John Kerry is the worst American ever!!

[Deadskins]

Wow....what a comeback....

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/so ... 0000000001

Any one of several posters here could have written that sign.

[ATV]

Yea, that's great. It sure is fun to suck-up to the Faux News machine by taking a verbal dump on of our war heroes simply because he was taken out of context. That's awesome, Cooter!

Here's a sign for those of you....

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse.14441070

[SkinsChic]

Taken out of context......that's what everyone says when they screw up.

[Irn-Bru]

Yea, that's great. It sure is fun to suck-up to the Faux News machine by taking a verbal dump on of our war heroes simply because he was taken out of context. That's awesome, Cooter!

Here's a sign for those of you....

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse.14441070

If it was Bush, even "out of context" (as half of his gaffs are), you'd be laughing. And so would I. Lighten up. . .

[ATV]

"out of context"

Bush's comments aren't taken out of context, they're taken for incompetency. How can you laugh at them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc40lUpq ... ed&search=

I shake my head. I'll save my laughing for November 7th.

[welch]

The worst...absolute worst? That might be overstating things, but Kerry makes me sick.

[crazyhorse1]

I don't normally get into political discussions..but what this guy said was way out of line.

If he had meant what you think he had meant, he would have been out of line. He didn't, however. He was talking about Bush. His speech read, If you don't study and learn in school, you end up getting US stuck in Iraq.

He was reading the speech and missed the word US, which as the NYT pointed out, was on his script. The intended reference was clear, He was talking about Bush in particular, not our soldiers.

[crazyhorse1]

thank you skinschic , kerry is horrible, and he spit on the uniform!

Try to be more informed. I agree that Kerry is a lot of negative things, but he clearly did not spit on anyone's uniform in that speech. He spit on Bush, which, frankly, is a pretty good place to spit.

[crazyhorse1]

I'm with you on this. I have yet to see an ad from a Democratic candidate in this area about their plan for Iraq, or where they stand on the issues. They all say the same thing:

Vote for me. My opponent <insert candidate name> is George Bush's best friend. You can't vote for him. Vote for me. George Bush doesn't even know my name.

It didn't work out for Kerry in '04, but the democratic party is banking on it again. If they want to win, leave Bush out of it and tell us what you think is the solution in Iraq. Tell us what you think we can do about social secrurity. What is your plan for taxes and homeland security. But nope. All we get is "I'm not Bush, so vote for me."

I wish we could do away with political parties all together and just have an election where anyone can run and the only way to get elected is to best represent the values of your costituents.

There's no way to leave Bush out of it. His incompetence and continued lying and various other personality disorders make him a greater threat to American freedom and security than any foreign enemy. So great is the need to remove him as a clear and present danger that the electorate's first objective should be to shackle him. If that means I have to vote for a democrat I don't like over a Republican I do like, then I'll have to do it.
These aren't ordinary times. If the democrats do absolutely nothing but hold Bush in check, they will have performed a tremendous service to our nation. Bush has the capacity to kill us all with his total lack of morality and icebergian stupity, nine tens of which is still hidden from view.

[Irn-Bru]

thank you skinschic , kerry is horrible, and he spit on the uniform!

Try to be more informed. I agree that Kerry is a lot of negative things, but he clearly did not spit on anyone's uniform in that speech. He spit on Bush, which, frankly, is a pretty good place to spit.

No, he clearly spat on the uniform with that joke. . .that's the reason why he had to apologize and call it a "botched joke" (in his words). He didn't apologize only for people's interpretations of what he said (although he maintained that the original intention was against Bush); he apologized for the joke itself.

In other words, he admited that what he said (not how people interpreted it) was wrong. It's nice that you're giving him the slack to take back its meaning. . .something tells me you wouldn't be so forgiving with other politicians. . .

[Irn-Bru]

Sorry, I somehow missed this post. . .

"out of context"

Bush's comments aren't taken out of context,

And neither were Kerry's remarks. He admits that the joke itself wasn't the right wording.


Now, don't get me wrong. . .you won't see me defending Bush here on any front. I just find it odd when fellow citizens base their humor on whether a Rep or a Dem tells, or is the subject of, the joke. In my view, the emporer--republican, democrat, or whatever--has no clothes.

[JansenFan]

I'm with you on this. I have yet to see an ad from a Democratic candidate in this area about their plan for Iraq, or where they stand on the issues. They all say the same thing:

Vote for me. My opponent <insert candidate name> is George Bush's best friend. You can't vote for him. Vote for me. George Bush doesn't even know my name.

It didn't work out for Kerry in '04, but the democratic party is banking on it again. If they want to win, leave Bush out of it and tell us what you think is the solution in Iraq. Tell us what you think we can do about social secrurity. What is your plan for taxes and homeland security. But nope. All we get is "I'm not Bush, so vote for me."

I wish we could do away with political parties all together and just have an election where anyone can run and the only way to get elected is to best represent the values of your costituents.

There's no way to leave Bush out of it. His incompetence and continued lying and various other personality disorders make him a greater threat to American freedom and security than any foreign enemy. So great is the need to remove him as a clear and present danger that the electorate's first objective should be to shackle him. If that means I have to vote for a democrat I don't like over a Republican I do like, then I'll have to do it.
These aren't ordinary times. If the democrats do absolutely nothing but hold Bush in check, they will have performed a tremendous service to our nation. Bush has the capacity to kill us all with his total lack of morality and icebergian stupity, nine tens of which is still hidden from view.

And that is the problem with the two-party system. Voting blindly for one party just because they aren't the other party is irresponsible at best. Glad to know people like this are responsible for educating our children.

[dnpmakkah]

If he would have said "those unable to navigate the country’s education system get stuck in the Military." then I would have a problem with that since it would infer that only dumb people join the military because they aren't capable of anything else.

But he said "those unable to navigate the country’s education system get stuck in Iraq.". I took that to mean that this war is unjust and illegal and the U.S. needs to get out of there NOW and only an uneducated person wouldn't realize that.

So I see no problem with what he said. It all depends on how you want to look at it. This was spun BIG TIME by the Republicans.

[crazyhorse1]

thank you skinschic , kerry is horrible, and he spit on the uniform!

Try to be more informed. I agree that Kerry is a lot of negative things, but he clearly did not spit on anyone's uniform in that speech. He spit on Bush, which, frankly, is a pretty good place to spit.

No, he clearly spat on the uniform with that joke. . .that's the reason why he had to apologize and call it a "botched joke" (in his words). He didn't apologize only for people's interpretations of what he said (although he maintained that the original intention was against Bush); he apologized for the joke itself.

In other words, he admited that what he said (not how people interpreted it) was wrong. It's nice that you're giving him the slack to take back its meaning. . .something tells me you wouldn't be so forgiving with other politicians. . .

He made the apology for purely political reasons. The dems had to get it off the front page pronto. It wouldn't have been a joke if he had intended it to apply to soldiers-- it would have been a highly critical remark against rich Republicans who don't send their kids off to war and recruiters who target poor areas where there are a lot of drop outs and sucker kids into signing up with small bonuses and gross misrepresentations. Kerry wasn't talking about deferments and other means by which the poor are given a disproportionate burden; he was talking about how Bush listened to no one, including Generals, and refused to learn anything about foreign affairs. He was clearly talking about Bush's poor intellectual performance in college and in office, trapping US in Iraq.
Kerry's gaff was leaving out the word US, which has been proven.

[crazyhorse1]

I'm with you on this. I have yet to see an ad from a Democratic candidate in this area about their plan for Iraq, or where they stand on the issues. They all say the same thing:

Vote for me. My opponent <insert candidate name> is George Bush's best friend. You can't vote for him. Vote for me. George Bush doesn't even know my name.

It didn't work out for Kerry in '04, but the democratic party is banking on it again. If they want to win, leave Bush out of it and tell us what you think is the solution in Iraq. Tell us what you think we can do about social secrurity. What is your plan for taxes and homeland security. But nope. All we get is "I'm not Bush, so vote for me."

I wish we could do away with political parties all together and just have an election where anyone can run and the only way to get elected is to best represent the values of your costituents.

There's no way to leave Bush out of it. His incompetence and continued lying and various other personality disorders make him a greater threat to American freedom and security than any foreign enemy. So great is the need to remove him as a clear and present danger that the electorate's first objective should be to shackle him. If that means I have to vote for a democrat I don't like over a Republican I do like, then I'll have to do it.
These aren't ordinary times. If the democrats do absolutely nothing but hold Bush in check, they will have performed a tremendous service to our nation. Bush has the capacity to kill us all with his total lack of morality and icebergian stupity, nine tens of which is still hidden from view.

And that is the problem with the two-party system. Voting blindly for one party just because they aren't the other party is irresponsible at best. Glad to know people like this are responsible for educating our children.

Wrong. I often vote for Republican candidates. I was a part of the Republican movement that destroyed the Democratic Byrd machine in Virginia. I also was an enemy of Kennedy and Johnson and became disgusted with Clinton's attacks on civil liberties. Further, I backed McCain for President for the last two elections.
You are in denial about the extreme nature of Bush's crimes, his threat to our Constitution, and the enabling Republican congress that has helped him destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Note: I don't educate children. I'm a full professor in a graduate program.
I'm also the author of two dozen books and plays and over 1500 articles. I've been writing about politics now for thirty-two years and have participated in many campaigns.

I have never seen or been made aware of an U.S. leader more stupid and dangerous than George Bush. This guy imprisons people indefinately without proper cause or trial, has created secret prisons, relentlessy spied on Americans and stolen elections, tortured prisoners, and disgraced our nation.

Further, there is no other major candidate in either party who is not vastly more qualified for public office than Bush is. Your pretense that other candidates don't have twice his capability and much better plans for the future is the kind of total nonsense one expects from Fox news. Any informed person can tell you what the proposals of other candidates are.
No one on either side of the aisle has said. "I'm not Bush, vote for me."

You build and straw dog from your own imagination, and then you set it on fire, expecting credit for smarts. It's that kind of thinking that got us into Iraq in the first place.

[JansenFan]

You just said that even if you like the republican candidate better, you still would vote for the demcrat because of your hatred for Bush. That has nothing to do with who I will vote for or what I believe.

You are a professor, so you should have a little knowledge of history. Do you remember when the Whigs were voted into office because they weren't Martin Van Buren. Problem was, they had no plan. As a result, they were an utter flop. IF the democrats gain control of the house and senate, and find themselves there without a plan, they will in effect, help elect a Republican as the next President.

Infer what you want from my dislike of the political system and the way that politcal campaigns are run, but it doesn't change the fact that it is inherently flawed and relies more on image than substance.

[UK Skins Fan]

On both sides of the Atlantic, it seems to me that politicians of all parties are attempting to define themselves by what they are not, rather than what they do stand for. This is a depressing and utterly demotivating fact for the interested voter, desperate to vote for a candidate who actually means something.

It seems to be happening with Democrats in the US ("please, be nice to me - after all, I'm not George Bush"), and it's certainly happening with the Conservatives over here (a party that's become so keen not to stand for anything that they are actually attempting a strategy based on "we believe in cutting taxes, but we won't cut taxes".

This is the sort of politics that makes people stay at home on pollng day.

[thaiphoon]

joebagadonuts said;

If you don't believe that Kerry, a vet himself, need I remind you, was aiming that comment at the Bush administration, and not the troops themselves, then you probably hated him before he said it. So, in the end, no loss for the rest of us.

RRiiiiiigghhhhtttt.... and its not like John Kerry has EVER slammed Us troops before ...

Last December 4, Kerry told Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation:

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women…"

Here is the link;

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_120405.pdf

Kerry told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971:

"We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of Orientals."

Here is the link;

http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp

Listen, Kerry's so-called "botched joke" excuse that was supposedly meant for Bush is bogus. Both graduated from Yale with basically the same GPA. Bush then earned an MBA from the Harvard Business School, An HBS MBA is no small feat and it compares nicely to Kerry's Boston College law degree. Based on their military entrance exams, Human Biodiversity Institute founder Steve Sailer calculated that Bush has an IQ of 123, while Kerry has a 120. So, even on its own terms, Kerry's "joke" is neither funny nor accurate.

Going further;

This so-called "botched joke" is very clearly not a joke. It's a warning. He's talking to students. He's telling them what can happen to them if they don't study hard. Is he warning them that they might someday be President and make decisions leading to a quagmire in Iraq? Of course not. He said --> You can get stuck in Iraq. Personally...

And people pick on Bush for mangling the English language (which he admittedly does when the cameras are rolling)???

The irony of this was that in an attempt to make a joke about how dumb Bush is, Kerry makes what is clearly the dumbest statement a politician could possibly make. Kerry's defense is that he mistakenly said something very dumb in an effort to say how dumb Bush is. Now thats irony.

[thaiphoon]

On both sides of the Atlantic, it seems to me that politicians of all parties are attempting to define themselves by what they are not, rather than what they do stand for. This is a depressing and utterly demotivating fact for the interested voter, desperate to vote for a candidate who actually means something.

Amen !!!

[tcwest10]

Hey, Tonto...you made a straw dog?
And burned it?
What the hell's the matter with you?

[ATV]

"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women…"

"We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of Orientals."

Umm, yea, and? Are these comments supposed to be bad or something?

Sorry, but judging the election results the American people (no, not you and all the Right Wingers, or "dead-enders" you might call them) no longer buy this brand of spew.

I'm sure you're a real military expert. Share with us how many Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, and Purple Hearts YOU'VE earned. Then share with us all the many hours of listening to Rush Limbaugh YOU'VE logged.

It know it must be difficult for you to respond with you being on the front lines in Iraq.

[thaiphoon]

ATV - settle down a bit...

Relax....

Breathe...

Ok lets go through your post...

Umm, yea, and? Are these comments supposed to be bad or something?

It shows that he has a habit of bad mouthing the military. Weren't you paying attention during his Winter Soldier business?

Sorry, but judging the election results the American people (no, not you and all the Right Wingers, or "dead-enders" you might call them) no longer buy this brand of spew.

It remains to be seen what we can discern from the election results this early. Most of the Dem gains were from conservative Democrats winnign their races and a general backlash against corruption.

I'm sure you're a real military expert. Share with us how many Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, and Purple Hearts YOU'VE earned.

I've never denigrated the military...Kerry has. Stick to the topic please. Prior military service (no matter how noble or ignoble your service was) does not give anyone the right to bad mouth the military.

Then share with us all the many hours of listening to Rush Limbaugh YOU'VE logged.

you'll be surprised that I rarely listen to him I work during the day and as such do not listen to the radio in my office.

It know it must be difficult for you to respond with you being on the front lines in Iraq.

If present service in Iraq is the qualifier for being able to expound on whether Kerry has dissed the military then why are you not saying the same thing to everyone else on this thread?? I would imagine that noone in this thread is currently serving in Iraq. Yet many have weighed in on the subject (as is their right as an American). You single me out... why?? I know why... partisan reasons. Its ok. I understand why you did it. Just invalidates your argument though. No biggie I could say the same to you...that since you aren't currently serving in Iraq you have no right to state your case either. But that would be ludicrous as civil discourse is allowed for all topics, not just the ones you'd like your opponents restricted to.

[Deadskins]

Thai, I have to disagree with you on several points.

1. I don't agree that the quotes you supplied "bad mouth the military," or that Kerry even does that.
2. This was a clean sweep by the Dems. What do I mean? Not a single Dem incumbent lost. So no, this was not about "conservative Democrats winnign [sic] their races and a general backlash against corruption," unless by corruption, you specifically meant Reps.
3. Kerry shows with his voting record that he supports the troops. I have no problem with him in that respect.

[thaiphoon]

1. I don't agree that the quotes you supplied "bad mouth the military," or that Kerry even does that.

Stating that our soldiers are terrorizing people is not bad mouthing?? Would you like to review the links? Would you like for me to go through his false testimony before Congress or his Winter Soldier involvement??

2. This was a clean sweep by the Dems. What do I mean? Not a single Dem incumbent lost. So no, this was not about "conservative Democrats winnign [sic] their races and a general backlash against corruption," unless by corruption, you specifically meant Reps.

Look at the Democrats who won very close races (about 18-22 races were decided by 2% or less). Most of the incoming freshman house Democrats are "blue-dog" conservatives (i.e. - Shuler). And yes I was referring to Repub corruption scandals (though we can't forget the Democrat from Louisiana caught with like $75,000 in his freezer or Harry Reids shady land deals and failure to disclose it can we?)

3. Kerry shows with his voting record that he supports the troops. I have no problem with him in that respect.

Voting against a supplemental $87 billion dollar package to support the troops isn't exactly "supporting" them is it??

[Deadskins]

I'll take the IAVA's word over your propaganda rehash any day.
http://capwiz.com/iava/bio/?id=298&lvl=C&chamber=S