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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:For some reason we lack the spark of inspired, smart, emotional play. In my opinion this is our biggest problem, and once this is fixed it will help smooth over most of our other issues.

Leadership?

I think CP is a leader but his ability to do so is limited by his position. The QB is the leader of the offense and Brunells inability to be comfy in the system bogs the rest of the cogs down imo. Im not saying he's weak, old and feeble but that he's not comfy in the system. He WONT be this year.

It takes 2-3 years to get a new offense in stride, thats a fact. We all ignored it and hoped for the best. Reality is here, its going to take a while to gell.

You're probably right on all that, which brings us back to the ever popular QB issue. Assuming this season continues to tank (because there's no way Brunell gets yanked if we're winning), and JC gets to finish the last 5-7 games - what about next year? Will he still be the starter in '07? What if he struggles in preseason? Will Gibbs use the same quick young-QB hook he used on Ramsey in '05? How's all this going to affect the offense's ability to gell? So many questions . . .

Here is the problem. TALENT TRUMPS SCHEME ALL OF THE TIME!!! This team (at least on the defensive side of the ball) lacks in talent. It's clearly "management's" fault for believing you can make the defense work as long as you have knowledgeable players that play within the scheme. The following players suck:

Holdman, Carter, Rogers, Archuleta, Jimoh (has sucked for years) and Brunell.

I'm sure some can ad more. Bottom line.......can't make chicken salad with chicken shiznit.

Here is the problem. TALENT TRUMPS SCHEME ALL OF THE TIME!!! This team (at least on the defensive side of the ball) lacks in talent. It's clearly "management's" fault for believing you can make the defense work as long as you have knowledgeable players that play within the scheme. The following players suck:

Holdman, Carter, Rogers, Archuleta, Jimoh (has sucked for years) and Brunell.

I'm sure some can ad more. Bottom line.......can't make chicken salad with chicken shiznit.

Trying to play in the NFL using a barely-good-enough-as-a-backup QB as a starter?

QBs get paid the big bucks for a reason--they have to provide leadership, keep the offense on the field for AT LEAST half the game, and score points. The Mark Brunells of the world are there to back up real first string QBs.

I know this isn't the Mark Brunell thread but you did ask the question. That's my answer. Leadership and talent at QB is what is needed to bring this bunch of zombies to life IMO.

I think that Gibbs inability to chastize and call out players too is a problem. All we ever hear is how things are handled "in house" while the team and coaches continue to perform in the out house. Brunell was never leader material and who is going to listen to CP, he is too young for the role. In all actuality it should be Marcus Washington or John Jansen but Jansen is too busy being a sports commentator on Comcast, and Marcus is too busy dancing making plays he was brought here and paid VERY WELL to make. This hole team mimics Gibbs, Talent through the roof, but the desire to be a "character guy" Enough of that frivilous talk we need some bad ass to come here and wake all these people up. Too bad we can't get Bill Parcells for about a week! By time he finished calling out these underperforming millionaires this team might amaze itself and us and play to the ability they are SUPPOSED TO HAVE!

I think that Gibbs inability to chastize and call out players too is a problem.

While you call it a problem, others call it class! What makes you think that Gibbs doesn't chastize players behind closed doors? Why would he feed the media with stuff like that?

The content of your post is unbelievable, and astonishing to think that any Redskins fan would say something like you just said? Do you realize how ridiculous the content of your post is?

Bill Parcells coaching a Redskins team? Are you kidding me?

I do not think there are many coaches that I have as little respect for as the present coach of the pukes.

That suggestion is an indication of no knowledge of what is required to get our team to play better. Thinking that these players would play better for any other coach than they presently have is abolutley not worth discussion.

I heard in the XXX Radio, that Gibbs might not come back next year (Rumor). Larry Michael and some other guy were talking about "Karma" being the cause of Skins situation.

Mah

An excellent post regarding what is wrong with the redskins:

The most common defenses in favor of Mark Brunell that I am familiar with are the following:


1) The coaches do not have confidence in Jason Campbell therefore we should not either.

I deny the conclusion. Joe Gibbs' refusal to bench Mark Brunell can be attributed to his historically observable preference for playing veterans and staying loyal to his quarterback. In 2004 Mark Brunell was playing injured and having the worst season of his career. Despite the obvious to all of us in Redskins nation, Gibbs remained loyal to Brunell for 9 games which eventually cost the Redskins a 3-6 start. The Redskins would win as many games in the remainder of the season without Brunell at the helm, largely because our 2004 defense was so dominant. Regardless, 2004 is the perfect example of Joe Gibbs remaining loyal to a player despite clear evidence that it was the wrong decision. We shouldn't view the benching of Campbell as proof of anything other than Gibbs' loyalty to Brunell.

2) Mark Brunell gives us the best chance to win now and abandoning him for Jason Campbell is tantamount to giving up on this season.

This is perhaps the most popular argument but also the most misleading. A clear endorsement of Jason Campbell need not be an abandonment of the season. 2-4 is grim, but hardly impossible to turn around, especially with a win against an undefeated Colts team next week. It would be overly skeptical to throw away the season this early.

But there's also no reason to assume that Jason Campbell starting is equivalent to giving up on the season. The vast majority of throws Mark Brunell has made thus far this season are the kind of throws that a high school QB can make; short dink and dunks on or near the line of scrimmage. None of these throws are ones Jason Campbell is incapable of making, yet there are throws that Campbell can make that Brunell cannot (or has not this year). Campbell introduces a deep threat to this offense that has been lacking at our expense. And by "deep threat" I don't mean Santana Moss catching a 12-15 yard pass and breaking two tackles for an eventual 60 yard TD reception, I mean passes that travel in the air many yards before finding their way into a receiver's hands.

Mark Brunell's mere presence under center limits the offense in ways that are predictable for defensive coordinators. His reads are quick this year and often panicked dumps that are too often checked down to the least productive receiver at or on the line of scrimmage. Intelligent coordinators can dare -- with great effectiveness -- Brunell to beat them deep by stacking the box and keeping all receivers in front of them. This has a suffocating effect on our run game as well as our short passing game which always finds receivers running head first into two or three defenders. Campbell's presence on the field with just his ability to throw the deep ball should go a long way towards keeping opposing defenses honest which will help all the other offensive players on the field.

To sum it up: Mark Brunell has been found out by opposing defenses.

3) Joe Gibbs' decision to keep Mark Brunell last year was vindicated by our post season run and thus we should honor his decision this year.

While I think Joe Gibbs is a marvelous coach and to a certain degree I agree with the above, reasonable observers to last year's success would place most of the success on the running game as well as our dominant defense, which has since escaped us. First I point to the games we clearly lost because of Mark Brunell: Giants the first time around and the Oakland Raiders embarrassment. The common denominator in both games was an inability to complete passes or throw down the field effectively. Against the Raiders Brunell had a pitiful 43.8% completion, zero touchdowns, and under 5 yards an attempt. Against the Giants he was even worse: 39.3% for 1 interception and 2.3 yards per attempt. The Oakland game was easily winnable, we lost 16-13. The Giants game might have been out of reach, but it's impossible to tell given such a horrid QB performance from Brunell.

Perhaps more telling are not the games we lost because of Brunell but the games we won in spite of him, since it is often claimed without evidence that Brunell was somehow responsible for our 10 wins. Cases in point: Chicago, Arizona, and @ Philadelphia. He was essentially a non-factor in Chicago, amassing an unimpressive 70 yards on 14 attempts (5 YPA). The Arizona game was even worse. Brunell had just 122 yards on 28 attempts and 3 interceptions in a barely winning effort. Against Philly he only completed 36% of his passes (25 attempts 9 completions) with an interception.

Even the biggest Brunell cheerleader would have to admit that he didn't lead us to victory in those games. In our 5 game win streak that would ultimately lead us to the post season, our stout defense held opponents to under 14 points a game. I would argue that our defense had much more to do with our post season than our quarterback last year.

Brunell's performance in the playoffs would support this assesment. We beat Tampa Bay in spite of his record setting 41 yards passing in a winning effort (with an interception). He barely managed a game against Tampa, but as soon as the defense failed to show up the following weak there wasn't anything Brunell could do about it and the Redskins went home.

4) Mark Brunell is a better decision maker and manages a game more effectively than a rookie QB could.

I'm not yet ready to unquestionably accept the "fact" that Brunell is a better decision maker than Campbell particularly since his decision making is one of the things I question. His frequent checkdowns, especially on third down, to receivers that are either not open or cannot possibly get to the first down are ending drives in the same way a costly interception would. Furthermore when he's been asked to win a game on his own, against Tennessee for instance, he throws the game ending interception. His 3 interceptions on 5 touchdowns isn't especially intimdating given that he has a tendency to wear down over the course of the season. He probably will not match the 23-10 touchdown to interception ratio he had last year.

Jason Campbell has a history of protecting the football in College and I believe is perfectly capable of "managing" a game when asked to do so. His ability to throw deep will keep defenses more honest, perhaps bolstering our run game slightly. Also, particularly on third downs, his ability to scramble and move about with the ball --and throw on the run-- are invaluable at maintaining drives. In my opinion, he can do everything Brunell can do and more.

Yet even if we accept the "fact" that Brunell is a better decision maker than our young QB, we can still reach the conclusion that the team is better off with a more talented QB who makes slightly worse decisions. A Game-Manager is a serviceable quarterback when you have a strong defense. The Redskins have consistently played poorly on that side of the ball throughout this season, and the return of Shawn Springs doesn't appear to have solved that. We cannot stop the run, which means opposing offenses can eat up clock and force us to beat them as opposed to the other way around. We give up huge plays in the passing game enabling opposing teams to grab a lead early on and, again, force us to actually beat them as opposed to waiting for the clock to run down.

Sacrificing a legitimate deep threat QB because he might make costly decisions so that we can retain an aging, increasingly immobile, check down dink-and-dump QB who might be a better decision maker is the worst kind of Faustian bargain. We've sacrificed costly mistakes for an inability to move the ball effectively. Combined with our currently lackluster defense, this strategy makes for an easily predictable failure. With all of that in mind, I think it is time for us to abandon our current game strategy of signing game managing quarterbacks. We need to devote ourselves towards finding out if Jason Campbell is the future of this team. The sooner we can establish whether or not he has what it takes the better: if he isn't then we can move in a different direction rather than suffering another losing season needlessly, if he is then he will enable us to win now and perhaps carry us towards a playoff berth this season.

Riadskinz wrote:I heard in the XXX Radio, that Gibbs might not come back next year (Rumor). Larry Michael and some other guy were talking about "Karma" being the cause of Skins situation.

Mah

Yeah I can see that, you don't crap on the heart and sole of the team (LaVar) and not expect your comeuppance. I also don't want to hear about he was a me player and all that crap, LaVar hurt or not was the heart and sole period. Gibbs even admitted that he messed up letting the LaVar thing escalate into what it became. Gibbs should step down, as great as HE ONCE WAS, he is only a shell of what HE USED TO BE.

Good guys aren't needed as head coaches someone that can motivate you are. Gibbs believing in the good of all men are great traits, however they aren't showing a winning percentage on the playing field and to me I would rather have a Bill Parcells type that produces results rather than a lovable grandfather type figure on the sidelines of my Redskins!

Lavar the heart and soul of the team? I think not. Lavar was just a very flashy pair of gloves, not the heart of the team at all.

The contention that Gibbs does not chastise players is irrelevant. Firstly, just because he doesn't do it in public, doesn't mean he doesn't do it in private. Secondly, with Gregg Williams, Greg Blache, Dale Lindsay and Joe Bugel on his staff, I don't think this team will ever lack for chastisement.

Well the great thing about this board and forum is getting the views of many. I really think LaVar was the heart and soul of this team, atleast he once was. Since you are in England I don't know if you have ever been to a training camp here, well I have gone every year and even last year LaVar was the fan favorite. Being a season ticket holder I also notice the amount of #56 jerseys still on hand every home game. I may be wrong in many of my assessments however that is how I feel. I think Joe Gibbs has fell into a Snyder trap and he is trying to run this team as Snyder would like, Snyder doesn't understand this is a team not a Dot Com and as such it takes time to build chemistry. He buys big name players like they are hot and up and coming executives, and I think for some reason Gibbs is trying to run the skins as he ran his racing team, it isn't going to work. I also think that the front office duties Gibbs hold is further handicapping his once great ability to make adjustments at half time. When Joe was able to be a head coach he was great, however now as CEO he is spread too thin and it is showing as a bad team that looks great on paper but doesn't have the chemistry it takes to get to the Super Bowl. He needs to decide does he want to be a head coach or a front office executive because he can't do both and it is evident.

I remember the good wrote:An excellent post regarding what is wrong with the redskins:



Yet even if we accept the "fact" that Brunell is a better decision maker than our young QB, we can still reach the conclusion that the team is better off with a more talented QB who makes slightly worse decisions. A Game-Manager is a serviceable quarterback when you have a strong defense. The Redskins have consistently played poorly on that side of the ball throughout this season, and the return of Shawn Springs doesn't appear to have solved that. We cannot stop the run, which means opposing offenses can eat up clock and force us to beat them as opposed to the other way around. We give up huge plays in the passing game enabling opposing teams to grab a lead early on and, again, force us to actually beat them as opposed to waiting for the clock to run down.

Sacrificing a legitimate deep threat QB because he might make costly decisions so that we can retain an aging, increasingly immobile, check down dink-and-dump QB who might be a better decision maker is the worst kind of Faustian bargain. We've sacrificed costly mistakes for an inability to move the ball effectively. Combined with our currently lackluster defense, this strategy makes for an easily predictable failure. With all of that in mind, I think it is time for us to abandon our current game strategy of signing game managing quarterbacks. We need to devote ourselves towards finding out if Jason Campbell is the future of this team. The sooner we can establish whether or not he has what it takes the better: if he isn't then we can move in a different direction rather than suffering another losing season needlessly, if he is then he will enable us to win now and perhaps carry us towards a playoff berth this season.

That indeed is an excellent post "I remember the good"!

Nothing that I disagree with and all valid viewpoints that reinforce the reality.

Brunell is done, everyone knows this except Joe Gibbs.

Also, and I have said this for years, Dan Snyder is possibly the worst owner in the NFL. He plays with this team as though it is his personal Fantasy Football squad. He and Gibbs are so far apart as men that I have a hard time believing Joe is running the show without interference. Unless Snyder stops meddling with the team we will NEVER be in contention for the championship. It takes a hell of a lot more than talent to win it all, as Gibbs proved in his first tenure with J.K. Cooke.

So to answer the subjsct of this thread I have two words: DAN SNYDER

I remember the good wrote:Well the great thing about this board and forum is getting the views of many. I really think LaVar was the heart and soul of this team, atleast he once was. Since you are in England I don't know if you have ever been to a training camp here, well I have gone every year and even last year LaVar was the fan favorite. Being a season ticket holder I also notice the amount of #56 jerseys still on hand every home game. I may be wrong in many of my assessments however that is how I feel. I think Joe Gibbs has fell into a Snyder trap and he is trying to run this team as Snyder would like, Snyder doesn't understand this is a team not a Dot Com and as such it takes time to build chemistry. He buys big name players like they are hot and up and coming executives, and I think for some reason Gibbs is trying to run the skins as he ran his racing team, it isn't going to work. I also think that the front office duties Gibbs hold is further handicapping his once great ability to make adjustments at half time. When Joe was able to be a head coach he was great, however now as CEO he is spread too thin and it is showing as a bad team that looks great on paper but doesn't have the chemistry it takes to get to the Super Bowl. He needs to decide does he want to be a head coach or a front office executive because he can't do both and it is evident.

Actually, you raise an interesting point here. Some would suggest that the head coach is the problem (I'd refute that utterly). Then again, perhaps the problem is the lack of a head coach? Sometimes, a slight shift in the balance of a coaching staff can have disproportionate effects. It may be that this team actually isn't getting enough Joe Gibbs now. He may well be spread too thin, and is unable to affect proceedings as he has in the past. We now have a defence that is playing for Gregg Williams, and an offence that is playing for Al Saunders. Maybe Joe Gibbs is not in a position to draw the two parts together into one coherent unit.

I doubt that this is the case, given that Gibbs is such a masterful manager of people, but it is food for thought.

nuskins wrote:

I remember the good wrote:An excellent post regarding what is wrong with the redskins:



Yet even if we accept the "fact" that Brunell is a better decision maker than our young QB, we can still reach the conclusion that the team is better off with a more talented QB who makes slightly worse decisions. A Game-Manager is a serviceable quarterback when you have a strong defense. The Redskins have consistently played poorly on that side of the ball throughout this season, and the return of Shawn Springs doesn't appear to have solved that. We cannot stop the run, which means opposing offenses can eat up clock and force us to beat them as opposed to the other way around. We give up huge plays in the passing game enabling opposing teams to grab a lead early on and, again, force us to actually beat them as opposed to waiting for the clock to run down.

Sacrificing a legitimate deep threat QB because he might make costly decisions so that we can retain an aging, increasingly immobile, check down dink-and-dump QB who might be a better decision maker is the worst kind of Faustian bargain. We've sacrificed costly mistakes for an inability to move the ball effectively. Combined with our currently lackluster defense, this strategy makes for an easily predictable failure. With all of that in mind, I think it is time for us to abandon our current game strategy of signing game managing quarterbacks. We need to devote ourselves towards finding out if Jason Campbell is the future of this team. The sooner we can establish whether or not he has what it takes the better: if he isn't then we can move in a different direction rather than suffering another losing season needlessly, if he is then he will enable us to win now and perhaps carry us towards a playoff berth this season.

That indeed is an excellent post "I remember the good"!

Nothing that I disagree with and all valid viewpoints that reinforce the reality.

Brunell is done, everyone knows this except Joe Gibbs.

Also, and I have said this for years, Dan Snyder is possibly the worst owner in the NFL. He plays with this team as though it is his personal Fantasy Football squad. He and Gibbs are so far apart as men that I have a hard time believing Joe is running the show without interference. Unless Snyder stops meddling with the team we will NEVER be in contention for the championship. It takes a hell of a lot more than talent to win it all, as Gibbs proved in his first tenure with J.K. Cooke.

So to answer the subjsct of this thread I have two words: DAN SNYDER

Yeah I agree and there is no way I believe that Gibbs wanted Carter and Archuleta. There is no way Gibbs would want ARE and make a contract that basically pays him 1 million a catch. All of the actions mimic nothing but Snyder,and the TJ deal, I do think Gibbs did that because he fits the mold of a true Gibbs back like Riggins. However with Al Saunders being the offensive coordinator and asst head coach that trade was ridiculous because I don't think Danny allows Joe to call the plays. Danny Boy Wonder saw the Chiefs as a high flying offense to match his great Williams led Defense and thought this would surely work. Well it didn't and even though it didn't Danny and I say Gibbs are laughing all the way to the bank! So as much as it pains me to see the destruction of a once proud great coach, I also see Snyder as nothing but a money hungry anti christ that has done nothing but decrease the pride and character this franchise once had for instant profitability and it pains me everytime I drive out to Fedex to see a hobbled QB play and lose the game because he can't do it and Joe Gibbs being too arrogant to do what is required as head coach and president of football operations but rather continue to stick with his brother in christ, I am a christian but I don't see God or Jesus using heavenly intervention come sunday I see a 1 legged QB that continues to make poor throws and is DIRECTLY guilty of making this offense go 3 and out FAR TOO MANY TIMES. IMHO!

Any proof to all this speculation that Danny is still making all the personnel decisions on this team? Gibbs has said numerous times he recruited Saunders himself, and he's involved in every personnel decision. For all intents and purposes, Danny has stepped back into the JKC mold - he just signs the checks and hosts the celebrities in the owner's box. For better or worse, this is Gibbs' team now.

I can't believe you all are missing it.......This team lacks TALENT!!!!!

What I remember from a while back is the defense coming alive with the benching of Holdman and the installation of LaVar. We were all screaming for it to happen as a solution to all those big plays that were killing us; and sure enough, it was.
Curiously, Williams deducted from that that LaVar had to go.

I also remember Ramsey subbing for Brunell in a key game against the Giants and coming in with the clutch win and a 180 rating. Gibbs' response to that was to start a pathetic, injured Brunell against Seattle and throw away our chance at the SB when it was clear Brunell wasn't going to do dip. After that, as we know, Gibbs got rid of Ramsey without a decent excuse.

Now, as I predicted, we're stuck with a QB who's done and another one who's probably not readyl The result: we're obviously headed for the toilet.

The coaches and personnel mistakes, from the loss of Pierce and the acquistion of Carter, have been beyond belief.

And it won't get better as long as Williams and Gibbs stay in denial. The trouble is, they've thrown away too much to admit to themselves the dimensions of the goofs,

UK Skins Fan wrote:Lavar the heart and soul of the team? I think not. Lavar was just a very flashy pair of gloves, not the heart of the team at all.

The contention that Gibbs does not chastise players is irrelevant. Firstly, just because he doesn't do it in public, doesn't mean he doesn't do it in private. Secondly, with Gregg Williams, Greg Blache, Dale Lindsay and Joe Bugel on his staff, I don't think this team will ever lack for chastisement.

Well, the private chastise-ment doesn't seem to be working either, now what???? As far as the coaching staff and other things with this team, here's what I think:

1. Joe Gibbs 2.0 has not successfully made the adjustment to the modern NFL. From personnel decisions down to motivating players. Things are not like it was Joe Gibbs 1.0. You don't have players staying with one team for as long as they did back then. You have a salary cap and bidding wars taking place. His ol' skool stubborness has gotten the best of him with the QB situation. Also, he has seemed to have lost his best atttribute he had in his first go around and that's his ability to make adjustments. That is gone. A caller into SportsTalk here in DC made a great point about Joe Gibbs in that he doesn't appear to have the passion for this that he had before and that his passion for Nascar is stronger.

2. Everyone is there own corporation and as time has progressed so have values and personal stance. Gone are the days of the "screamers" and hard-azz coaches and systems. Today's athletes are more pampered and spoiled than ever. They are coddled and never told "NO" from the time that they are recognized as "special" in middle school all the way to the Pros. So motivating them is 10X harder now than it was back then.

3. Money, money, money. Money has taken place of glory and winning championships. Case in point, Tiki Barber. Apparently, he has done right by his money and has set himself up to maintain his wealth beyond football now so his desire to win a ring is not there because he is talking retirement at the end of the season. Another case in point: what has anybody that has come here for the money since Snyder took over really done once they got here????? Guys were Pro Bowlers the year before they came here and then once they got the "big bucks" from Snyder, they have not been back since.

4. Too many cooks in the kitchen and their inability to simplify their recipe for success. This coaching staff has so many coaches that it appears that they are twisting themselves up. In addition, they are failing miserably at reaching and motivating these players.

You bring in Al Saunders an offensive wiz but you don't let him pick who runs his offense. You hand him the keys to a broken down car that he admits has never gotten a good look at and who they have to stay away from some things in his offense. You give up so much for a Rookie QB-Jason Campbell that you say is the "future" but yet you don't play him and you are just like your pre-season, very vanilla in giving your explanation why. If you are paying a guy head coach money to run your offense and he can't simplify that offense enough to play Jason Campbell and put him in a position to succeed, then you wasted your money. Other teams are playing their young QBs and developing game plans to help them along in their learning as they play each week. Why not put the ball in Portis' hands 25-30 times a game and let this kid complete the simple passes that High School kids can make. This guys is good enough to even be on an NFL roster then he should be good enough to play.

5. Arrogance on Defense. Gregg Williams got so full of himself and his "scheme" that he felt that it was a "plug and play" defense that would be successful with anybody playing it as long as they did their assignments. Well it hasn'st worked out that way this year has it? The Shawn Springs excuse is a lame one because this team is not the only team to have lost their star CB and continue to move forward. You have other CBs that were good enough to make this roster, then they should be good enough to play in your "scheme". Maybe the 'scheme' is too complicated for these guys to go out and function in it and also make fundamental plays such as tackling. You have coaches on the defense that are so worried about taking shots at Lavar than getting their players to play. Joe Salave'a came on sports talk radio this past week and said that they are given alot of information on defense each week. Is it too much information and does all of this information overload these guys on Sunday. Everybody on the defense keeps saying that they had a great week of practice but then can't transfer it over to the game. Is it the coaching, the players, what????

6. Personnel. Right now, Charlie Casserly, Bobby Bethard, and Ron Wolf are just chillin'. Real personnel guys. Hell, Ron Wolf lives 25 miles east of FedEx Field in Annapolis. None of these guys wanted to come back and work with Gibbs on his second go around??? Casserly was unavailable because he was with the Texans but he's free now. There is a serious need for a personnel expert here it's ridiculous. The moves that this team has made the last two-three years are just 'amatuerist'. Letting "core guys" go like Pierce, Clark, and Smoot only to bring in someone else's trash like Archuleta, who only came here because we threw so much money at him, and Carter, who had success for a horrible team mainly in garbage time. T.J. Duckett whom we gave up a third round pick for will walk at the end of the season and we are stuck with nothing. By the way, he's been pretty much inactive since he's been here.


This is going to end badly for this team this year and the one thing that worried Ms. Joe Gibbs was that he would tarnish his name. Well he is well on his way with that as long as he continues to be stubborn about the QB position and shows his inability to make adjustments.

HitDoctor wrote:I can't believe you all are missing it.......This team lacks TALENT!!!!!

Can you imagine a team with so little talent......Moss, Portis, ey, Randle EL, B Lloyd, S Taylor, S Springs, C Samuels, R Thomas, J Jansen, Sellers,C Griffin, P Daniels, M wahington, Gibbs (3 SB), A Saunders (1 ring) ......

How could this team even be competitive!