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cvillehog wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I thought Brunell played pretty well. We criticize him for not having a gunslinger mentality...then we jump on him for throwing a few balls in there that were risky.

Not risky throws, BAD throws. There is a difference.

Brunell didn't sling anything anywhere. All of his medium/long passes had parachutes attached to them. I think no other WR on our roster could have made the catch that Lloyd made and we're lucky the Dallas DB's have Carlor Rogers syndrome.

Why, why, why does anyone still defend Brunell? He is horrible, pathetic, damning. He may be a nice guy but he cannot play anymore.

More important, what about next year? Do we have to go through this again next year? Ugh.

cleg wrote:Why, why, why does anyone still defend Brunell? He is horrible, pathetic, damning. He may be a nice guy but he cannot play anymore.

More important, what about next year? Do we have to go through this again next year? Ugh.

I am not sure there are a lot of "defenders" - I think that some here are just saying that we really want Campbell as our QB when Gibbs thinks it would be better for the team. I think that Gibbs knows more about which QB gives him the better chance to win.

Why, why, why do some here think this is about who is the better QB - as far as I can tell the only thing that we should be concerned about, is, which QB gives us the better chance to win. I think Gibbs knows that better than we do.

Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game but I am also very sure we would not have won that game with Campbell.

We will not see Brunell as our starting QB for much longer but I think that Gibbs thinks that Brunell gives him the better chance to win at this time and that playing Campbell earlier will not make him any better in the future. That's just my 2 cents. Obviously a lot of much more knowlegeable fans here disagree - I think Gibbs will keep starting Brunell to make all those fans mad

We keep hearing that there might be a possibility of Brunell starting next year I do not think even Redeemed thinks that Brunell will be starting next year.

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

Brunell is the "ball & chain" on this offense.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

He didn't do abolutely nothing...

He handed the ball to CP for a TD.
He threw a pass to a Cowboy that rolled into eys hands.
He ran out of bounds when we needed a 1st.
He botched a catchable snap.
He threw a pass to RR just to trick the cowboys into thinking he'd throw an interception.
He folded like a cheap chair before getting touched on a sack.
The coaches didnt trust him to throw a pass in the redzone.

Very well summed up CLL.

If Brunell goes, who is in line to take over?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

He didn't do abolutely nothing...

He handed the ball to CP for a TD.
He threw a pass to a Cowboy that rolled into eys hands.
He ran out of bounds when we needed a 1st.
He botched a catchable snap.
He threw a pass to RR just to trick the cowboys into thinking he'd throw an interception.
He folded like a cheap chair before getting touched on a sack.
The coaches didnt trust him to throw a pass in the redzone.

good points CLL - I was there and I think you also should have pointed out that Campbell was there also, helping us to win the game - he was on the sidelines taking notes and every time I looked I could tell he was learning from Brunell - that man is going to be great as soon as Gibbs thinks he can handle this team like Brunell

NCSkinsFan wrote:If Brunell goes, who is in line to take over?

Um....you're kidding, right?

Obviously it's JC.

He didn't do abolutely nothing...

He handed the ball to CP for a TD.
He threw a pass to a Cowboy that rolled into eys hands.
He ran out of bounds when we needed a 1st.
He botched a catchable snap.
He threw a pass to RR just to trick the cowboys into thinking he'd throw an interception.
He folded like a cheap chair before getting touched on a sack.
The coaches didnt trust him to throw a pass in the redzone.

Laughing Laughing

Don't forget the second drive in the game, when Brunell almost threw a pick in the endzone when he could've run for a first down instead. But that would've required him to actually get touched by a defensive player.

And don't forget the times he threw the ball so hard at ey's hands that he could not hold on to them. The drops were clearly Mark's fault.(note: ey's excellent at catching the soft balls thrown his way, as evidenced by his miracle touchdown)

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

You're right TRO - I was a little over zealous !

I really meant that Brunell did what he had too and even though that is not "good enough" for some here that is why he is in there instead of Campbell at this time. I am convinced we would not have won this game with Campbell - that is just my opinion.

Brunell did not block for Portis on that run, nor was he even on the field when Owens dropped the pass or Novak made the kick. Brunell is no more responsible for a loss than a win - that is just my opinion.

Campbell should get equal share of glory for the wins and be blamed for the losses - he wears the same uniform and is even listed at the same position.

This was a team win and even better because it came over the pukes.

Campbell will get to do his Brunell imitation soon enough and will most likely win a lot more games than Brunell ever did.
I think that this will not be because he is a better QB as much as this will be because he is a part of a better team.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

He's right. Though it probably wasn't the best phrasing. You took his point too literally. I think his point was that Brunell didn't make good individual plays that created the win.

Your misinterpretation of his point was a QB must be involved in the plays that lead to a win. Brunell sucked and was bailed out primarily by excellent receiver play. He did not make any spectacular throws, but the receivers made great efforts on poor throws. He made no other individual effort like a scrambling first down. He did throw in the vicinity and for a change hit most of the open receivers past the line of scrimage, but we're expecting that from a pro-QB.

If you still disagree, point to the plays he caused or any individual efforts that led to the win. His shortcomings have been well documented in this thread so I won't repeat those.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

He didn't do abolutely nothing...

He handed the ball to CP for a TD.
He threw a pass to a Cowboy that rolled into eys hands.
He ran out of bounds when we needed a 1st.
He botched a catchable snap.
He threw a pass to RR just to trick the cowboys into thinking he'd throw an interception.
He folded like a cheap chair before getting touched on a sack.
The coaches didnt trust him to throw a pass in the redzone.

You guys are desperate. You would have way more credibility in your criticism of Brunell if you didn't try and take EVERYTYING that he does and turn it into a negative.

I've gone on record in saying that Brunell is a liability, but you all sound like nagging housewives who are never satisfied. He played a decent game...get over the obsession, enjoy the win, and support him as long as he's our guy.

I choose to listen to Moss and Lloyd on Brunell.....and some of the staff members of this very site can attest that Brandon Lloyd's support and belief in Mark Brunell is genuine and not media garbage.

Brunell throws a TD, and all you can say is "Great catch by the receiver...or the defender should have intercepted that one!"

The guy can do no right by your standards unless he goes out there and throws for 300 yards every week.

To all of you youngsters who don't realize that you sound like nags....try this it will help you in life. If someone does something good for you, try thanking them before you moan and complain about what they didn't do. That just makes you a whiner.

Geez....a guy goes out cuts your grass....and trims your hedges...and the first thing you say is...well you didn't wash my car...so you suck.

Don't tell me I'm drinking the cool-aid or any of that...I am NO Brunell fan, but he's what we've got...and he's not doing as poorly as you all make it seem.

The Hogster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Brunell, IMO, had absolutely nothing to do with winning the game...

You lost all credibility in your post when you posted this.

Yup, absolutely nothing.

He didn't do abolutely nothing...

He handed the ball to CP for a TD.
He threw a pass to a Cowboy that rolled into eys hands.
He ran out of bounds when we needed a 1st.
He botched a catchable snap.
He threw a pass to RR just to trick the cowboys into thinking he'd throw an interception.
He folded like a cheap chair before getting touched on a sack.
The coaches didnt trust him to throw a pass in the redzone.

You guys are desperate. You would have way more credibility in your criticism of Brunell if you didn't try and take EVERYTYING that he does and turn it into a negative.

I've gone on record in saying that Brunell is a liability, but you all sound like nagging housewives who are never satisfied. He played a decent game...get over the obsession, enjoy the win, and support him as long as he's our guy.

I choose to listen to Moss and Lloyd on Brunell.....and some of the staff members of this very site can attest that Brandon Lloyd's support and belief in Mark Brunell is genuine and not media garbage.

Brunell throws a TD, and all you can say is "Great catch by the receiver...or the defender should have intercepted that one!"

The guy can do no right by your standards unless he goes out there and throws for 300 yards every week.

To all of you youngsters who don't realize that you sound like nags....try this it will help you in life. If someone does something good for you, try thanking them before you moan and complain about what they didn't do. That just makes you a whiner.

Geez....a guy goes out cuts your grass....and trims your hedges...and the first thing you say is...well you didn't wash my car...so you suck.

Don't tell me I'm drinking the cool-aid or any of that...I am NO Brunell fan, but he's what we've got...and he's not doing as poorly as you all make it seem.

So is any of what I said false? Yes or no.

cvillehog wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I thought Brunell played pretty well. We criticize him for not having a gunslinger mentality...then we jump on him for throwing a few balls in there that were risky.

Not risky throws, BAD throws. There is a difference.

You have an agenda...you're a chronic Brunell whiner. Tell me how a pass that is caught for a Touchdown, but fell just above a defender's fingers is a BAD throw.

Please draw the distinction between that throw and a bad interception ala Rex Grossman....the world awaits your contrived and negative response.

The Hogster wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I thought Brunell played pretty well. We criticize him for not having a gunslinger mentality...then we jump on him for throwing a few balls in there that were risky.

Not risky throws, BAD throws. There is a difference.

You have an agenda...you're a chronic Brunell whiner. Tell me how a pass that is caught for a Touchdown, but fell just above a defender's fingers is a BAD throw.

Please draw the distinction between that throw and a bad interception ala Rex Grossman....the world awaits your contrived and negative response.

Dude, that ball was in the defenders hands but he couldn't grasp the ball. The ball slid out of his hands and cooley was in prime position to catch it.
The announcers even said he should have thrown the ball earlier.
I remeber the announcers saying that he didn't get enough arm on the ball.

It wasn't just one ball he underthrew. He underthrew the catch to Lloyd who made an amazing catch despite it being 4 yards underthrown. He underthrew the pass that Roy Williams failed to catch.

People aren't complaining for nothing, this cat almost threw for interceptions. He had great protection yesterday.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If you still disagree, point to the plays he caused or any individual efforts that led to the win.

How bout the intangibles, like helping to keep the offense together despite all his "shortcomings" and playing from behind? Or how about (don't laugh), the GREAT play fake prior to the pitch to CP on his touchdown run.

The team executed the play flawlessly, and, one great B. Lloyd block later, CP was in for 6.

There are more intangibles in the game, but I don't wanna go back and forth on what he's done. I'll let the record speak for itself: 3-1 vs. the Pukes, since he "Reversed the Curse". Obviously, he's doing something right. Period.

The Hogster wrote:The guy can do no right by your standards unless he goes out there and throws for 300 yards every week.

To all of you youngsters who don't realize that you sound like nags....try this it will help you in life. If someone does something good for you, try thanking them before you moan and complain about what they didn't do. That just makes you a whiner.

Also for you youngsters, a few stats of star QBs:

Big Ben: 433 yds. , 1 TD, 3 INTS in a LOSS
Rexie: 18/42 210 yds. (more than Brunell's total), 1 TD, 3 INTS in...you guessed it, a LOSS
Bulger: Awesome numbers - 31/42, 354 yds, 1 TD in a LOSS

These guys outperformed the washed up QB in Washington, yet, he managed to walk away on Sunday with something these guys are probably pining for right now (especially Big Ben), a win.

Save your stats and clamors for a QB change. Brunell got the job done, and that's enough for me, ESPECIALLY following Dallas week.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:So is any of what I said false? Yes or no.

Yes.

It was a pitch, and NOT a handoff to Portis on his TD run.

Dont strain your back attempting to pick up what's left of your credibility, CLL.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I thought Brunell played pretty well. We criticize him for not having a gunslinger mentality...then we jump on him for throwing a few balls in there that were risky.

Not risky throws, BAD throws. There is a difference.

You have an agenda...you're a chronic Brunell whiner. Tell me how a pass that is caught for a Touchdown, but fell just above a defender's fingers is a BAD throw.

Please draw the distinction between that throw and a bad interception ala Rex Grossman....the world awaits your contrived and negative response.

Dude, that ball was in the defenders hands but he couldn't grasp the ball. The ball slid out of his hands and cooley was in prime position to catch it.
The announcers even said he should have thrown the ball earlier.
I remeber the announcers saying that he didn't get enough arm on the ball.

It wasn't just one ball he underthrew. He underthrew the catch to Lloyd who made an amazing catch despite it being 4 yards underthrown. He underthrew the pass that Roy Williams failed to catch.

People aren't complaining for nothing, this cat almost threw for interceptions. He had great protection yesterday.

Wah wah wah....almost is only good in horseshoes and darts.

By the way, you're a Brunell hater, but last year all we heard was Defense Defense Defense....your stellar D just fell to 30th overall....yet you still blame Brunell for everything?



Almost? C'mon you can do better than that. Brunell had one of the best TD to INT ratios last year, and he still does....so I guess the defenders have been "almost" catching his interceptions since 2005 huh?

Oh, and since you want to conveniently use the "almost" argument...I will stoop to that level and play along.

Chris ey "almost caught a 30 yarder down the middle which would have been another completion and another 30 yards to Brunell's total.

Brandon Lloyd had another 30 yarder called back on a penalty.

So Brunell "almost threw for 250 yards, just as easily as he "almost" threw 4 interceptions.

Just be fair and balanced....thats all...right now, you're not. And wasn't Troy Aikman calling the game??? And you're quoting what he said ? And we were playing the Cowboys?

Oh, yeah Micheal Irvin picked us to lose....you believe him too?

I DO blame Brunell for everything because he cannot get the balls to the receivers with consistency, he barely can hand the ball off without tripping over himself, he cannot read defenses anymore and gets sacked too much, he does not keep the offense on the field long enough for the defense to get rested, he is scared of the rush, he has no fire in his belly. So, yeah, I blame him.

The Hogster wrote:By the way, you're a Brunell hater,

Nope. Ive given him credit where its due. I call it as I see it.

The Hogster wrote: but last year all we heard was Defense Defense Defense....your stellar D just fell to 30th overall....yet you still blame Brunell for everything?

My defense, when did I claim them? Have I not given AA his share of grief?

The Hogster wrote:Almost? C'mon you can do better than that. Brunell had one of the best TD to INT ratios last year, and he still does....so I guess the defenders have been "almost" catching his interceptions since 2005 huh?

Yes, we may not get lucky drops by opposing defenses in the coming games. The fact is that dallas dropped some picks. ey dropped a pass. Those are facts, Im not making my points up. They're legit concerns.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Dont strain your back attempting to pick up what's left of your credibility, CLL.