.
You can find several examples of this from position to position. S. Taylor is yet another example of a hugely talented player who is not being utilized properly. His play recently has been atrocious. He is constantly out of position, and never seems able to defense deep threats as a free safety. Through 10 games, he has zero int's, and 3 passes defensed. This is because his talents would be more suited to playing LB or strong safety where his lack of coverage skills wouldn't be emphasized so dramatically. S. Taylor could be and should be a dominant figure at the point of attack, and not backed up in free safety coverage. This is an inexcusable mismanagement of personnel and talent.
Carlos Rodgers? Does anyone know if he can cover anyone? How can you tell when you have him constantly lined up 10 yards off the line on third and 5. In this era of no contact after 5 yards, you have to have your corners playing up on the line, disrupting and preventing recievers from having a free release into their routs, otherwise you just aren't going to be successful. If he's being lined up that way because he can't cover the deeper routs without such a buffer, then he isn't a starting corner, and shouldn't have been drafted as one.
Lamar Marshall played fine on the outside, but has not been able to replace Peirce in the middle. How can anyone allow their middle linebacker to just leave......and go to a division rival? Then follow up that bad move and allow another starting LB to go to the same division rival?
The list of horrific personnel moves is stagering. There is no other reasonable explanation for the decline of the defense. The schemes employed by Williams have been around forever....back in the Buddy Ryan days, so it is not a case of opposing offenses figuring out how to beat those schemes, it's about players ability to execute them, or the ability of coaches to teach that execution. Both of which seem to be missing now.
In the case of Archuletta, either his talent was grossly overestimated, or he is not being put in position to be successful. That cannot be the fault of anyone other than Williams......like all of the other roster moves that have taken the 2nd best defense in the league to the toilet in two short years.
On offense, we have a case of overhauling an engine that only needed a tune up. We saw in 2005 a dramatic increase with just the inclusion of Santana Moss in the line up. Another solid reciever on the other side for 2006, and more depth on the O-line would have produced far better results than this ill concieved overhaul that has ultimately backfired. Maybe the new "Saunders" system needs another year, and with Campbell, maybe it will work, but I dare say that in the NFC east, smash mouth running the football has always been the key......and I think Gibbs has eluded to that recently when talking to the press.
With such a high payroll, including the highest paid coaching staff in the NFL, I think the problem is "too many chiefs and not enough indians" at Redskin Park.
I totally agree with your assesment on the arrogance of the D coaching staff. How in the world did we get rid of Arrington one the most beloved Redskins of all time man Im still ticked about that. We must! and I mean must get a linebacker of his caliber back.
And see, everyone wants to poo-poo Tom Friend's article when Ray is pretty saying the same damn thing....
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Whatever Arch was brought in to do, he's not doing it. Oh yeah he's our super punt protection specialist...darn didn't someone get through and block a punt?
We just need to face it, signing him was a mistake...they happen...no reason to try and sugar coat it...we've had enough of that in Washington.
The Hogster wrote:Whatever Arch was brought in to do, he's not doing it. Oh yeah he's our super punt protection specialist...darn didn't someone get through and block a punt?
We just need to face it, signing him was a mistake...they happen...no reason to try and sugar coat it...we've had enough of that in Washington.
The Hogster wrote:Whatever Arch was brought in to do, he's not doing it. Oh yeah he's our super punt protection specialist...darn didn't someone get through and block a punt?
We just need to face it, signing him was a mistake...they happen...no reason to try and sugar coat it...we've had enough of that in Washington.
The Hogster wrote:Whatever Arch was brought in to do, he's not doing it. Oh yeah he's our super punt protection specialist...darn didn't someone get through and block a punt?
We just need to face it, signing him was a mistake...they happen...no reason to try and sugar coat it...we've had enough of that in Washington.
fyi, Sellers was at fault for that punt.
That makes it all worth it.
Nope, I was just correcting your mistake. He sucks enough on his own, he doesnt need other peoples suckage added onto his own.
The Hogster wrote:Whatever Arch was brought in to do, he's not doing it. Oh yeah he's our super punt protection specialist...darn didn't someone get through and block a punt?
We just need to face it, signing him was a mistake...they happen...no reason to try and sugar coat it...we've had enough of that in Washington.
fyi, Sellers was at fault for that punt.
There's a reason AA is placed as the last line of defense in front of the Punter's right foot... he shouldn't have moved to his left until the ball was gone or there was an immediate threat coming form that side... I'm not saying he's the only one to blame, but he is the safety on that play for just that reason...
Just watched the punt block on tape..it was AA's fault...reacted late and didtn't block the guy...Sellers could have gotten a better push on the guy, but thats what A's back there for. Not like there were two guys coming and he had to decide, he just got caught yawning.
Can't blame him though...I'm sure he was never the punt protect captain for the Rams.
Not so fast. . .we don't know what Danny Smith's blocking schemes are for the punt unit. AA may have been doing exactly what he should have according to the scheme.
I obviously don't really know either way, but I'm just saying. . .since Sellers took responsibility and all.
He's the safety protector though....if only one guy gets through, and AA doesn't block him, should he share some of the blame??? Im sure Sellers will take it on the chin for him with all he's been through...but really...I can't imagine that you would draw it up so that he lets the inside guy go like that...basic blocking principles are that you always pick up the inside guy first...in this case there was no other guy.
Punt protector guy is like a running back in pass protection...if a lineman gets beat..you have to pick up the free blitzer from the inside out.
.you can't let a guy blow past you, even if he does beat the guy ahead of him....Arch didn't even get a glove on the guy...and he's standing back there with the punter.
I can't say that I know all things special teams...but seems like he would get to the free guy and block him..just my opinon.
