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SkinzCanes wrote:Brian Mitchell: "Whoever thought that AA could play in this system needs to be fired."

Damm, I was calling B. Mitch a fool earlier in the season, but his predictions were right on.

unter13 wrote:the celebrating penalties are bull. the officals are killings us a times. it's like they hate us. dan snyder has done something to make the nfl and their officiating to really really hate us.

I am beginning to come around tto your school of thought. You never see other teams get called for some of the BS we get called for. The whole excessive celebration penalty rule is total BS. The NFL is getting to soft. There is no reason running into a field goal post pad and falling backwards is excessive celebration. What about those on the defense who celebrate after a sack or a key tackle. I like the celebrations. I like seeing what Chad Johnson will do after his next TD.

DEHog wrote:Is it true AA wanted to be a Bear..but DS wrote a big check to stop him from visiting Chicago??

Id say its 90% probable.

SkinzCanes wrote:

You can't do anything on your back huh. I guess you got to look real deep in the rule book for that one. go away

I know it may be difficult for you to follow but give it your best shot.....For 2006: "Individual players are prohibited from using foreign objects or the football while celebrating. They are also prohibited from engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official. Previously, players were not prohibited from using props or celebrating on the ground.
Reason for the change: Promotes sportsmanship.

Randle El fell to the ground and that's why he got penalized.

Before you know it, this league will be so PC that getting tackled in the end zone will be considered "unintentional excessive celebration." Unreal! This league has coddled these players way to much. No, the hit on Peyton should not have penalized. in fact, I would like to see more hits like that. Nothing wrong with them.

I don't think anyone should be fired.

If Gibbs wants another season after this one I believe he'll work as hard as ever and could be successful. I also think that he's a great coach, and while every coach has some down years the good ones almost always bounce back.

Gregg Williams' D is having an off-year but I don't see why he couldn't fix it. It's clear that things went wrong this year, and I've got a lot of confidence that he's the man to fix it all.

As for Saunders. . .everyone knew that it would take upwards of a year to master the system, but it seems that few fans have the patience to be content to watch it develop. This reminds me of Gibbs' first year back in '04. Give him time, and give the players time. We're going to see the tipping point, and after that, this team will be very hard to stop offensively (we'll have Campbell playing before too long, as well).

Why fire anyone? Who is going to replace them? So much criticism is laid on Danny for acting too quickly but then threads like this come up as soon as the Skins hit a rough patch.

I can see the need for a GM, but I don't see why anyone should be fired. Give them time, let them fix this team. . .in my opinion patience would be rewarded.

Irn-Bru wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired.

Fired....I know I said the scouting dept earlier but I take that back. A GM needs to be hired.

Irn-Bru wrote:If Gibbs wants another season after this one I believe he'll work as hard as ever and could be successful.

He has forever in my book.

Irn-Bru wrote:Gregg Williams' D is having an off-year but I don't see why he couldn't fix it. It's clear that things went wrong this year, and I've got a lot of confidence that he's the man to fix it all.

I dont have that confidence? How are we going to fix it? 10 more free agents? We dont have any draft picks left. Its nothing against Gregg.

Irn-Bru wrote:As for Saunders. . .everyone knew that it would take upwards of a year to master the system, but it seems that few fans have the patience to be content to watch it develop.

But why watch is develop 2 years in a row? Why watch MB04 struggle just to have him benched next year and have to watch JC07 struggle too? I agreed that MB05 gave us the best chance to win in 2006 but he's turned into MB04 and well...2-5.

Irn-Bru wrote:This reminds me of Gibbs' first year back in '04. Give him time, and give the players time.

Thats the problem, we dont give our players enough time and/or money. We piss them away at the slighest twitch of their mouths asking for a raise.

Us. Like the monk says: "Blame ourselves."

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired.

Fired....I know I said the scouting dept earlier but I take that back. A GM needs to be hired.

We have a GM he's playing coach right now, Gibbs signed a 5 year contract that basically to most/if not all of "the Danny's" outright decision making when it came to personnel. In a year or so he be in the front office full time

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:If Gibbs wants another season after this one I believe he'll work as hard as ever and could be successful.

He has forever in my book.

I don't think he gave hisself that much time and I'm thinking he may shorten the time frame that he did give himself

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Gregg Williams' D is having an off-year but I don't see why he couldn't fix it. It's clear that things went wrong this year, and I've got a lot of confidence that he's the man to fix it all.

I dont have that confidence? How are we going to fix it? 10 more free agents? We dont have any draft picks left. Its nothing against Gregg.

A bye week will help, Springs can get to full speed, Rogers will be back, Griff and Big Joe will be healthy again, LeMar Marshall should be ready to go, M. Washington is playing hurt and could use the rest. That's half the starters from last year that should be ready to hit the field after this bye, GW hasn't had all of these avaiable at the sametime all year. Carter is getting comfortable and Vincent may force AA to step up or sit down. I'm taking a wait and see on this one.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:As for Saunders. . .everyone knew that it would take upwards of a year to master the system, but it seems that few fans have the patience to be content to watch it develop.

But why watch is develop 2 years in a row? Why watch MB04 struggle just to have him benched next year and have to watch JC07 struggle too? I agreed that MB05 gave us the best chance to win in 2006 but he's turned into MB04 and well...2-5.

2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:This reminds me of Gibbs' first year back in '04. Give him time, and give the players time.

Thats the problem, we dont give our players enough time and/or money. We piss them away at the slighest twitch of their mouths asking for a raise.

When Gibbs came back he "slotted" salaries based on the salaries of players here and when a player wanted more than what was slotted for that position he looked elsewhere. I keep hearing how AA is the highest paid saftey in the NFL. How? because that's what someone wrote? He got a huge contract but it wasn't all up front. That's what chased players away they wanted big upfront money. Gibbs would gve you a lot upfront but it's worded so it's paid out over 2-3 years. AA may be gone next year, we'll take about $2million in deadcap but save about $3M in actuall cap space next year. That would put his salary for this year below a lot of safteies in the league.

Irn-Bru wrote:I don't think anyone should be fired.

If Gibbs wants another season after this one I believe he'll work as hard as ever and could be successful. I also think that he's a great coach, and while every coach has some down years the good ones almost always bounce back.

Gregg Williams' D is having an off-year but I don't see why he couldn't fix it. It's clear that things went wrong this year, and I've got a lot of confidence that he's the man to fix it all.

As for Saunders. . .everyone knew that it would take upwards of a year to master the system, but it seems that few fans have the patience to be content to watch it develop. This reminds me of Gibbs' first year back in '04. Give him time, and give the players time. We're going to see the tipping point, and after that, this team will be very hard to stop offensively (we'll have Campbell playing before too long, as well).

Why fire anyone? Who is going to replace them? So much criticism is laid on Danny for acting too quickly but then threads like this come up as soon as the Skins hit a rough patch.

I can see the need for a GM, but I don't see why anyone should be fired. Give them time, let them fix this team. . .in my opinion patience would be rewarded.

I understand your call for patience, faith in Joe to fix it, etc., but as educated a fan as you seem to be, does not this start stand in stark contrast to Gibbs I? As I posted in the gameday thread, by this point in his first term, Gibbs already had a Super Bowl title, and was on his way to his second Super Bowl appearance (his only loss, vs. the Raiders). Sure, he had his struggles in his first season of his first term (0-5), but made enough of the famous Joe Gibbs adjustments to finish that season 8-8. By his third season, Gibbs' team was a juggernaut - they went 14-2 in the regular season, and those two losses were by 1 POINT each! By the end of his third year, Gibbs' win percentage was ~.800. By the end of this year, he'll be lucky to make .500, and has nothing more to show for it but an empty draft and one playoff win (which is looking more and more like a fluke every day). I don't think firing Gibbs is the answer, but I don't think it's crazy to seriously question if he has 'it' any more either.

Mursilis wrote:I understand your call for patience, faith in Joe to fix it, etc., but as educated a fan as you seem to be, does not this start stand in stark contrast to Gibbs I? As I posted in the gameday thread, by this point in his first term, Gibbs already had a Super Bowl title, and was on his way to his second Super Bowl appearance (his only loss, vs. the Raiders). Sure, he had his struggles in his first season of his first term (0-5), but made enough of the famous Joe Gibbs adjustments to finish that season 8-8. By his third season, Gibbs' team was a juggernaut - they went 14-2 in the regular season, and those two losses were by 1 POINT each! By the end of his third year, Gibbs' win percentage was ~.800. By the end of this year, he'll be lucky to make .500, and has nothing more to show for it but an empty draft and one playoff win (which is looking more and more like a fluke every day). I don't think firing Gibbs is the answer, but I don't think it's crazy to seriously question if he has 'it' any more either.

That was more than a decade ago. Times change, rules change, they even threw in a CBA. You waited 15 years just to say you don't think he has it anymore? He's almost halfway through a 5 year contract, after taking over a terrible team.

1niksder wrote:We have a GM he's playing coach right now, Gibbs signed a 5 year contract that basically to most/if not all of "the Danny's" outright decision making when it came to personnel. In a year or so he be in the front office full time

Maybe he's not cut out for the job. I love him as a coach but as GM...Im not sure.

1niksder wrote:I'm taking a wait and see on this one.

I was looking further down the line than you but I agree.

1niksder wrote:2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

I hear you but how many more excuses will we have before its been 6 years and he hasn't played. When are things ever going to be perfect for him to come in?

1niksder wrote:That would put his salary for this year below a lot of safteies in the league.

Thanks for the insight. So Im wrong in my belief that he's overpaid currently.

Regardless if they overpay or not. It was a horrible acquisition, one that I never endorsed.

Frustrating.

1niksder wrote:

Mursilis wrote:I understand your call for patience, faith in Joe to fix it, etc., but as educated a fan as you seem to be, does not this start stand in stark contrast to Gibbs I? As I posted in the gameday thread, by this point in his first term, Gibbs already had a Super Bowl title, and was on his way to his second Super Bowl appearance (his only loss, vs. the Raiders). Sure, he had his struggles in his first season of his first term (0-5), but made enough of the famous Joe Gibbs adjustments to finish that season 8-8. By his third season, Gibbs' team was a juggernaut - they went 14-2 in the regular season, and those two losses were by 1 POINT each! By the end of his third year, Gibbs' win percentage was ~.800. By the end of this year, he'll be lucky to make .500, and has nothing more to show for it but an empty draft and one playoff win (which is looking more and more like a fluke every day). I don't think firing Gibbs is the answer, but I don't think it's crazy to seriously question if he has 'it' any more either.

That was more than a decade ago. Times change, rules change, they even threw in a CBA. You waited 15 years just to say you don't think he has it anymore? He's almost halfway through a 5 year contract, after taking over a terrible team.

The Saints were a terrible team last year (3-13), but a new coach has them at 5-1 now. The N.Y. Jets were a terrible team last year (4-12), but some rookie head coach already has equalled that win total (4-3) with nine more games to play. The Rams were disappointing last year at 7-9, but they're looking better at 4-2 now with a new head coach. Marvin Lewis rolled into Cinncy a few years back to take over the Bungles (a team which had posted a losing season 11 times in the past 12 years - you want to talk terrible), and hasn't finished worse than 8-8 since, including a playoff appearance.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

1niksder wrote:2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

I hear you but how many more excuses will we have before its been 6 years and he hasn't played. When are things ever going to be perfect for him to come in?

To echo CLL, how long are we going to allow JC, a first-round draft pick (plus two other picks in trade), to sit on the bench, gathering dust? Is it not wasteful to select a player in the first round and not even use him?!?! Troy Aikman said during yesterday's game that he saw no reason JC shouldn't be in there, and he didn't even think he'd be a downgrade! Tony Dungee called Brunell "inconsistent", and that's just because Dungee is a nice guy and had to suger-coat it. B. Mitchell, Riggins, and several other former players have repeatedly questioned why Brunell is in there, and most commentators have questioned it as well. Is there one knowledgible football person NOT in the Redskins organization who thinks Brunell over Campbell was, and continues to be, the right call? I have yet to hear from such a person.

In all actuality, I think it all hinges on Brunell. Al Saunders has a system that worked in St. Louis and Kansas City and it now looks like crap in Washington, let's face it the offense with the exception of the wideouts aren't the type to make this offence work, they need tackles that can do more than punish straight ahead, they need finesse and both Samuels and Jansen aren't the ones. The QB, you need a fairly mobile QB, Brunell isn't mobile anymore and to me looks forever scared back there, like a deer in headlights, things have to happen because it's pathetic, if your the offensive coordinator you should have the power and the right to start who YOU feel would give your offense the best chance to win, Maybe if it was Gibbs offense it might be Brunell, however this new offense isn't made to Brunell's physical attrimen so we are set up to fail. It shouldn't take 7 games to realize this from a HOF coach and all the coaches under him. This team is set up to fail and the offense and defense is not tight, appears not to have any chemistry and I bet before long this whole team will divide, and I am willing to bet you that LaVar, Antonio, Fred, Walt are all laughing at the state of Redskins Park because I know I am and I have to few this as a comical season all this knowledge and greatness and they refuse to see what the problem is even though it's biting them in the butt every Sunday. This entire franchise is in serious trouble and the every other yearly roster retooling is crazy. But hey Gibbs and company have some super smart character guys!! What a crock of crap.

I remember the good wrote:In all actuality, I think it all hinges on Brunell. Al Saunders has a system that worked in St. Louis and Kansas City and it now looks like crap in Washington, let's face it the offense with the exception of the wideouts aren't the type to make this offence work, they need tackles that can do more than punish straight ahead, they need finesse and both Samuels and Jansen aren't the ones. The QB, you need a fairly mobile QB, Brunell isn't mobile anymore and to me looks forever scared back there, like a deer in headlights, things have to happen because it's pathetic, if your the offensive coordinator you should have the power and the right to start who YOU feel would give your offense the best chance to win, Maybe if it was Gibbs offense it might be Brunell, however this new offense isn't made to Brunell's physical attrimen so we are set up to fail. It shouldn't take 7 games to realize this from a HOF coach and all the coaches under him. This team is set up to fail and the offense and defense is not tight, appears not to have any chemistry and I bet before long this whole team will divide, and I am willing to bet you that LaVar, Antonio, Fred, Walt are all laughing at the state of Redskins Park because I know I am and I have to few this as a comical season all this knowledge and greatness and they refuse to see what the problem is even though it's biting them in the butt every Sunday. This entire franchise is in serious trouble and the every other yearly roster retooling is crazy. But hey Gibbs and company have some super smart character guys!! What a crock of crap.

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

1niksder wrote:2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

I hear you but how many more excuses will we have before its been 6 years and he hasn't played. When are things ever going to be perfect for him to come in?

To echo CLL, how long are we going to allow JC, a first-round draft pick (plus two other picks in trade), to sit on the bench, gathering dust? Is it not wasteful to select a player in the first round and not even use him?!?! Troy Aikman said during yesterday's game that he saw no reason JC shouldn't be in there, and he didn't even think he'd be a downgrade! Tony Dungee called Brunell "inconsistent", and that's just because Dungee is a nice guy and had to suger-coat it. B. Mitchell, Riggins, and several other former players have repeatedly questioned why Brunell is in there, and most commentators have questioned it as well. Is there one knowledgible football person NOT in the Redskins organization who thinks Brunell over Campbell was, and continues to be, the right call? I have yet to hear from such a person.

I'm not defending Brunell... I said last week that I had no problem with going to Campbell... but that just would have got our young quarterback killed or maimed this weekend. I don't care how good he might be... he's going to need to adjust to the speed of the game for a little bit and if the left tackle is going to give the right end a pass tothe qb on every play... then I'm afraid that's just going to actually kill a right-handed quarterback.

Like i said... were it not for Brunell being left-handed yesterday, the QB would have NEVER seen Freeney coming and would have likely spent most of the day picking his chicklets out of the grass. Brunell may not be picking up reads quick enough, but when the end is meeting the QB before the end of his 5-step drop, he doesn't have a lot of time. Why do you think we went to 3-step drops?

I'm all for starting Campbell but if the line is going to offer the type of protection they did Sunday, you're going to see Jason Campbell for about 3 plays before someone breaks his back.

DEHog wrote:Is it true AA wanted to be a Bear..but DS wrote a big check to stop him from visiting Chicago??

Maybe they could trade him to Chicago for third round pick. Wait no one would be stupid enough to give up a third round pick for AA and the over $8 million left of his signing bonous would make it impossible.

Oh, I know, maybe we could trade him and a 3rd rounder to Pburge for Clark. Oh wait we gave up our 3rd for a guy that isn't playing.

Maybe, Troy Vincent will be able to start against Dallas and AA can play the the nickel or beter yet the dime DB.

1niksder wrote:2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

well said! IMO, we have players not playing to their ability and not executing the game plan.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I hear you but how many more excuses will we have before its been 6 years and he hasn't played. When are things ever going to be perfect for him to come in?

I think we will see Campbell sooner than that - I am almost positive that Gibbs just wants to have the surrounding players playing better rather than have Campbell come in with the level of play we have seen recently.

Mursilis wrote:.. how long are we going to allow JC to sit on the bench, gathering dust?

What makes you think he is gathering dust? I am sure that he is getting ready to play - I am sure that as soon as Gibbs thinks the other players will start to play the way they are able to we will see Gibbs make the QB change that we all expect. I am a Campbell supporter because I think Gibbs is very high on this kid BUT I think he will not be brought in until Gibbs sees the rest of the supporting cast on offense start to get their asses in gear!

Troy Aikman said during yesterday's game that he saw no reason JC shouldn't be in there, and he didn't even think he'd be a downgrade! Tony Dungee called Brunell "inconsistent", and that's just because Dungee is a nice guy and had to suger-coat it. B. Mitchell, Riggins, and several other former players have repeatedly questioned why Brunell is in there, and most commentators have questioned it as well. Is there one knowledgible football person NOT in the Redskins organization who thinks Brunell over Campbell was, and continues to be, the right call? I have yet to hear from such a person.

all these so called "informed" people are not actually seeing what Gibbs and Saunders are seeing in the game film AND on the practice field. Patience - Gibbs and Saunders will get this fixed

BossHog wrote:..I'm not defending Brunell... I said last week that I had no problem with going to Campbell... but that just would have got our young quarterback killed or maimed this weekend. I don't care how good he might be... he's going to need to adjust to the speed of the game for a little bit and if the left tackle is going to give the right end a pass tothe qb on every play... then I'm afraid that's just going to actually kill a right-handed quarterback.
Like i said... were it not for Brunell being left-handed yesterday, the QB would have NEVER seen Freeney coming and would have likely spent most of the day picking his chicklets out of the grass. Brunell may not be picking up reads quick enough, but when the end is meeting the QB before the end of his 5-step drop, he doesn't have a lot of time. Why do you think we went to 3-step drops?
I'm all for starting Campbell but if the line is going to offer the type of protection they did Sunday, you're going to see Jason Campbell for about 3 plays before someone breaks his back.

I agree - I think we will see Campbell and soon. I just think it has more to do with the other offensive players than Gibbs not wanting to make a change.

We have a lot of problems on this team right now and just switching the QB is not going to help any of the defensive concerns IMHO.

Seems to me that Gibbs needs to get some type of drill sargeant in there to make these primadona
s understand this isn't acceptable. It starts at the top and Gibbs needs to smack himself, it's 2006 Joe not 1991.

SkinzCanes wrote:

You can't do anything on your back huh. I guess you got to look real deep in the rule book for that one. go away

I know it may be difficult for you to follow but give it your best shot.....For 2006: "Individual players are prohibited from using foreign objects or the football while celebrating. They are also prohibited from engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official. Previously, players were not prohibited from using props or celebrating on the ground.
Reason for the change: Promotes sportsmanship.

Randle El fell to the ground and that's why he got penalized.

I know this may be difficult for you to do but stop being such a Bleep. You act as if this is common knowledge. The only thing announcers have said is you can't Choreography dances with your teammates and perform them on the field to show up your opponent. Not one of them as ever said, "make sure you don't end up on your back during your super cool endzone dance." I'm sure at some point during this season another player from another team has fallen on his back during some sort of celebration and nothing was called. All I''m saying is some rules or parts of rules are just overlooked in the rule book in the common NFL game, but not when the Redskins take the field. This same penalty was called a couple of weeks ago when Llyod picked up Moss after a touchdown. Your telling me that wasn't crap also. I'm not saying this had anything to do with the Skins getting spanked in the second half. Where just getting flaged way to easy for things that go on in the NFL all the time. I'm also guessing you sided with the refs when they called Shawn Talyor for Unnecessary roughness to keep the drive alive for Minnesota. It's ok if your daddy is a referee, you just need to stand up to him sometimes.

P.S. Let's go Jason Campbell, I want to see the opposing defense take a step back or two.

BossHog wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

1niksder wrote:2-5 is less than half a season and again Jason gets a new scheme every year would it really be fair to throw him out there now with the way the team is playing (players are still admitting that they are running the wrong routes on some plays)

I hear you but how many more excuses will we have before its been 6 years and he hasn't played. When are things ever going to be perfect for him to come in?

To echo CLL, how long are we going to allow JC, a first-round draft pick (plus two other picks in trade), to sit on the bench, gathering dust? Is it not wasteful to select a player in the first round and not even use him?!?! Troy Aikman said during yesterday's game that he saw no reason JC shouldn't be in there, and he didn't even think he'd be a downgrade! Tony Dungee called Brunell "inconsistent", and that's just because Dungee is a nice guy and had to suger-coat it. B. Mitchell, Riggins, and several other former players have repeatedly questioned why Brunell is in there, and most commentators have questioned it as well. Is there one knowledgible football person NOT in the Redskins organization who thinks Brunell over Campbell was, and continues to be, the right call? I have yet to hear from such a person.

I'm not defending Brunell... I said last week that I had no problem with going to Campbell... but that just would have got our young quarterback killed or maimed this weekend. I don't care how good he might be... he's going to need to adjust to the speed of the game for a little bit and if the left tackle is going to give the right end a pass tothe qb on every play... then I'm afraid that's just going to actually kill a right-handed quarterback.

Like i said... were it not for Brunell being left-handed yesterday, the QB would have NEVER seen Freeney coming and would have likely spent most of the day picking his chicklets out of the grass. Brunell may not be picking up reads quick enough, but when the end is meeting the QB before the end of his 5-step drop, he doesn't have a lot of time. Why do you think we went to 3-step drops?

I'm all for starting Campbell but if the line is going to offer the type of protection they did Sunday, you're going to see Jason Campbell for about 3 plays before someone breaks his back.

Cmon. Brunnel isn't have the athlete that Campbell is. If he didnt get killed then Campbell won't. There are sooo many young QBs starting around the league now. We HAVE to see what we have. The sooner you find out the better position we will be in to get a solid starter if he can't play. Look at New Orleans now with Brees. How great would it be to have him?

I think you're missing my point. Brunell is a left-handed quarterback, Jason Campbell is a right-handed quarterback. If Samuels were blocking the QB's blind-side... and Freeney had been getting through like he was... JC wouldn't even have seen him most times... certainly not in his first game while he's trying to get a feel for the speed of the pro game.

I'm not arguing Campbell's skillset. But he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head and it'll take a little time for him to develop pro pocket awareness to the point where he 'feels' that rush on a regular basis.

And he could get broken in half before then.

I'm not defending Brunell, I'm not saying I don't agree with a change, I'm saying that 'fixing' the QB situation won't mean jack if the blind-side tackle can't stop the rush end. The quarterback will get smoked.

BossHog wrote:I'm not defending Brunell... I said last week that I had no problem with going to Campbell... but that just would have got our young quarterback killed or maimed this weekend. I don't care how good he might be... he's going to need to adjust to the speed of the game for a little bit and if the left tackle is going to give the right end a pass tothe qb on every play... then I'm afraid that's just going to actually kill a right-handed quarterback.

Like i said... were it not for Brunell being left-handed yesterday, the QB would have NEVER seen Freeney coming and would have likely spent most of the day picking his chicklets out of the grass. Brunell may not be picking up reads quick enough, but when the end is meeting the QB before the end of his 5-step drop, he doesn't have a lot of time. Why do you think we went to 3-step drops?

I'm all for starting Campbell but if the line is going to offer the type of protection they did Sunday, you're going to see Jason Campbell for about 3 plays before someone breaks his back.

I agree with most of what you said but I think that him getting killed should be put into his hands (effective use of his mobility) and the hands of Al Saunders to call the game to take advantage of his strengths and to max protect.

For instance: roll him out or keep Portis and/or Sellers back to help with blocking and then have Portis chip and flare out to the wing as a safety valve while Sellers stays in to block. Also, run, run, run... That's not hard to pivot and hand off.

The only way we will see if Campbell is any good is for him to play. One poster on this board mentioned what Keenan McCardell said about Philip Rivers and that no one except Marty or one coach knew how good he was or could be because he only took 2nd team or scout team snaps... It wasn't until he was put in the starting lineup that they really saw how good or bad he could be. At this point, what's the worst we could do? This team, right now, does not have the stones to run the table so the playoffs are like that sport bike zooming out on 66. You see it but then it zips in front of you and then out of sight.

BossHog wrote:I think you're missing my point. Brunell is a left-handed quarterback, Jason Campbell is a right-handed quarterback. If Samuels were blocking the QB's blind-side... and Freeney had been getting through like he was... JC wouldn't even have seen him most times... certainly not in his first game while he's trying to get a feel for the speed of the pro game.

I'm not arguing Campbell's skillset. But he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head and it'll take a little time for him to develop pro pocket awareness to the point where he 'feels' that rush on a regular basis.

And he could get broken in half before then.

I'm not defending Brunell, I'm not saying I don't agree with a change, I'm saying that 'fixing' the QB situation won't mean jack if the blind-side tackle can't stop the rush end. The quarterback will get smoked.

OR maybe he has great pocket presence....who knows

JC showed good awareness in the preseason but Boss's point is valid.

However, I can't believe we didn't aide Samuels at all. Ive seen better tackles than him have fits with Freeny. We had these issues last year but Gibbs went to max protect formations to nullify it.